jimmy_shakerz Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 <p>Also one thing i would suggest is to boost a little bit the popularity of NXT in it's home region.. </p><p> </p><p> Since it's at 59, and the minimum requirement for Medium size is to be 59 in it's home region, if your first show does make you loose any kind of popularity in your home region you're done and you fall to small size, which is unrealistic</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbadger Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just started a game as AEW, ran my first Dynamite and had 3 angles with a 100 rating. Surely this shouldn't be the case? I had a Mox/Jericho angle opening the show, with a further Jericho promo later on as well as a Cody promo - all 3 got a 100 rating. The show had a 90 rating and the company's popularity has already risen by 1 point across the US (Puerto Rico/Hawaii aside). I always found the 2016 mod to be well balanced however putting on a 90 rated show so easily with your first Dynamite makes it far too easy. A solo MJF promo also got a rating of 83 - he's at 54 popularity and even taking his charisma of 85 into account as the whole entertainment rating, it gives a base rating of 66.4 as per the guide's outline on how rated on entertainment angles are calculated. A Young Bucks/Page/Omega angle also got a 77 rating, which is 17 rating points above AEW's popularity, and way in excess of the popularity/entertainment ratings for those 4. I can only think that the temporary bonus attributes they have all been allocated (groundswell of support, new catchphrase etc) has provided a ridiculously high bonus that has grossly inflated the rating. They all picked up bonuses for improvising well, good road agent work etc, though there were commentary penalties too. Is it worth removing these attributes to see how the game balances out? I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the skill or popularity stats for the workers, but it also doesn't feel right that straightforward angles featuring standard roster members are achieving such huge ratings in comparison to the popularity of the company and workers involved. Even a PAC/Darby match first on the card got a 77 rating (albeit I have crowd control turned off). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor99 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just started a game as AEW, ran my first Dynamite and had 3 angles with a 100 rating. Surely this shouldn't be the case? I had a Mox/Jericho angle opening the show, with a further Jericho promo later on as well as a Cody promo - all 3 got a 100 rating. The show had a 90 rating and the company's popularity has already risen by 1 point across the US (Puerto Rico/Hawaii aside). I always found the 2016 mod to be well balanced however putting on a 90 rated show so easily with your first Dynamite makes it far too easy. A solo MJF promo also got a rating of 83 - he's at 54 popularity and even taking his charisma of 85 into account as the whole entertainment rating, it gives a base rating of 66.4 as per the guide's outline on how rated on entertainment angles are calculated. A Young Bucks/Page/Omega angle also got a 77 rating, which is 17 rating points above AEW's popularity, and way in excess of the popularity/entertainment ratings for those 4. I can only think that the temporary bonus attributes they have all been allocated (groundswell of support, new catchphrase etc) has provided a ridiculously high bonus that has grossly inflated the rating. They all picked up bonuses for improvising well, good road agent work etc, though there were commentary penalties too. Is it worth removing these attributes to see how the game balances out? I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the skill or popularity stats for the workers, but it also doesn't feel right that straightforward angles featuring standard roster members are achieving such huge ratings in comparison to the popularity of the company and workers involved. Even a PAC/Darby match first on the card got a 77 rating (albeit I have crowd control turned off). Crowd control probably the reason honestly. My ratings have not come close to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryker2710 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Gronk has apparently been released by WWE and returned to football, it looks like he might be done with wrestling completely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastamania Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just started a game as AEW, ran my first Dynamite and had 3 angles with a 100 rating. Surely this shouldn't be the case? I had a Mox/Jericho angle opening the show, with a further Jericho promo later on as well as a Cody promo - all 3 got a 100 rating. The show had a 90 rating and the company's popularity has already risen by 1 point across the US (Puerto Rico/Hawaii aside). I always found the 2016 mod to be well balanced however putting on a 90 rated show so easily with your first Dynamite makes it far too easy. A solo MJF promo also got a rating of 83 - he's at 54 popularity and even taking his charisma of 85 into account as the whole entertainment rating, it gives a base rating of 66.4 as per the guide's outline on how rated on entertainment angles are calculated. A Young Bucks/Page/Omega angle also got a 77 rating, which is 17 rating points above AEW's popularity, and way in excess of the popularity/entertainment ratings for those 4. I can only think that