Public Beta Reaction Thread

[nerodragomir1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="NinjaBadger4k" data-cite="NinjaBadger4k" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah I have to agree unfortunately.<p> </p><p> I have tried to like 20 but I just can't. I never played 16, I was always EWR > TEW05 > TEW13 and I have never had any issues with those games bar a few hiccups here and there with 05. I was always able to maintain a steady flow and like Football Manager, I could lose an entire day playing it and not realise.</p><p> </p><p> With 20, there are so many features that I do like but I don't think I can justify the price for those features alone. For me, it's not user friendly and the booking side of things feels so sluggish compared to booking with TEW13. I also don't think I could purchase at launch due to the lack of good real world mods. The CVerse just doesn't interest me, I have tried to enjoy it but it's just not for me. The characters are ok I guess but I can't get invested in them to justify a long term save. I've already exhausted the beta with TCW and SWF and I didn't enjoy it.</p><p> </p><p> I think at this stage I am more likely to purchase 16 if there are enough changes to justify the purchase in comparison to 13. </p><p> </p><p> I just hope that in a years time there will be enough improvements made to 20 and enough quality working real world and historical mods for me to justify the price. Right now it's just a bit of a let down <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I am going to try and do another 3 months with one of the mods in BETA for historical time and see if I can be swayed, if not then I'll either stock with 13 or jump to 16</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I suggest giving 2016 a shot, now that is a great game! It improves on some stuff 2013 did. I know it has it's fair share of issues, but is so much nicer to play & look at compared to 2020.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="southside_hitmen" data-cite="southside_hitmen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't think there is anything wrong with voicing your opinion, as long as it is done respectively (which, personally, I think you have).<p> </p><p> The game won't improve if it's just all sunshine and rainbows in here. It's perfectly acceptable to state the how and why of why you aren't willing to make the jump to 20.</p><p> </p><p> People are allowed to like/not like it and say why. As long as everyone on both sides can do that respectfully without it turning into personal attacks or violating TOS, I think it's a useful discussion.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Man, that's what I'm all about! I don't want to insult anyone or make anyone feel bad for the game. I'm so thankful that Adam continues to make TEW games. But it's exactly as you said. If nobody mentions issues, then nothing will be addressed! If everyone just kept saying "Wow, love the new game guys!" Then why would anything be fixed? If the game was at least AS GOOD as 2016, then you wouldn't see me on here complaining about a single thing.</p><p> </p><p> The ironic thing is this. I am not smart enough to look at the new mechanics & think anything negative. I just want the old things that used to be in the game! Only new thing I can really complain about is the tournament implementation. I wish it just took me to the match screen instead of being some weird thing that gives me no refinement or search options. Just expects me to know what 8+ people I want to use & how I want to use them. If I already know what 8+ people I want to use in the tournament, that would signafy to me that I've probably already used some outside tool to mark down who I want to use. I'm probably already using Challonge or some other, easier to use tournament tracker.</p>

[Blackman]

<p>There will be a number of people who will end up finding TEW16 the better game upon release. Due to some daring changes the game will not be strictly better (on paper). Games rarely are. People value different features and if you're like me, for instance, and value immersion the most, the game is in a quite bad spot right now. But there's still time, so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. But he can't please everybody, so some will be luckier than others. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

My problem was I overhyped myself (which I normally never do for any game, at least since the year 2005) and kinda skipped out on playing TEW16 for the last years. Relatively speaking, I barely played it compared to 13/10/08. If I have to settle for going back to TEW16, I guess I'll have to make peace with it. </p><p> </p><p>

Several people complain about the changed features. Personally I think they are fine, but it's not up to me to tell people what to like. I don't like road agents counting for national battles, and I doubt it'll change, but some things you just have to swallow. It won't be a dealbreaker. If anything: you can very easily exploit it. But anyone has their dealbreakers. Immersion's mine. And if the release ends up having (1) pointless financial management (2) repetitive booking (3) pointless locker room morale, and I can't tinker with these to my liking, I'll find it hard to like, no matter how awesome any other additions will be.</p>

