TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 This is the first time about 800k viewers have ever seen them. What have they seen? They're bellow Jack Swagger and Sammy Guevara on the totem pole and then they get beat in the first round by a pair of jaborini joes? What do those 800k viewers say? "Oh, I thought these guys were good, guess not can't even win in their own company." *Channel Flip* This is compounded by the fact that this company values wins and losses. There's not wanting to pull a Hogan, and then theres jobbing Hogan to Billy Kidman to set up the Horace feud, brother. That doesn’t make sense. Casual fans have no idea the Young Bucks have executive roles in the company, they aren’t advertised heavily nor is the Elite as a stable in general. Secondly I don’t believe anyone ever “buries” themselves on a TV match unless something particularly egregious occurs. Also AFAIK the Bucks still have a really good overall record and probably will still that way. Darby/Havoc was a pretty good match, but I really think PAC has a point. With them making so much of a big deal over how "WINS AND LOSSES MATTER!" and going to the trouble of displaying everyone's win/loss records, why the these 2 guys getting a title shot opportunity out of nowhere? Cody getting a title shot kind of works since he won both his big singles matches on the major PPVs, but Darby despite his impressive debut doesn't have any broadcasted singles win yet before this match. And Havoc had only one win out of the last 4 events. I can understand them not wanting to put PAC in the title picture yet, but when you remind the audience about how important wins and losses are every episode you should at least have a good kayfabe reason on why the undefeated guy doesn't automatically get a title opportunity. Especially when the company is supposedly run by the "good guys" who aren't playing favourites and holding people down. Pretty sure in terms of kayfabe it’s supposed to be a tune up match for Jericho and that’s why PAC wasn’t chosen based on win loss record. They are already advertising a match with Cody at Full Gear so you sort of get the idea here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylocke Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 That doesn’t make sense. Casual fans have no idea the Young Bucks have executive roles in the company, they aren’t advertised heavily nor is the Elite as a stable in general. Secondly I don’t believe anyone ever “buries” themselves on a TV match unless something particularly egregious occurs. Also AFAIK the Bucks still have a really good overall record and probably will still that way. Pretty sure in terms of kayfabe it’s supposed to be a tune up match for Jericho and that’s why PAC wasn’t chosen based on win loss record. They are already advertising a match with Cody at Full Gear so you sort of get the idea here. There's still no justification of why a 'tune up match' should require the champion to put his title on the line. Realistically we understand that there's virtually no risk of Jericho losing the title before Full Gear, but in kayfabe there's still no good reason why Darby or Havoc deserves an opportunity to win the title before Cody. There's no good reason to book that title match before Full Gear other than the very non-kayfabe reason of looking to boost ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 The same reason “mandatory challengers” have existed in boxing for generations. In boxing, since again we are using the pseudo sport comparison, the champ would always defend his title when having a fight even if it was against some bum no one ever heard of. In fact WWE’s own Tyson Fury just got done fighting some no bane in the leaduo to his second fight with Deontay Wilder, the only difference is that boxers, although extremely unlikely due to skill difference, can technically actually lose these fights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swanton825 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's still no justification of why a 'tune up match' should require the champion to put his title on the line. Realistically we understand that there's virtually no risk of Jericho losing the title before Full Gear, but in kayfabe there's still no good reason why Darby or Havoc deserves an opportunity to win the title before Cody. There's no good reason to book that title match before Full Gear other than the very non-kayfabe reason of looking to boost ratings.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I mean, Buster Douglas' upset of Mike Tyson was supposed to be a tune-up match for Tyson's "real" defense against Evander Holyfield. Douglas wasn't even ranked in the top 5, but he still got the shot. So it does happen in combat sports.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 Young Bucks will be just fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 <p>I'm OK with The Bucks and Kenny making other guys look good this early in the company's history. They are talented enough and have enough name value that they can be booked as stars pretty easy at any time. It would have sucked to have The Elite and friends dominate while the rest of the roster trade wins WWE style. Same goes for Nyla. I would have hated for her to steamroll the entire division right off the bat. Instead they used her to put over Riho and building up a monster heel is one of the easiest things to do in wrestling so Nyla will be fine. WWE can afford to focus on a few select talent (mostly Brock, Seth and Becky right now) while Vince rolls around in cash. AEW have to build up the entire roster for the future.