FlightlessGypsy Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Donners" data-cite="Donners" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can click on the skills individually to see their progression, but there's no overview with all of them like there was in 2016.<p> </p><p> It's an odd omission, given there's a monthly overness progression screen.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's cool that all the information fits on one screen now, but I used to love that screen <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d12345 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1. Moving segments up and down with the arrows is frustrating. 2. Storyline History only shows first five or so segments in the storyline, at the very least should be the latest ones, it's REALLY hard to track what you last booked for a storyline in its current format. Ideally there'd be a scrollbar so you can see all of the segments for the storyline, which brings me to my next point... +1 On these 2 notes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozejames Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 issues So far its going okay, long time player, (since EWR). My issues so far, a few runtime crashes at random moments. Agree with needing to use arrow keys to scroll through lists. but my real main issues... Why cant we set/have custom resolutions, its 2020 why cant I play full screen on my 1080p laptop rather than having it run windowed. Am I missing something. Also would prefer words rather than Icons for the left side menu. I guess that can be fixed with custom skins. Lastly can we brighten up the UI with more lighter, and neutral colours, keep the blue but maybe match it with a grey, or green. perhaps a colour scheme more along the lines of football manager. As for game play elements, I would ask if we could put in a potential rating for workers, so we have a better indicator if they will develop into a successful worker. Also not sure if intentional but having a range rating for a wrestler even after being employed. eg when I employ a wrestler and their brawling is say 45 - 70 instead of just showing the actual rating. if this is intentional how do I find out the exact rating of an attribute? So far Ive had 3 playthroughs of the beta, enjoying it for the most part. pretty similar to TEW 2016, was hoping for more of an evolution considering the game was rebuilt from the ground up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 So far its going okay, long time player, (since EWR). My issues so far, a few runtime crashes at random moments. Agree with needing to use arrow keys to scroll through lists. but my real main issues... Why cant we set/have custom resolutions, its 2020 why cant I play full screen on my 1080p laptop rather than having it run windowed. Am I missing something. Also would prefer words rather than Icons for the left side menu. I guess that can be fixed with custom skins. Lastly can we brighten up the UI with more lighter, and neutral colours, keep the blue but maybe match it with a grey, or green. perhaps a colour scheme more along the lines of football manager. As for game play elements, I would ask if we could put in a potential rating for workers, so we have a better indicator if they will develop into a successful worker. Also not sure if intentional but having a range rating for a wrestler even after being employed. eg when I employ a wrestler and their brawling is say 45 - 70 instead of just showing the actual rating. if this is intentional how do I find out the exact rating of an attribute? So far Ive had 3 playthroughs of the beta, enjoying it for the most part. pretty similar to TEW 2016, was hoping for more of an evolution considering the game was rebuilt from the ground up. To find their exact attribute turn off scouting and pro mode in preferences on option screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilkySlimer Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 As a long time Football Manager player, the change from grades to numbers isn't as bothersome for me as it seemingly is for some. However the gap between skill and attribute itself is quite annoying. Seems like wasted space until you realise the information 'behind' it needs the space. If only there was a way to edit the attributes colours to something more appealing. I agree with the red/yellow/green system but its hardly game breaking. Just takes a while to get used to I suppose. As far as the UI is concerned, realising the limitations, I still find there to be too many hidden clickable areas and too many clicks in general in some areas. While a lot has been streamlined (The booking screen, specifically). Obviously a tabbed system would work so much better but that's from playing Football Managers for years and years. There's limitations here and given the team Adam has behind him there's proper studios who make far more irritating and badly designed UI's. UI aside, I'm thoroughly enjoying TEW20 thus far, knowing full well any glitches, errors and other things will be improved or ironed out as we get closer to the new release date. One thing that does irk me and it's absolutely pedantic I know, but the stables feature is great especially being able to use dynamic backgrounds and 'renders'. I don't quite understand why .gif files work but .png doesn't. Probably limitations but when attempting to make them myself that horrible white outline kills the look of it. I can change the colour but if it was .png that wouldn't be an issue. Purely aesthetic but can't say it isn't annoying. Again, very minor issue. Overall I think I speak for most people when I say I can't wait for the full release and can't pretend that I had hoped to be playing it fully right now, it'll be worth the wait though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightlessGypsy Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 