[nerodragomir1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jp49er80" data-cite="jp49er80" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Opinions are great. <p> </p><p> </p><p> I genuinely don't see an issue with the new push system or booking. Screen design? Sure. I hate the segment move arrows. What do you think is wrong with the push system? </p><p> </p><p> Product System for me is always going to be one of those things that people go back and forth over. I personally don't care about custom products, but I get why some people might. The thing is, wasn't it always known that this was going to be the way it is?</p><p> </p><p> If it doesn't work for you, great. But people keep hammering the same points. Surely it becomes repetitive at some point?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> For me, it's the fact that it feels more limiting than 2016. I feel like I have less choice, this may all just be a placebo effect of only having like 5 different pushes, but it feels like I have less options to work with when booking. Before I had: Main event, Upper Midcard, Midcard, Lower Midcard, Opener, Enhancement talent then occasional wrestler. In my brain, that feels like way more choice, more organized as well. How in 2020 am I supposed to know if a guy is occasional? He is looked at all the same in terms of world view. </p><p> </p><p> I like the idea of the new system, it just removes the option of me overpushing someone. I used to be able to take a guy with 10 pop & label him as a main eventer, even if he wasn't. Now I can't do that. It just limits my freedom to do whatever stupid thing I want. It plays into people disliking the removal of sandbox. I want the option of being dumb & overpushing someone that has no right being a main eventer. I get the new push system, I don't hate it in concept. I find it unappealing in execution though.</p><p> </p><p> But let me say this one last thing about it. I get where he's coming from, I'd assume Adam is attempting to stop people from gaming the system. I just find it limiting. If it had more options, & had an actual occasional option as well, to let me know who is & isn't occasional, i'd be cooler with it. Right now I have no clue how to find out who is occasional & who isn't. I can live with how it's implemented though. That's one of the least of my issues with the game.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="nerodragomir1" data-cite="nerodragomir1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>For me, it's the fact that it feels more limiting than 2016. I feel like I have less choice, this may all just be a placebo effect of only having like 5 different pushes, but it feels like I have less options to work with when booking. Before I had: Main event, Upper Midcard, Midcard, Lower Midcard, Opener, Enhancement talent then occasional wrestler. In my brain, that feels like way more choice, more organized as well. How in 2020 am I supposed to know if a guy is occasional? He is looked at all the same in terms of world view. <p> </p><p> I like the idea of the new system, it just removes the option of me overpushing someone. I used to be able to take a guy with 10 pop & label him as a main eventer, even if he wasn't. Now I can't do that. It just limits my freedom to do whatever stupid thing I want. It plays into people disliking the removal of sandbox. I want the option of being dumb & overpushing someone that has no right being a main eventer. I get the new push system, I don't hate it in concept. I find it unappealing in execution though.</p><p> </p><p> But let me say this one last thing about it. I get where he's coming from, I'd assume Adam is attempting to stop people from gaming the system. I just find it limiting. If it had more options, & had an actual occasional option as well, to let me know who is & isn't occasional, i'd be cooler with it. Right now I have no clue how to find out who is occasional & who isn't. I can live with how it's implemented though. That's one of the least of my issues with the game.</p></div></blockquote><p> To be fair, you can still push people however you want. If you put your midcarder over your world champion, it's a push.</p>

[pat666]

For me, it's the fact that it feels more limiting than 2016. I feel like I have less choice, this may all just be a placebo effect of only having like 5 different pushes, but it feels like I have less options to work with when booking. Before I had: Main event, Upper Midcard, Midcard, Lower Midcard, Opener, Enhancement talent then occasional wrestler. In my brain, that feels like way more choice, more organized as well. How in 2020 am I supposed to know if a guy is occasional? He is looked at all the same in terms of world view.