the temporary bonus attributes they have all been allocated (groundswell of support, new catchphrase etc) has provided a ridiculously high bonus that has grossly inflated the rating. They all picked up bonuses for improvising well, good road agent work etc, though there were commentary penalties too. Is it worth removing these attributes to see how the game balances out? I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the skill or popularity stats for the workers, but it also doesn't feel right that straightforward angles featuring standard roster members are achieving such huge ratings in comparison to the popularity of the company and workers involved. Even a PAC/Darby match first on the card got a 77 rating (albeit I have crowd control turned off). You need to state what you were using in your show. If you have major success and change what the angle is rated on. It will do alot better of course. Chris Jericho based on popularity and major success. It will do better than a angle based on entertainment and neutral success. Alot of your show rating is based on the end. You can turn off booking times and always get 90s for the show. I did 8hr shows in 2016 to get people over and great show ratings. Anyway I'm just saying telling questlove exactly what you are doing is very helpful in making the mod better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyblack Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 <p>Love the Mod, great work! Going through Impact tho a few things stood out. First off, Impact should not have an Attitude Entertainment product. I watch every week and although there are vignettes and angles , they still put the in ring product above everything else. A 40:60 match/angle ratio is very unrealistic. Perhaps maybe Wrestling Nerd Nirvana or Guerilla Warfare? They should probably start off with more cash as well....400k of starting money is peanuts considering Anthem has ALOT of money and has stated multiple times Impact has their full financial backing.</p><p> </p><p> Madison Rayne should have Color Commentator box ticked as she’s been doing color with Josh Matthews from their home the last few weeks. </p><p> </p><p> I don’t think James Mitchell is with Impact anymore , he was written off TV a few weeks ago.</p><p> </p><p> Ethan Page should have a small bump in entertainment skills. Guy is pretty good on the mic and is funny as hell in segments.</p><p> </p><p> Not sure if setting Tessa as the company figurehead is the best idea just yet. Yes they have been pushing her hard the better part of the year but she has missed the last 2 set of Tv tapings and is still relatively new to the main event scene in impact.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryker2710 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="rhyblack" data-cite="rhyblack" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47535" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> Not sure if setting Tessa as the company figurehead is the best idea just yet. Yes they have been pushing her hard the better part of the year but she has missed the last 2 set of Tv tapings and is still relatively i new to the main event scene in impact.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They seem to be putting full support behind her as the face of the company, she needs to be established but I think Figurehead suits her, the only reason she missed taping is because of travel restrictions due to living in Mexico</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbadger Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 You need to state what you were using in your show. If you have major success and change what the angle is rated on. It will do alot better of course. Chris Jericho based on popularity and major success. It will do better than a angle based on entertainment and neutral success. Alot of your show rating is based on the end. You can turn off booking times and always get 90s for the show. I did 8hr shows in 2016 to get people over and great show ratings. Anyway I'm just saying telling questlove exactly what you are doing is very helpful in making the mod better. Apologies, thought I had mentioned it - all of the angles had workers rated on entertainment, hence why I was referring to MJF's stats. It was a 2 hour show, and as said previously the only thing I had switched off was crowd management. I've taken the attributes off of the workers involved and ran the exact same card, Cody's promo only hit 80 this time around however Jericho/Mox hit 100 again and a solo entertainment promo from MJF hit 88. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questlove Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 Apologies, thought I had mentioned it - all of the angles had workers rated on entertainment, hence why I was referring to MJF's stats. It was a 2 hour show, and as said previously the only thing I had switched off was crowd management. I've taken the attributes off of the workers involved and ran the exact same card, Cody's promo only hit 80 this time around however Jericho/Mox hit 100 again and a solo entertainment promo from MJF hit 88. AEW are a bit of a problem child in TEW terms. MJF's overness might be too high, but even if you drop it by 10 points he's still capable of good numbers. Jericho and Moxley's stats are pretty spot on imo and again even if they're dropped they'll rate far higher than AEW's popularity. I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses, but it being a problem