The All Elite Wrestling Discussion Thread

[TheGhost]

If Jericho does win, don't look for him to hold the belt very long. They might just put it on him for name value to get eyeballs.

 

I firmly believe Hangman is going to be their "Ace" and will be their champion before the end of the year if Jericho wins on Saturday.

[Jaysin]

AEW announced SCU vs Luchasaurus, Jungle Boy, and Marko Stunt for All Out. Can't stand Marko, but looking forward to the match nonetheless.

[RingRider]

<p>Dumb question... But how will All Out be available? I'm a cord cutter so traditional PPV on a cable box is out. The Fite App says not available in my area (US)...</p><p> </p><p>

Additionally, as much as I'm curious about the show, I'm not sure I being myself to pony up cash after being spoiled by WWE Network and NJPW World...</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RingRider" data-cite="RingRider" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dumb question... But how will All Out be available? I'm a cord cutter so traditional PPV on a cable box is out. The Fite App says not available in my area (US)...<p> </p><p> Additionally, as much as I'm curious about the show, I'm not sure I being myself to pony up cash after being spoiled by WWE Network and NJPW World...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As with previous events, BR Live</p><p> </p><p> <a href="https://live.bleacherreport.com/wrestling/all-elite-wrestling/events/aew-all-out/66485" rel="external nofollow">https://live.bleacherreport.com/wrestling/all-elite-wrestling/events/aew-all-out/66485</a></p>

[RingRider]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As with previous events, BR Live<p> </p><p> <a href="https://live.bleacherreport.com/wrestling/all-elite-wrestling/events/aew-all-out/66485" rel="external nofollow">https://live.bleacherreport.com/wrestling/all-elite-wrestling/events/aew-all-out/66485</a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks for sharing this. Does it cost 50$ or can you watch it with the monthly subscription?</p>

[Jaysin]

I believe you need to pay the $50

[milamber]

<p>Latest BTE:

</p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/o_j-Yccl3d8?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="“What Time Is It In London?” - Being The Elite Ep. 167"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p>

That Omega promo makes me more excited about the Mox feud when it happens.</p><p> </p><p>

Jericho might not be the popular choice for first Champion but he's the smartest choice. He's the most well-known and experienced guy on the roster who's a heel. Having guys like Omega, Mox and Cody chasing him is money. If you put the strap on your best wrestler (Omega) right away before you've had a chance to build enough credible heels it's downhill from there and Jericho would probably beat him 6 months down the track anyway.</p>

[milamber]

<p>- Chris Jericho vs. Hangman Adam Page (AEW World Championship)</p><p>

- The Lucha Bros vs. The Young Bucks (Ladder Match for the AAA World Tag TeamChampionships)</p><p>

- Kenny Omega vs. PAC</p><p>

- Cody (with TBA) vs. Shawn Spears (with Tully Blanchard)</p><p>

- Riho vs. Hikaru Shida (#1 Contender Semi-Final for the AEW Women's Championship)</p><p>

- Darby Allin vs. Jimmy Havoc vs. Joey Janela (Cracker Barrel Clash)</p><p>

- Best Friends vs. The Dark Order (Winner gets a bye in the AEW Tag Team Championship Tournament)</p><p>

- Luchasaurus, Jungle Boy and Marko Stunt vs. SCU</p><p>

- 21-woman Casino Battle Royale (#1 Contender Semi-Final for the AEW Women's Championship)</p><p>

- Private Party vs. Angelico and Jack Evans</p><p> </p><p>

4 PM PT (August 31)</p><p>

6 PM CT (August 31)</p><p>

7 PM ET (August 31)</p><p>

12 AM BST (September 1)</p><p>

9 AM AEST (September 1)</p>

[Jaysin]

Looking forward to All Out, but ten matches is entirely too many

[RingRider]

Cody's second has to be Magnum.