 

I like the idea of the new system, it just removes the option of me overpushing someone. I used to be able to take a guy with 10 pop & label him as a main eventer, even if he wasn't. Now I can't do that. It just limits my freedom to do whatever stupid thing I want. It plays into people disliking the removal of sandbox. I want the option of being dumb & overpushing someone that has no right being a main eventer. I get the new push system, I don't hate it in concept. I find it unappealing in execution though.

 

But let me say this one last thing about it. I get where he's coming from, I'd assume Adam is attempting to stop people from gaming the system. I just find it limiting. If it had more options, & had an actual occasional option as well, to let me know who is & isn't occasional, i'd be cooler with it. Right now I have no clue how to find out who is occasional & who isn't. I can live with how it's implemented though. That's one of the least of my issues with the game.

 

The new system is more real for me. The fans decides the push honestly in real life. You can force them a worker, and eventually they will make him a star/major star. But fans wants the see the more popular wrestler. I played a 2005 TNA Game and struggled alot as I had no star (only 2-3) and makes that game so fun, as I have to build a roster...)

 

Also for occasional wrestler, even if they are occasional for you, they will still be a 'Major Star, Star etc' in the eyes of the fans. So you'll know where to place that worker on your card.

 

That's my opinion.

[Self]

I like the idea of the new system, it just removes the option of me overpushing someone. I used to be able to take a guy with 10 pop & label him as a main eventer, even if he wasn't. Now I can't do that. It just limits my freedom to do whatever stupid thing I want. It plays into people disliking the removal of sandbox. I want the option of being dumb & overpushing someone that has no right being a main eventer. I get the new push system, I don't hate it in concept. I find it unappealing in execution though.

 

He didn't take away the option, he took away the labels. You can still choose any character and book them in main events, whether they're worthy or not. It's just removed the labelling. Which in some regards I feel is much better, removing needless clicks and busy work. It seems like most players (but not all, granted) just hit Auto-Push on auto-pilot after every show to have the game tell them where everyone 'should' be, so this gets rid of those clicks. They're just meaningless labels (a percentage point penalty here and there, I guess). The sandbox still exists.

 

My current best matches are coming from a Well Known and an Unimportant. Pushing to the moon!

[Eastshire]

I like the idea of the new system, it just removes the option of me overpushing someone. I used to be able to take a guy with 10 pop & label him as a main eventer, even if he wasn't. Now I can't do that. It just limits my freedom to do whatever stupid thing I want. It plays into people disliking the removal of sandbox. I want the option of being dumb & overpushing someone that has no right being a main eventer. I get the new push system, I don't hate it in concept. I find it unappealing in execution though.

 

What? There's literally nothing stopping you from doing exactly that. It's easier than ever because you don't have to put the main eventer label on him. Just book him last on the card and have him go over everyone.

 

The only difference is you get better feedback from your fans on whether the guy is Daniel Bryan or Roman Reigns.

[TeemuFoundation]

Yea, there's a lot I don't care for about 2020, but I feel like perceptions is something people misunderstand a lot. You can still push whoever you want.

[pat666]

Yea, there's a lot I don't care for about 2020, but I feel like perceptions is something people misunderstand a lot. You can still push whoever you want.

 

Exactly,

You will still piss off a worker if he has to loose to someone with alot less pop. Thats what i do with old guys i want to fire.

^^

[Questlove]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how much more variety in the matches the AI is now capable of? I was going through the results of an IPW show (I was playing CZCW) and one of them was a 3 on 3 Tables match. And I'm like, "Wait, that's not even in the default database, is it?!?"

 

 

Gotta love that variety

[nerodragomir1]

for occasional wrestler, even if they are occasional for you, they will still be a 'Major Star, Star etc' in the eyes of the fans. So you'll know where to place that worker on your card.

 

That's my opinion.