As a long time Football Manager player, the change from grades to numbers isn't as bothersome for me as it seemingly is for some. However the gap between skill and attribute itself is quite annoying. Seems like wasted space until you realise the information 'behind' it needs the space. If only there was a way to edit the attributes colours to something more appealing. I agree with the red/yellow/green system but its hardly game breaking. Just takes a while to get used to I suppose. As far as the UI is concerned, realising the limitations, I still find there to be too many hidden clickable areas and too many clicks in general in some areas. While a lot has been streamlined (The booking screen, specifically). Obviously a tabbed system would work so much better but that's from playing Football Managers for years and years. There's limitations here and given the team Adam has behind him there's proper studios who make far more irritating and badly designed UI's. UI aside, I'm thoroughly enjoying TEW20 thus far, knowing full well any glitches, errors and other things will be improved or ironed out as we get closer to the new release date. One thing that does irk me and it's absolutely pedantic I know, but the stables feature is great especially being able to use dynamic backgrounds and 'renders'. I don't quite understand why .gif files work but .png doesn't. Probably limitations but when attempting to make them myself that horrible white outline kills the look of it. I can change the colour but if it was .png that wouldn't be an issue. Purely aesthetic but can't say it isn't annoying. Again, very minor issue. Overall I think I speak for most people when I say I can't wait for the full release and can't pretend that I had hoped to be playing it fully right now, it'll be worth the wait though. Sorry I thought I should reiterate, I don't find this an issue but it's just taking me a while to used used to. There is a difference between the two so I thought I should clarify! I, for whatever reason, just seem to associate colour coded grades with brain dopamine receptors and the numbers just require a little more effort to force the same effect. I also prefer reading horizontally across rather than a vertical list so the removal of the skill page is a bit of a bummer. Easy things to get over though! I also have problems reading numbers like 54 - 67 and 45 - 51 when they are so close together. C - B+ and F+ - E or a bigger font with separated categories like in-ring and gimmick skills having a one-line gap (perhaps resizeable within the stat grid like an excel sheet is?) would help me out a lot. So many double digit numbers squished together is a dyslexic nightmare.. EDIT: I also really miss the big red run show button. Something about running shows now feels super underwhelming haha, even incidents are easier to miss now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilkySlimer Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Strieth" data-cite="Strieth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> EDIT: I also really miss the big red run show button. Something about running shows now feels super underwhelming haha, even incidents are easier to miss now.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree on the 'run show' button actually. There's some nice looking graphics/logos scattered through the game in specific areas, it'd be nice to have specifically designed buttons for a few things. Tournament, Annual Awards, Hall of Fame etc. Those logos looks great, it'd be nice to see some clickable graphics like that in specific places.</p><p> </p><p> Obviously if its even possible with the coding/UI.</p><p> </p><p> There are certain little details that should 'pop' more like the overall show rating for one example. Its usually what I am interesting in seeing first but its kind of tucked away and not instantly noticeable.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek DiBenedetto Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SilkySlimer" data-cite="SilkySlimer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> One thing that does irk me and it's absolutely pedantic I know, but the stables feature is great especially being able to use dynamic backgrounds and 'renders'. I don't quite understand why .gif files work but .png doesn't. Probably limitations but when attempting to make them myself that horrible white outline kills the look of it. I can change the colour but if it was .png that wouldn't be an issue.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The language used to create TEW20 doesn't support the processing or display of .PNG files, at least natively it doesn't. It was designed at a time before transparent .PNG files were widely used. It mainly supports .JPG and .GIF by default.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilkySlimer Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek DiBenedetto" data-cite="Derek DiBenedetto" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The language used to create TEW20 doesn't support the processing or display of .PNG files, at least natively it doesn't. It was designed at a time before transparent .PNG files were widely used. It mainly supports .JPG and .GIF by default.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Assumed as much, like I said its purely a pedantic and aesthetic irk but the stable dynamic images would sure look a lot cleaner if PNG images were allowed. Like most things I mentioned, won't have any actual bearing on enjoyment.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightlessGypsy Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SilkySlimer" data-cite="SilkySlimer" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree on the 'run show' button actually. There's some nice looking graphics/logos scattered through the game in specific areas, it'd be nice to have specifically designed buttons for a few things. Tournament, Annual Awards, Hall of Fame etc. Those logos looks great, it'd be nice to see some clickable graphics like that in specific places.