</p><p> </p><p> Darby promo for the Jericho match: </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/J87RR19PUfw?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="You need to be humbled Chris Jericho - Darby Allin on his AEW World Championship match"></iframe></div></div> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm OK with The Bucks and Kenny making other guys look good this early in the company's history. They are talented enough and have enough name value that they can be booked as stars pretty easy at any time. It would have sucked to have The Elite and friends dominate while the rest of the roster trade wins WWE style. Same goes for Nyla. I would have hated for her to steamroll the entire division right off the bat. Instead they used her to put over Riho and building up a monster heel is one of the easiest things to do in wrestling so Nyla will be fine. WWE can afford to focus on a few select talent (mostly Brock, Seth and Becky right now) while Vince rolls around in cash. AEW have to build up the entire roster for the future.<p> </p><p> Darby promo for the Jericho match: </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/J87RR19PUfw?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="You need to be humbled Chris Jericho - Darby Allin on his AEW World Championship match"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> People act like there's no nuance to this. That it's somehow good for them to lose every match because it shows they're a team player. The option isn't Hogan, WWE Booking, or Team Player. Losses for top guys are a currency. They get less and less valuable the more and more you hand them out. And they haven't really established a top guy yet besides Chris. </p><p> </p><p> And when the casual audience doesn't know who the hell you are yet, you can't be losing to The Private Party, after losing to Lucha Bros. twice, and before you job to Santana and Ortiz a bunch.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Maybe the Bucks are just positioning themselves as a beloved midcard act, as opposed to the main tag team. Popular, but not top guys. Nothing wrong with that. Plenty of options for stars on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylocke Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TLCJR4LIFE" data-cite="TLCJR4LIFE" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The same reason “mandatory challengers” have existed in boxing for generations.<p> </p><p> In boxing, since again we are using the pseudo sport comparison, the champ would always defend his title when having a fight even if it was against some bum no one ever heard of. </p><p> </p><p> In fact WWE’s own Tyson Fury just got done fighting some no bane in the leaduo to his second fight with Deontay Wilder, the only difference is that boxers, although extremely unlikely due to skill difference, can technically actually lose these fights.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My point was that AEW was undermining their own "Wins and losses matter" policy by handing 2 random guys with not-so-impressive win/loss records title opportunities. Hell, Michael Nakazawa had a better win/loss ratio than Jimmy Havoc. If they don't want their booking to be restricted by that, they shouldn't have set that policy in the first place (not that it was a good idea to begin with). It's as silly as WWE doing a draft and then undermining it with a Wild Card rule.</p><p> </p><p> If they're going to give Darby a title shot to begin with, why not book him to actually win more matches prior to this? This reeks of short-sightedness in their booking.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 AEW has barely begun so no one really has an impressive win/loss record except Jericho and Riho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylocke Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 AEW has barely begun so no one really has an impressive win/loss record except Jericho and Riho. I'm not asking for a Goldberg-level record. They can at least start with those with positive win/loss ratio at least, and not someone like Havoc who was 1-3. OR, like I already said, don't keep bringing up that win/loss record policy to begin with on your shows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <p>AEW is seemingly doing a terrible first</p><p> hour ratings wise. Not sure why but it’s looking NXT levels bad</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 I don’t get the appeal of Britt Baker. She’s not a good worker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingRider Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don’t get the appeal of Britt Baker. She’s not a good worker.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But she's a dentist!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <p>PAC isn’t as smart as he thinks he is.</p><p> </p><p> Grabbing barbed wire by the barbed side is not a good idea.