Real world examples of broadcasters + cable/terrestrial mixup?

[xzommer]

<p>The new broadcaster types/styles is a bit confusing to me. Can someone provide real world examples of each one?</p><p> </p><p>

Terrestrial is the main one I don't know. I always thought terrestrial was just a setup of antennas and a box, over-the-air. So, terrestrial free-to-air and terrestrial commercial makes sense. But how can there be a terrestrial subscription or a terrestrial pay-per-view? In CornellVerse, there's no terrestrial subscription broadcasters, and only 1 terrestrial pay-per-view broadcaster. Maybe, since I'm from the US, I'm unfamiliar with those?</p><p> </p><p>

Because on a related note, in CornellVerse, there's only 3 cable commercial broadcasters. The vast majority are instead labeled as terrestrial commercial. Is this because Adam and most of the team lives in Europe and simply forgot about the US? Because here in the US, all of terrestrial got converted to cable boxes back in 2009.</p><p> </p><p>

Also, cable subscription and internet commercial I can't recall any real world examples of. Cable subscription sounds a bit misleading, but, is that for individual channels not usually thrown onto a plan?</p><p> </p><p>

Here's a list of everything for convenience sake. Note that I'm from the US and so other country examples might go over my head:</p><p> </p><p>

</p><ul><li>Terrestrial Pay-Per-View | ?<br /></li><li>Terrestrial Commercial | I'm assuming is the Europe equivalent of Cable Commercial?<br /></li><li>Terrestrial Free-To-Air | I'm assuming is the Europe equivalent of Cable Free-To-Air?<br /></li><li>Terrestrial Subscription | ?<br /></li><li>Cable Pay-Per-View | HBO/Showtime/Starz, pricey PPV channels<br /></li><li>Cable Commercial | ESPN/MTV/FOX, the usual TV channels with advertisements between shows<br /></li><li>Cable Free-To-Air | Locally owned regional channels that don't have sponsors usually<br /></li><li>Cable Subscription | Specific TV channels that have to be bought individually?<br /></li><li>Internet Pay-Per-View | Fite, am not familiar with any other internet PPV services<br /></li><li>Internet Commercial | ?<br /></li><li>Internet Free-To-Air | YouTube/Vimeo/YouPorn, basically any website that hosts videos for free<br /></li><li>Internet Subscription | WWE Network/Netflix/Hulu, the usual popular streaming services</li></ul><p></p>

[pantaloons]

<p>Cable subscription would be like HBO or Cinemax.</p><p> </p><p>

Terrestrial Pay-Per-View and Terrestrial Subscription, I can't think of any real life versions of this.</p>

[James Casey]

<p>Adam covered the thinking behind the broad array of types in the developer journal, specifically at <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2343609&postcount=30" rel="external nofollow">http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2343609&postcount=30</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48096" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The types of broadcasters have been expanded; there are still Pay-Per-View, Commercial, Free-To-Air, and Subscription, but each of those now has three versions, Terrestrial, Cable, and Internet. So that makes twelve in total. (I'm not sure there's actually such a thing as Terrestrial PPV in reality, but it would actually be more work to take it out, so I've left it in - it might be useful to someone somewhere down the line.)<p> </p><p> The difference between the three new sets is one of power. Terrestrial offer the greater revenue sources but are the most demanding and hardest to negotiate with, whereas Internet broadcasters offer the least revenue per viewer but are pretty undemanding. This adds in a new layer of strategy when it comes to choosing who to deal with, as well as allowing things like iPPV to be properly simulated.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While the CVerse is close to our own world, it's not meant to be an exact replica, so things may work a little differently there.</p><p> </p><p> Cable subscription would be a wholly separate channel over and above any other cable deal, I believe. Here in the UK, for example, several football clubs have their own TV channels - and long, long ago Vince McMahon was considering the WWE Network as a TV channel that <em>just</em> aired WWE programming (and probably infomercials overnight).</p>

[Arber]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="pantaloons" data-cite="pantaloons" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48096" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cable subscription would be like HBO or Cinemax.<p> </p><p> Terrestrial Pay-Per-View and Terrestrial Subscription, I can't think of any real life versions of this.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I could be wrong but I would assume that ITV's PPV service here in the UK would be Terrestrial PPV?</p>

[Kitarzu]

Fite is also subscription. With AEW Plus you can watch live and on demand Dynamite and Dark (also available on Youtube).