<p> </p><p> Obviously if its even possible with the coding/UI.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>There are certain little details that should 'pop' more</strong> like the overall show rating for one example. Its usually what I am interesting in seeing first but its kind of tucked away and not instantly noticeable.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah now that I have trust in the core game mechanics being fixed with these patches, this remains my only complaint. Obviously there's still some bad ones like angles and products but from someone who exclusively uses set products and the freestyle writer who also believes those problems will be fixed soon, my irks are all with the graphic and buttons. For a game revolved around a setting as eccentric as the C-Verse, it's looking a little to much like a spreadsheet over a professional wrestling game. I always felt like all the TEW graphics gave it a 'wrestling paordy' feel, complimenting the quirkiness of Adams' alternative wrestling vision. Obviously it needs to be a balance but right now I feel like I'm playing a sports game without the sport.</p><p> </p><p> Even WMMA had the Big Strike! and Knockdown! to add flare to the events. Charm like that is missing a little bit.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddytorgo1 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bull" data-cite="Bull" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yea it should work pretty much exactly like the get inspiration button on the gimmick screen. . you can click it and select it so that it populates the fields, but still make adjustments to everything once it's chosen rather than being locked into length's, rated on, and what not. .</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If we're doing that it would be cool if we could edit the flavor text too (maybe instead of the description). Just for immersion's sake. Even if it's not saved anywhere so it just disappears, that would be fun.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozejames Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To find their exact attribute turn off scouting and pro mode in preferences on option screen.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> cheers I thought it might have been a "having to scout a worker type thing"</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerodragomir1 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Anybody know what the system is that Adam uses to program the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesomenessofme1 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Anybody know what the system is that Adam uses to program the game? Visual Basic. VB6, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerodragomir1 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Visual Basic. VB6, I believe. Thanks fam! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tormyb Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 As a long time Football Manager player, You've made me realise that I should probably preface everything I say like this. I'm pretty sure that I've played enough Football Manager, that my entire understanding of the world is through that lens. Hmm...this cake is delicious, but as a Football Manager player, it's not as good as the ability to create a manic high pressing system in a few clicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilkySlimer Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 You've made me realise that I should probably preface everything I say like this. I'm pretty sure that I've played enough Football Manager, that my entire understanding of the world is through that lens. Hmm...this cake is delicious, but as a Football Manager player, it's not as good as the ability to create a manic high pressing system in a few clicks. As a Football Manager player, I can safely say you haven't played enough if you don't do that already haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerful_Fox Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 As a Football Manager player, I can safely say you haven't played enough if you don't do that already haha Wife: Fox, do you want tea? Me: Those reports are preposterous, I've never even heard of tea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINisher Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 One thing that does irk me and it's absolutely pedantic I know, but the stables feature is great especially being able to use dynamic backgrounds and 'renders'. Just to let everyone know, I'm working on converting all the images to .gif and releasing the pack, just like I did with TEW2016. GIF'fing the Cornellverse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerodragomir1 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Just to let everyone know, I'm working on converting all the images to .gif and releasing the pack, just like I did with TEW2016. GIF'fing the Cornellverse! I really like this! Going to need this if I ever decide to play the corverse! I'm not a fan of the blue backgrounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tormyb Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Powerful_Fox" data-cite="Powerful_Fox" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wife: Fox, do you want tea?<p> Me: Those reports are preposterous, I've never even heard of tea!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Haha!</p><p> </p><p> Boss: You haven't achieved any of your goals this year.</p><p> Internal memo: tormyb vows to end goal drought.</p><p> </p><p> Says a lot about my abilities, that the first new report I think of from the game is about my striker not scoring!