 

I get that, I'm only thinking of guys like Taker in that respect. I get he's a major star. I just don't want to see him being suggested to me in the top spot of the companies perception chart. He is occasional so he shouldn't be shown to me in the slot that my brain sees as main eventer. It just makes occasional kind of pointless because it doesn't say if they are, or aren't occasional on the booking screen. It's more of an organizational thing for me.

 

I shouldn't have mentioned the push aspect. It's not really a concern for me. I only mean't it like an example of why I liked 2016 more. I could organize the push how I wanted. I could label him as a main eventer at all times. It was more of me being able to set him how I wanted. I know in reality, I can push him to become a main eventer/major star, but in the meantime, he is realistically just an opener/unrecognizable. My main point about pushes is the occasional thing, again, more about organizing, not the system itself. Because what's the point of "occasional wrestler" is kind of gone now in an organizational standpoint.

[pat666]

I get that, I'm only thinking of guys like Taker in that respect. I get he's a major star. I just don't want to see him being suggested to me in the top spot of the companies perception chart. He is occasional so he shouldn't be shown to me in the slot that my brain sees as main eventer. It just makes occasional kind of pointless because it doesn't say if they are, or aren't occasional on the booking screen. It's more of an organizational thing for me.

 

 

But if I look a undertaker, he's in the top 3 of their biggest stars.

 

Lesnar

Taker

Reigns

 

That's how i put it.

[tryker2710]

But if I look a undertaker, he's in the top 3 of their biggest stars.

 

Lesnar

Taker

Reigns

 

That's how i put it.

 

It's definitely Lesnar, Taker, Cena. Reigns is nowhere near touching those three in terms of drawing power

[pat666]

It's definitely Lesnar, Taker, Cena. Reigns is nowhere near touching those three in terms of drawing power

 

Damn, I forgot about cena.

Imagine, their 3 biggest star, all occasional workers.

 

That proves my point.

[nerodragomir1]

But if I look a undertaker, he's in the top 3 of their biggest stars.

 

Lesnar

Taker

Reigns

 

That's how i put it.

 

I get that. This isn't really what I was trying to focus on, it's more of just something my brain sees as weird. My brain doesn't want to see Taker being suggested to me in 2020 on every show in what my head sees as the main eventer/major star role is all I'm saying. Taker is like Santa Clause, only shows up once a year. Yet I will see him in the main eventer/major star role every week for the entire year. That's what messes with my head. It comes down to maybe just a weird thing with me. Heck, I don't know. It just doesn't seem right for me. Maybe I'm alone on wanting a more organized look. It's a small thing compared to other, way more important issues.

 

I said earlier this isn't really something even on my list of concerns about 2020. Just an observation I was thinking about.

[nerodragomir1]

Damn, I forgot about cena.

Imagine, their 3 biggest star, all occasional workers.

 

That proves my point.

 

Haha yeah, those guys do certainly fit into an occasional workers role. Too bad they show up at the top of my search option all year long & not somewhere else.

[TeemuFoundation]

Well, if it annoys you, then it annoys you. I'm not gonna be one of those people here who attack others for not liking TEW 2020. Everyone has their own tastes and takes.

[nerodragomir1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, if it annoys you, then it annoys you. I'm not gonna be one of those people here who attack others for not liking TEW 2020. Everyone has their own tastes and takes.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's not something that kills me. I was only just bringing it up that it's on my list of things I find weird. I really shouldn't have mentioned it. It's a really minor thing that ultimately doesn't matter.</p>

[tryker2710]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="nerodragomir1" data-cite="nerodragomir1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Haha yeah, those guys do certainly fit into an occasional workers role. Too bad they show up at the top of my search option all year long & not somewhere else.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The one thing I will say is that the system is organised, it is just changed with regards to how it's organised. We've just gone from being show who is objectively the most popular active wrestlers, and then women and then occasionals, to being shown all of the wrestlers in terms of how likely they are to pop a crowd.</p><p> </p><p> It takes some getting used to but it is just a different system of organisation rather than a lack of it</p>