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Looking forward to All Out, but ten matches is entirely too many</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not if two or three are in the Buy in preshow. That leaves 8 or 7 on the main card which is normal for this big a show.</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not if two or three are in the Buy in preshow. That leaves 8 or 7 on the main card which is normal for this big a show.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Four hour shows are too long regardless.</p>

[BHK1978]

<p>I wonder how well their buy-rate will end up being. Fifty dollars a pop seems like an obscene amount of money for their PPV. Especially when the industry leader only charges $9.99.</p><p> </p><p>

I have a very blah feeling about AEW. I like Cody, MJF, SCU, Dustin, Jimmy Havoc, Awesome Kong and Jericho. But I cannot stand the Bucks and Omega. Some of the lower card talent have terrible gimmicks and really make the promotion come across as hokey to me.</p><p> </p><p>

I thought this promotion was supposed to be more "realistic" but you have someone like Orange Cassidy involved and it throws the whole "realistic" narrative out the window. </p><p> </p><p>

Don't get me wrong I would like to see it succeed even with Omega and the Bucks being part of it. For right now I think I will stick with MLW as my alternative to the WWE (I would say TNA or ROH but both of their rosters have been vastly depleted to the point where I cannot even watch their shows anymore.). MLW almost never disappoints and they pack a lot of show into forty-five minutes worth of content.</p>

[TheGhost]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Four hour shows are too long regardless.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I second this!. This is the 3rd time now I have had to wake up the next morning and finish the show. </p><p> </p><p> Four hours is too much, including the buy in pre show thats five hours.</p><p> </p><p> They need to really get a handle on timing and realize that their lower card hardcore guys dont need an almost 20 minute match. </p><p> </p><p> Darby/Havoc/Janella should have gotten 10 mins. tops.</p><p> </p><p> Hopefully they realize that only the big marquee matches need to go over 15 minutes. </p><p> </p><p> With that said, it was a solid show, and I've already seen people shitting on Jericho as champion. </p><p> </p><p> People don't realize that Jericho was the best option right now heading into weekly TV. People know who Jericho is, not everyone knows who Hangman is, if Hangman showed up on the first episode of AEW with the belt no one would care, Jericho is the one that will catch the eyeballs of old wrestling fans who haven't watched in a while.</p>

[SirMichaelJordan]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheGhost" data-cite="TheGhost" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I second this!. This is the 3rd time now I have had to wake up the next morning and finish the show. <p> </p><p> Four hours is too much, including the buy in pre show thats five hours.</p><p> </p><p> They need to really get a handle on timing and realize that their lower card hardcore guys dont need an almost 20 minute match. </p><p> </p><p> Darby/Havoc/Janella should have gotten 10 mins. tops.</p><p> </p><p> Hopefully they realize that only the big marquee matches need to go over 15 minutes. </p><p> </p><p> With that said, it was a solid show, and I've already seen people shitting on Jericho as champion. </p><p> </p><p> People don't realize that Jericho was the best option right now heading into weekly TV. People know who Jericho is, not everyone knows who Hangman is, if Hangman showed up on the first episode of AEW with the belt no one would care, Jericho is the one that will catch the eyeballs of old wrestling fans who haven't watched in a while.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> That’s the funny part in this thing is AEW wants to be anti WWE so bad but ultimately is doing exactly what WWE would have done. AEW dropped the ball on building hangman up leading to this match. Jericho was supposed to put this new face over. Sadly, no one will care about Jericho as champ either...They should have just put the belt on Omega if the intention wasn’t to make a new face of wrestling.</p><p> </p><p> As much as I like Jericho, he’s not going to get people to tune in no more than Hangman would have. I wouldn’t even be mad if Cody was champ. Instead we get a old “out of shape part timer”</p>

[cappyboy]

That’s the funny part in this thing is AEW wants to be anti WWE so bad but ultimately is doing exactly what WWE would have done. AEW dropped the ball on building hangman up leading to this match. Jericho was supposed to put this new face over. Sadly, no one will care about Jericho as champ either...They should have just put the belt on Omega if the intention wasn’t to make a new face of wrestling.