</p><p> </p><p> Actually, I better stop talking about FM. I won't stop.</p><p> </p><p> What about this new TEW 20 game eh? I hear there's a hell of a box-to-box midfielder called Tommy Cornell.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitywpi Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <p>Okay, I've been thinking about the whole Product thing for a while now, and I think I've managed to articulate my feelings on it. So here goes.</p><p> </p><p> This is a sandbox, so you should be able to set your company's product however you like. However, it is also a simulation, so setting your product to be Sexy Naked Barbed-Wire Deathmatches should result in a quick descent into bankruptcy and game over.</p><p> </p><p> Or in other words: Not all products are going to be viable because there's no (or not a big enough) audience for them. Audiences want certain things, and doing things like "It's WWE but with the comedy slider moved down" isn't going to really distinguish them much -- it's still Sports Entertainment. The pre-made products cover everything viable, and some that -might- be viable, given the audience of the world. Anything else won't work. </p><p> </p><p> So as much as a Hyper-Realistic Lucha Comedy company sounds interesting, in practice it's such an unworkable product that it just doesn't exist. And if it was allowed to exist, we'd have countless threads of "Why doesn't my product get anyone coming to events/watching shows/go bankrupt so fast?"</p><p> </p><p> Sometimes, sandboxes need limits.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerful_Fox Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="tormyb" data-cite="tormyb" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Haha!<p> </p><p> Boss: You haven't achieved any of your goals this year.</p><p> Internal memo: tormyb vows to end goal drought.</p><p> </p><p> Says a lot about my abilities, that the first new report I think of from the game is about my striker not scoring!</p><p> </p><p> Actually, I better stop talking about FM. I won't stop.</p><p> </p><p> What about this new TEW 20 game eh? I hear there's a hell of a box-to-box midfielder called Tommy Cornell.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Tommy Cornell is surely the N'Golo Kante of TEW, literally runs the play and very few weaknesses outside of maybe requiring a touch more flair.</p><p> </p><p> The thing FM and TEW have on common and both do very, very well is the ability to make you hate real life counterparts becasue of their actions in the game.</p><p> </p><p> Neil Warnock can go **** himself for comments he made about me in a build up to an FA cup Quarter Final, I've hated him for a good 12 years.</p><p> </p><p> Randy Orton turned down an offer I made to him when I already pencilled in around 4-6 months of story for him in TEW 05. He doesn't exist to me now.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerodragomir1 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="infinitywpi" data-cite="infinitywpi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Okay, I've been thinking about the whole Product thing for a while now, and I think I've managed to articulate my feelings on it. So here goes.<p> </p><p> This is a sandbox, so you should be able to set your company's product however you like. However, it is also a simulation, so setting your product to be Sexy Naked Barbed-Wire Deathmatches should result in a quick descent into bankruptcy and game over.</p><p> </p><p> Or in other words: Not all products are going to be viable because there's no (or not a big enough) audience for them. Audiences want certain things, and doing things like "It's WWE but with the comedy slider moved down" isn't going to really distinguish them much -- it's still Sports Entertainment. The pre-made products cover everything viable, and some that -might- be viable, given the audience of the world. Anything else won't work. </p><p> </p><p> So as much as a Hyper-Realistic Lucha Comedy company sounds interesting, in practice it's such an unworkable product that it just doesn't exist. And if it was allowed to exist, we'd have countless threads of "Why doesn't my product get anyone coming to events/watching shows/go bankrupt so fast?"</p><p> </p><p> Sometimes, sandboxes need limits.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Won't lie, you Vince Russo'ed me with the levels of swerve this comment had. I was expecting for you to advocate for open products. Then you got me by saying the sandbox needs limits! </p><p> </p><p> Ya got me! Ya darn dirty Russo, you got me!</p><p> </p><p> I'll say again that I could go either way (Zarbon: As I could I sir!)</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tormyb Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Powerful_Fox" data-cite="Powerful_Fox" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Neil Warnock can go f*ck himself for comments he made about me in a build up to an FA cup Quarter Final, I've hated him for a good 12 years.</p><p> </p><p> Randy Orton turned down an offer I made to him when I already pencilled in around 4-6 months of story for him in TEW 05. He doesn't exist to me now.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> 100% agree.</p><p> </p><p> On a related note, I think if Steve Coogan and Rob Bryden ever get bored of filming The Trip, Neil Warnock and Randy Orton would be a great replacement duo.</p><p> </p><p> Has anyone made a mod where I can book Warnock and Orton to go meandering along the French Riviera together? If Adam doesn't patch it in to TEW 20, I'm not buying it!</p><p> </p><p> Mr Kennedy and Alan Pardew on the other hand. Get in the sea you drug test failing, transfer blocking a**holes! (For clarity, Mr Kennedy had nothing to do with my failure to sign a young Papu Gomez).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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