at all is really on the game for the insane way company popularity changes work. AEW could put on objectively the best shows ever for a month straight and they still wouldn't grow anywhere near as much as they would in TEW. I've asked myself repeatedly whether I should balance around that or whether I should go for stat accuracy and I've leaned more towards the latter because I think going too far in the other direction would suck the fun out of it, but it's a balancing act that of course could be better in some areas. All this said, I still haven't got a 100 rated angle with anybody in 2020 and I struggle a bit with angles in general so it could also just be that you're the best booker in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastamania Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 AEW are a bit of a problem child in TEW terms. MJF's overness might be too high, but even if you drop it by 10 points he's still capable of good numbers. Jericho and Moxley's stats are pretty spot on imo and again even if they're dropped they'll rate far higher than AEW's popularity. I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses, but it being a problem at all is really on the game for the insane way company popularity changes work. AEW could put on objectively the best shows ever for a month straight and they still wouldn't grow anywhere near as much as they would in TEW. I've asked myself repeatedly whether I should balance around that or whether I should go for stat accuracy and I've leaned more towards the latter because I think going too far in the other direction would suck the fun out of it, but it's a balancing act that of course could be better in some areas. All this said, I still haven't got a 100 rated angle with anybody in 2020 and I struggle a bit with angles in general so it could also just be that you're the best booker in the world. 100 angle is easy in any tew. Rate it on menace and do it 3 times in the show. The 3rd time I bet you get a 100. I have stated menace should be nerfed like sex appeal for this very reason. Lets take aew. Warlow walking into the arena Next Warlow standing behind mjf Next Warlow working out. Flip it Brock Lesnar doing all the same angles. Menace will get you 100s I book my shows like wwf back in the day. Show worker walking to the ring, entrance angle, match, post match angle angle after the match. This is based on my experience of course. I'm just offering you my advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyc Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I've got no specific feedback to give, I just want to say thank you for your work on this Questlove. I've been holding off on starting a current day real world game with AEW and so far this mod has certainly been worth the wait. Thanks once again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoLegsGaming Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 100 angle is easy in any tew. Rate it on menace and do it 3 times in the show. The 3rd time I bet you get a 100. I have stated menace should be nerfed like sex appeal for this very reason. Lets take aew. Warlow walking into the arena Next Warlow standing behind mjf Next Warlow working out. Flip it Brock Lesnar doing all the same angles. Menace will get you 100s I book my shows like wwf back in the day. Show worker walking to the ring, entrance angle, match, post match angle angle after the match. This is based on my experience of course. I'm just offering you my advice. The ratings of those angles aren't really important since they should all be used as minor angles which iirc don't hold an impact with regards to the show's final rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorMcFly Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Pastamania" data-cite="Pastamania" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47535" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>100 angle is easy in any tew. Rate it on menace and do it 3 times in the show. The 3rd time I bet you get a 100. I have stated menace should be nerfed like sex appeal for this very reason. <p> </p><p> Lets take aew. </p><p> </p><p> Warlow walking into the arena </p><p> Next </p><p> Warlow standing behind mjf </p><p> Next</p><p> Warlow working out. </p><p> </p><p> Flip it</p><p> Brock Lesnar doing all the same angles. </p><p> </p><p> Menace will get you 100s </p><p> </p><p> I book my shows like wwf back in the day. Show worker walking to the ring, entrance angle, match, post match angle angle after the match. </p><p> </p><p> This is based on my experience of course. I'm just offering you my advice.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I apologize if this was already addressed but I thought Menace was like Sex Appeal and Overness and will tank the segment for being uninteresting. Is it just if they are the only things being rated on?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubernoob Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RaptorMcFly" data-cite="RaptorMcFly" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47535" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I apologize if this was already addressed but I thought Menace was like Sex Appeal and Overness and will tank the segment for being uninteresting. Is it just if they are the only things being rated on?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's if nothing is going on.</p><p> </p><p> So if MJF is in the ring with Wardlow for 10 minutes, as long as MJF was doing something Wardlow could be rated on Menace and the angle wouldn't tank.