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingRider Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <p>I enjoyed tonight's episode alright...but I'm really hoping to see more variety in the men's roster. A lot of vanilla midgets...where are my big fatties and hosses? </p><p> </p><p> Otherwise, Scorpio Sky is a star in the making.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RingRider" data-cite="RingRider" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I enjoyed tonight's episode alright...but I'm really hoping to see more variety in the men's roster. A lot of vanilla midgets...where are my big fatties and hosses? <p> </p><p> Otherwise, Scorpio Sky is a star in the making.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wardlow and Hager are the only real hosses they have.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don’t get the appeal of Britt Baker. She’s not a good worker.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Same, but the play here is that she's got the work ethic, and she's got a character, they took a lot of calculated risks here on young talent, guys like Jungle Boy, and Kip. Girls like Kylie, and Britt. The idea is that in a couple of years they'll be ready. And after the WWE sucked up almost all of the good Female talent to fill out a Rumble every year. It's pretty slim pickings for homegrown, US talent. Somebody on that Women's roster has to speak English, and not spell color, colour. And the two best left out there in their 20s were Kylie and Britt. So they signed them. This would be a different story if they started this a year ago when the indies had Candace, and Mia on them.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <p>- SCU vs Best Friends was good. It was just a matter of time before either Lucha Bros or The Bucks turned heel.</p><p> - Jobbers vs PnP was an OK squash. Jericho the Matchmaker. Loved the Cody video.</p><p> - Dr. Britt vs Riho © was solid. Britt's improving but she's still a work in progress. Hopefully Bea beats her at Full Gear and challenges Riho.</p><p> - Jurassic Express vs Lucha Bros was good. Can't sleep on Stunt. The dude can go in the ring. Ref Aubrey taking no crap from Lucha Bros.</p><p> - PAC & Mox vs Page & Omega was MOTN. I liked the finished. LOL at Mox crapping on the commercial break. FITE > TNT.</p><p> - Darby vs Jericho © was good. Hager should be an interesting opponent for Darby at Full Gear.</p><p> </p><p> The most consistent episode so far.</p><p> </p><p> MJF backstage interview was hilarious - </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedOther"> <iframe data-embedid="2c75cbfd2023444e02709a652cfbb67b" allowfullscreen="" data-embed-src="<___base_url___>/index.php?app=core&module=system&controller=embed&url=https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1184634403487506437"></iframe> </div> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <p>People forget Britt never went to NXT and has never wrestled on TV before. She's been at dentistry school and only wrestled 45 matches last year and half that this year, a fraction of the amount of matches most wrestlers have on the indies. I've seen in her STARDOM before and I can tell she's improved. She lacks the experience needed to be a top level star... for now. I can see her losing to Bea at Full Gear.</p><p> </p><p> Which got me thinking who AEW should sign or bring in part-time in the next year:</p><p> </p><p> Female: Mercedes Martinez, Jamie Hayter, Priscilla Kelly, Zoe Lucas, Kris Statlander, anyone from TJPW or Gatoh Move</p><p> Male: Killer Kross, Tony Deppen, Jake Atlas, Cara Noir, Daniel Makabe</p><p> </p><p> When their contracts run out: Tessa Blanchard, Jordynne Grace, The Revival, Gilbert El Boricua, (aka Mil Meurtes), Rey Horus (aka El Dragon Azteca Jr), AR Fox</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 AEW post-show: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullMETAL Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I enjoyed tonight's episode alright...but I'm really hoping to see more variety in the men's roster. A lot of vanilla midgets...where are my big fatties and hosses? Otherwise, Scorpio Sky is a star in the making. Wardlow and Hager are the only real hosses they have. Evil Uno. But the fact that Uno's the only not-built-like-a-brickhouse large guy on the roster is a bit...I would say "under-representative" of that particular facet of the independent wrestling scene in 2019? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>MJF backstage interview was hilarious - <div class="ipsEmbeddedOther"> <iframe data-embedid="9c1d5f66bfbede16396d77e0130632af" allowfullscreen="" data-embed-src="<___base_url___>/index.php?app=core&module=system&controller=embed&url=https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1184634403487506437"></iframe> </div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks for posting the link, that was awesome. MJF can do more to get over with 90 seconds of promo time than most people can do with an entire career. Dude is non stop gold. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I know this may seem really strong but MJF has a charisma on the microphone that I haven’t seen since The Rock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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