 

As much as I like Jericho, he’s not going to get people to tune in no more than Hangman would have. I wouldn’t even be mad if Cody was champ. Instead we get a old “out of shape part timer”

 

Gotta disagree here. The problem is you're thinking like someone whose been there since Day 1 and that's fine. But when TV comes in October, the company's gonna starting picking up people who currently have no idea there even is such a thing as an AEW. Who will have just learned there is a company with the debut of TV and the word of mouth of those fans will be critical to the company's outlook. Unless they watch RoH, most of those folks won't know Adam Page. They may very well not know Kenny Omega. They know Chris Jericho and whether they'd hold the "out of shape part timer" thing against him out not is a toss-up. Up to now, AEW's essentially been preaching to the choir and there's nothing wrong with that. Gotta build the foundation after all. However, the choir alone will not determine their future in a positive way. It's the fans who discover AEW over the course of the year's last quarter that will do that. So be careful with the pronouncements. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and a lot of future AEW fans have yet to have their first taste.

[TheGhost]

That’s the funny part in this thing is AEW wants to be anti WWE so bad but ultimately is doing exactly what WWE would have done. AEW dropped the ball on building hangman up leading to this match. Jericho was supposed to put this new face over. Sadly, no one will care about Jericho as champ either...They should have just put the belt on Omega if the intention wasn’t to make a new face of wrestling.

 

As much as I like Jericho, he’s not going to get people to tune in no more than Hangman would have. I wouldn’t even be mad if Cody was champ. Instead we get a old “out of shape part timer”

 

If AEW was already established I would agree with you, BUT, you are looking at this too much from a hardcore fans point of view. AEW already has us, we've been along for the ride since all in last year.

 

Even if you don't like Jericho, he will bring fans in because he is a name, people know who he is.

 

Nobody knows who the hell Kenny Omega or Hangman Page is unless you are a hardcore fan, which I've already stated AEW has.

 

You have to look at this from a business perspective and realize that an older wrestling fan who more than likely doesn't spend hours online looking up different promotions when flipping through the channels on October 2nd sees Chris Jericho holding a title that's not a WWE one, they will probably stop and see what's going on because of name value.

 

At the end of the day this is a business, and they have advertisers and sponsors to attract on a major cable network, and you do that by having guys with name value or well known faces.

 

Trust me AEW will soon have guys like Omega and Hangman in their World Championship ranks, and a lot of the focus will shift to the younger talents, you need established names in the forefront to get people familiar with the up and comers.

 

Jericho wont be champion for long like I stated before, it's just a launching point to get the wheels turning.

 

So just relax, AEW needs to learn to crawl before they can walk.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Problem is Jericho don’t have that much name value in a world where there aren’t any wrestling stars...He haven’t been in the title picture for WWE in a long time. No one is looking for Chris other than hardcore fans.

 

I feel like the lack luster PPV, failure to convince CM Punk to come play and more of the status quo stopped some of the AEW excitement going into the TV show for October...

 

In TEW terms, the show grade would be ok but didn’t gain any new fans or popularity.

[Jaysin]

If you don’t understand why putting the belt on the biggest name is the best bet, that’s your problem.

[cappyboy]

If AEW was already established I would agree with you, BUT, you are looking at this too much from a hardcore fans point of view. AEW already has us, we've been along for the ride since all in last year.

 

Even if you don't like Jericho, he will bring fans in because he is a name, people know who he is.

 

Nobody knows who the hell Kenny Omega or Hangman Page is unless you are a hardcore fan, which I've already stated AEW has.

 

You have to look at this from a business perspective and realize that an older wrestling fan who more than likely doesn't spend hours online looking up different promotions when flipping through the channels on October 2nd sees Chris Jericho holding a title that's not a WWE one, they will probably stop and see what's going on because of name value.