</p><p> </p><p> The angle only tanks if it's longer than 3(4? I forget what the number switched to this year) minutes with nothing going on (rated on overness/sex appeal/menace only).</p><p> </p><p> Wardlow screaming and being menacing while doing nothing for 1 minute could maybe be entertaining. 5 minutes of him just sitting on camera trying to look menacing? Yeah that's boring as hell.</p><p> </p><p> Another example not from a show is PCO.</p><p> </p><p> I'd say those little promos he shoots for Twitter would be rated on Menace (his 'training montages') and those are always like 2-3 minutes, because they'd wear out their welcome if they were longer.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaptorMcFly Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ubernoob" data-cite="ubernoob" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47535" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's if nothing is going on.<p> </p><p> So if MJF is in the ring with Wardlow for 10 minutes, as long as MJF was doing something Wardlow could be rated on Menace and the angle wouldn't tank.</p><p> </p><p> The angle only tanks if it's longer than 3(4? I forget what the number switched to this year) minutes with nothing going on (rated on overness/sex appeal/menace only).</p><p> </p><p> Wardlow screaming and being menacing while doing nothing for 1 minute could maybe be entertaining. 5 minutes of him just sitting on camera trying to look menacing? Yeah that's boring as hell.</p><p> </p><p> Another example not from a show is PCO.</p><p> </p><p> I'd say those little promos he shoots for Twitter would be rated on Menace (his 'training montages') and those are always like 2-3 minutes, because they'd wear out their welcome if they were longer.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh, gosh, I mistakenly thought that it would tank with any of those in there. I have been hesitant of doing any angle with those longer than 2 minutes. Even with microphone or entertainment. Thank you</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnum81 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 When AI-booked, NJPW needs some tweaking to the AI-booking of their minor shows. Even shows like "Best of the Super Juniors Day 13", which is a minor tour show for them, gets great ratings because they use all their top stars in singles matches for the show. They have Okada vs Tanahashi in the main event and Jericho vs Suzuki in the co-main-event for a Best of the Super Juniors Tour show (where the real-life main event would be something like Hiromu vs Ospreay, at best, and if Okada/Takahashi/Jericho/Suzuki would appear at all on the card, they would be in underneath multi-man matches). Is there a way to replicate the NJPW style of booking for their lesser/tour shows? On TEW they consistently offer big singeles matches for lesser/tour shows. In real life they would "save" those matches for their big events and their stars would only appear in multi-man matches during those lesser/tour shows. This is not just a cosmetic issue, it has real impact on gameplay, as lesser/tour shows for NJPW are consistently rated far too high (because they're using their top stars in a way they should not). Not sure if it's a mod-specific problem or just a TEW-specific problem. It would probably help if TEW gave us the option to add weight limits to shows (e.g. only maximum Lightweight can appear on this show). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questlove Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 When AI-booked, NJPW needs some tweaking to the AI-booking of their minor shows. Even shows like "Best of the Super Juniors Day 13", which is a minor tour show for them, gets great ratings because they use all their top stars in singles matches for the show. They have Okada vs Tanahashi in the main event and Jericho vs Suzuki in the co-main-event for a Best of the Super Juniors Tour show (where the real-life main event would be something like Hiromu vs Ospreay, at best, and if Okada/Takahashi/Jericho/Suzuki would appear at all on the card, they would be in underneath multi-man matches). Is there a way to replicate the NJPW style of booking for their lesser/tour shows? On TEW they consistently offer big singeles matches for lesser/tour shows. In real life they would "save" those matches for their big events and their stars would only appear in multi-man matches during those lesser/tour shows. This is not just a cosmetic issue, it has real impact on gameplay, as lesser/tour shows for NJPW are consistently rated far too high (because they're using their top stars in a way they should not). Not sure if it's a mod-specific problem or just a TEW-specific problem. It would probably help if TEW gave us the option to add weight limits to shows (e.g. only maximum Lightweight can appear on this show). Very aware of this, it's why I asked on the previous page for people to send me their match ratings because I want to see just how much of a gap there is between what the player does and what the AI does and from what I'm seeing the gap is enormous. The only way I can really fix it on my end is to harshly underrate all their top guys. Every test I've done sees them throwing away all their best matches on every single tour show, it drives me nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnum81 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Very aware of this, it's why I asked on