[Eastshire]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="nerodragomir1" data-cite="nerodragomir1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I get that. This isn't really what I was trying to focus on, it's more of just something my brain sees as weird. My brain doesn't want to see Taker being suggested to me in 2020 on every show in what my head sees as the main eventer/major star role is all I'm saying. Taker is like Santa Clause, only shows up once a year. Yet I will see him in the main eventer/major star role every week for the entire year. That's what messes with my head. It comes down to maybe just a weird thing with me. Heck, I don't know. It just doesn't seem right for me. Maybe I'm alone on wanting a more organized look. It's a small thing compared to other, way more important issues.<p> </p><p> I said earlier this isn't really something even on my list of concerns about 2020. Just an observation I was thinking about.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Having people with occasional wrestlers sorted to their own tab rather than in with regular perceptions sounds like a pretty solid suggestion to me.</p>

[tormyb]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="nerodragomir1" data-cite="nerodragomir1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I shouldn't have mentioned the push aspect. It's not really a concern for me. I only mean't it like an example of why I liked 2016 more. I could organize the push how I wanted. I could label him as a main eventer at all times. It was more of me being able to set him how I wanted. I know in reality, I can push him to become a main eventer/major star, but in the meantime, he is realistically just an opener/unrecognizable. My main point about pushes is the occasional thing, again, more about organizing, not the system itself. Because what's the point of "occasional wrestler" is kind of gone now in an organizational standpoint.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You mentioning an organizational standpoint has definitely resonated with me. I'm still at a point where I'm undecided on TEW 2020. I am optimistic for the upcoming design changes, and definitely think that there are some good new features, but the game hasn't clicked for me yet. I think a lot of that is about the fact that my old ways of organising things in my head no longer match the organisation/processes of the game.</p><p> </p><p> Now, this tends to happen to me once per year when Football Manager comes out. I dislike the UI or some change that has been made when I first play the game, then after getting used to it, I stop caring or even like the feature that I instinctively disliked. A lot of that is a result of me wanting improvements - which fundamentally change the game - and then wanting to be able to play the game in my head as if it was the old one (just magically better, without any knock on effects for the bits that I'm used to).</p><p> </p><p> There have been some games that really grow on me, once I get my head around how they are played/organised, that I took quite strongly against in advance. I love Football Manager, but I tend to hate it for a few days every year. Then again, some games that I expect to love never grow on me.</p><p> </p><p> I guess what I'm trying to say is - I can't really commit to a viewpoint on the game at the moment - because I don't think I've got me head around it organisationally yet.</p><p> </p><p> Maybe I will "get it" very soon. Maybe I won't. That being said, take anything I say with a whole bucket of salt, because I bet my opinions on nearly everything will change a hell of a lot over the coming weeks.</p>

[Self]

<p>Undertaker should be perceived as a Major Star, but should be signed to a Contract as an Occasional Wrestler only. In 2020 he should probably have really bad resilience and weak body condition (so he'd get hurt if used more than rarely) with whatever attribute stops him from retiring. </p><p> </p><p>

Occasional Wrestlers really should complain if used more than sporadically. I hire Art Reed all the time, as an Occasional, and he's on every show with no issue. If I was him I'd be pissed.</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Questlove" data-cite="Questlove" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><img alt="xqvtNls.jpg" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/xqvtNls.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Gotta love that variety <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They had a tables match at Clash Classic in my game! <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[TeemuFoundation]

Isn't Occasional Wrestler only for people set to retire? I believe the 2016 handbook states this. So, since Taker is never retiring apparently, Occasional Wrestler wouldn't be correct. I think.

[southside_hitmen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Questlove" data-cite="Questlove" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><img alt="xqvtNls.jpg" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/xqvtNls.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Gotta love that variety <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> C'mon, everyone loves a best of 11 series. Very balanced booking as well.</p>