 

At the end of the day this is a business, and they have advertisers and sponsors to attract on a major cable network, and you do that by having guys with name value or well known faces.

 

Trust me AEW will soon have guys like Omega and Hangman in their World Championship ranks, and a lot of the focus will shift to the younger talents, you need established names in the forefront to get people familiar with the up and comers.

 

Jericho wont be champion for long like I stated before, it's just a launching point to get the wheels turning.

 

So just relax, AEW needs to learn to crawl before they can walk.

 

Exactly. The foundation has been laid with their hardcore base. Now we're getting to the point where it needs to be laid with the folks who will build upon that foundation. Guys like Page and Omega will get their chance. But before that can happen, the belt has to have some prestige. It has to have guys who have names to have fought over it so that when a Page or Omega takes it, their victory is more impressive. AEW's not about "oh let's put the belt on this guy because he needs it." They want to be above such garbage thinking. They want to be more sport like and have their champion be seen as the best at that moment in time. To have that, it has to be the title Jericho held, that Rhodes held, that insert brand name here held to start off with. Then once that prestige has been established, the guys whose names have been getting built can take over. The Pages and the Omegas and guys we hardcore fans already love but the greater audience has to learn.

 

Heck, I'd rather see the Hangman win AEW's answer to the U.S. or Intercontinental title before he gets to World anyway. Build up his resume more with some accolades that are more visible to the TV fan than what he's had so far. That way when he gets to World, hopefully early in the upcoming decade, it will be harder to dispute.

[SirMichaelJordan]

If you don’t understand why putting the belt on the biggest name is the best bet, that’s your problem.

 

I thought Cody and Omega were the best names? Sure seem that way last year according to the inter webs...

[guyver3]

I thought Cody and Omega were the best names? Sure seem that way last year according to the inter webs...

 

Let’s put it in TEW terms Jericho is at least a B- in popularity maybe even closer to B but still. Cody would be about a solid C and Omega, The Bucks, Page are all D. Maybe D+ for the Bucks but that’s it because they’re pretty much unknowns past the IWC. Last year Jericho wasn’t even a real part of the All In he just did a run in he wasn’t advertised so even a year ago he was head shoulders knees and toes above 90% of the roster.

[cappyboy]

I thought Cody and Omega were the best names? Sure seem that way last year according to the inter webs...

 

And that's part of the problem. Using the Internet as a measuring stick for the greater wrestling world is a terrible idea. Think about the fan who avoids the sheets. Maybe the fan who's set wrestling aside for the last couple years or so because their TV options were so bad and may look in on this new company "that's sprung up out of nowhere." Those folks sure as heck don't know Kenny Omega. Cody they know. Jericho they know. Maybe Daniels and Kazarian from their Bad Influence days in TNA. But they likely don't know Adam Page. They may look at The Young Bucks and wonder why Max and Jeremy of Generation Me are calling themselves Nick and Matt Jackson now. They may see PAC and be confused why Neville's referring to himself like he's Sean Waltman. I have family in Maryland whose collective minds will likely be blown when they make that last discovery so I'm not just talking out my butt here.

[milamber]

Loved the show. Casino Battle Royale rules and camerawork sucked and Dark Order are hard to take seriously. They need to go full Lucha Underground and reveal Mil Muertes or Killer Kross as their leader.

 

Women's Battle Royale - 3 stars

Private Party vs Angelico & Evans - 3.75 stars

SCU vs Jurassic Express - 4 stars

Omega vs PAC - 4.75 stars

Darby vs Havoc vs Janela - 4.75 stars

Dark Order vs Best Friends - 3.5 stars

Shida vs Riho - 4.5 stars

Spears vs Cody - 3.75 stars

Lucha Bros vs Young Bucks - 4.75 stars

Page vs Jericho - 4 stars

[Jaysin]

Jericho might be the greatest of all time