the previous page for people to send me their match ratings because I want to see just how much of a gap there is between what the player does and what the AI does and from what I'm seeing the gap is enormous. The only way I can really fix it on my end is to harshly underrate all their top guys. Every test I've done sees them throwing away all their best matches on every single tour show, it drives me nuts. Maybe it would help to add the note "Main Event is 3 vs 3" to all NJPW lesser/tour shows? If we can't stop NJPW from using their top guys on these shows, then maybe we can restrict them to using their top guys only in those multi-men matches? Undercard would consist of some tag and one-on-one matches and the main event would be 3 vs 3, basically the other way as it is in real life. Not sure that's a solution but it might be a small improvement. Nerfing all their top talent is probably not the solution, as it takes realism away from the mod (which is probably not what you're aiming for). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxley Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Very aware of this, it's why I asked on the previous page for people to send me their match ratings because I want to see just how much of a gap there is between what the player does and what the AI does and from what I'm seeing the gap is enormous. The only way I can really fix it on my end is to harshly underrate all their top guys. Every test I've done sees them throwing away all their best matches on every single tour show, it drives me nuts. I don't know if this has been tried before, but what if you made two brands, one for the heavyweights and the other for the junior heavyweights, and made for example the BOSJ shows brand specific to just juniors? could it work that way? or would it lead to the heavyweights getting angry at being left off shows/ other problems? edit: just tried this and New Japan immediately dropped the brand split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastamania Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 The ratings of those angles aren't really important since they should all be used as minor angles which iirc don't hold an impact with regards to the show's final rating. It depends how you want to play the game. Which has always been the best part about tew. I have never done a netural angle ever. It becomes pointless if I'm trying to build a roster. I have always been basically a training camp in tew. I get stars and companies over then move on. It is fun for me that way. It makes the AI far better in the end. Tew 04 the computer tried to steal your workers all the time and buy you out. I miss it and always wanted the AI to be more aggressive in the game. Anyway my angles are rated on best thing possible.major success and always make a storyline for it. So you get the extra heat bonus too Menace has never been really nerfed as bad as sex appeal. 2016 SA was pointless For angles because of the nerfs. Adam added selling in angles. It made it good for alot of people. As far as AI goes Questlove It has been boring for years. The only way I found to make them better is to setup the federation in game. You leave after 3mths. You assign them a owner and booker to fit the product. It is alot of work but it works in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabin357 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Johnny Fenoli" data-cite="Johnny Fenoli" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47535" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Is Dani somewhere in the data? <p> </p><p> Does anyone have any information on her, so I can add before I start my game?</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> edit: Also just noticed Dasha Feuntes doesn't speak spanish in the data.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> She is not, but I made a version of her based on the very few matches I've seen of her.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabin357 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 <p>I've been doing breakdowns of NWA shows to get an idea of ratios & match type (binged it all again this week). What I found is that Episodic Entertainment is a far more accurate Product type than Classic Southern Rasslin. </p><p> </p><p> There is rarely a wild brawl match (which CSR requires for some reason). The actual average match to angle ratio is 40:60 for Powerrr, so Episodic is the closest product while still not being exactly representative.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabin357 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Alice Crowley is listed as a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite180 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sabin357" data-cite="sabin357" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47535" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Alice Crowley is listed as a man.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> its the 21st century now mate</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landxx Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Snakebite180" data-cite="Snakebite180" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47535" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>its the 21st century now mate</div></blockquote> Stop <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />:D:D:D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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