[LloydCross]

<p>HBO/Showtime/Starz are subscription, not PPV. Cable PPV is usually directly through your TV provider. I don't think it's very popular now except for maybe Video on Demand movies.</p><p> </p><p>

Internet Commercial would be something like going onto the Fox website, but having to log in with a TV provider to watch the thing. Maybe CBS Access, but I think that is actually a subscription service.</p>

[Kitarzu]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arber" data-cite="Arber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48096" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I could be wrong but I would assume that ITV's PPV service here in the UK would be Terrestrial PPV?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think yes, but isn't it gone? AEW now stream on PPV on Fite.</p>

[Kitarzu]

<p>Actually Youtube is both free and commercial, especially when you watch certain videos on official channels.</p><p> </p><p>

HBO and Showtime have also boxing PPV, well HBO not anymore.</p><p> </p><p>

Terrestrial PPV and Subscription are available in Europe.</p><p> </p><p>

For example sky in Italy has Commercial, Subscription, PPV on Terrestrial, Cable (also Satellite) and Internet platforms. Cable in these times has become a resource to avoid too much internet traffic.</p><p> </p><p>

Yes, Cable Subscription could mean a single channel or as said before a bundle/plan.</p>

[ThePastor]

<p></p><ul><li>Terrestrial Pay-Per-View | I don’t think this exists anymore but I think back in the 70s you may have been able to order PPV over auxillary <br /></li><li>Terrestrial Commercial | Also known as “Network TV”. FOX, ABC and a few others come with just an antenna, they require no active cable/satellite provider.<br /></li><li>Terrestrial Free-To-Air | Something like PBS which airs without commercials.<br /></li><li>Terrestrial Subscription | EDIT: I guess it exists in Europe?<br /></li><li>Cable Pay-Per-View | HBO/Showtime PPV <br /></li><li>Cable Commercial | ESPN/MTV the usual TV channels with advertisements between <br /></li><li>Cable Free-To-Air | Locally owned regional channels, they may play high school sports on those channels <br /></li><li>Cable Subscription | HBO/Starz/Cinemax/Showtime <br /></li><li>Internet Pay-Per-View | ESPN+ is the biggest one right now <br /></li><li>Internet Commercial | Twitch<br /></li><li>Internet Free-To-Air | YouTube<br /></li><li>Internet Subscription | WWE Network/Netflix/Hulu, the usual popular streaming services</li></ul><p></p>

[Kitarzu]

As coverage I think DAZN is the biggest now worldwide, and it was the reason HBO Boxing on PPV was closed. It now airs Smackdown and RAW live in Germany, Austria and Switzerland.

 

Speaking of bad internet connection, for three years from 2018-2019 to 2021-2022 in Italy DAZN has two auxiliary channels in the SKY Italy plan to show the three weekly Serie A games they are producing. Last year that was an outrage because people cannot see the games or because they neighbor was five minutes in advance.

[xzommer]

• Terrestrial Pay-Per-View | I don’t think this exists anymore but I think back in the 70s you may have been able to order PPV over auxillary
  
• Terrestrial Commercial | Also known as “Network TV”. FOX, ABC and a few others come with just an antenna, they require no active cable/satellite provider.
  
• Terrestrial Free-To-Air | Something like PBS which airs without commercials.
  
• Terrestrial Subscription | EDIT: I guess it exists in Europe?
  
• Cable Pay-Per-View | HBO/Showtime PPV
  
• Cable Commercial | ESPN/MTV the usual TV channels with advertisements between
  
• Cable Free-To-Air | Locally owned regional channels, they may play high school sports on those channels
  
• Cable Subscription | HBO/Starz/Cinemax/Showtime
  
• Internet Pay-Per-View | ESPN+ is the biggest one right now
  
• Internet Commercial | Twitch
  
• Internet Free-To-Air | YouTube
  
• Internet Subscription | WWE Network/Netflix/Hulu, the usual popular streaming services

 

Aye, thank you for grouping it all. Despite needing a cable box here in the US, FOX and NBC etc would still be considered terrestial, then? Since you can access those without purchasing a service provider like Spectrum, Time Warner etc?

 

And yeah, thanks everyone for the PPV clear up. I completely forgot that events weren't usually hosted on a always-on provider, but rather when the option is actually avaiable. So, in a real world mod, would the actual provider such as Spectrun and Time Warner be labeled as commercial pay-per-view? And the always-on providers such as HBO and Starz be labeled as commercial subscription?

 

Also, for providers like HBO, where they have their internet subscription service and actual TV channel, multiple entries woukd have to be added in, in a real world mod?

[Bigpapa42]

• Terrestrial Pay-Per-View | I don’t think this exists anymore but I think back in the 70s you may have been able to order PPV over auxillary
  
• Terrestrial Commercial | Also known as “Network TV”. FOX, ABC and a few others come with just an antenna, they require no active cable/satellite provider.
  
• Terrestrial Free-To-Air | Something like PBS which airs without commercials.
  
• Terrestrial Subscription | EDIT: I guess it exists in Europe?
  
• Cable Pay-Per-View | HBO/Showtime PPV
  
• Cable Commercial | ESPN/MTV the usual TV channels with advertisements between
  
• Cable Free-To-Air | Locally owned regional channels, they may play high school sports on those channels
  
• Cable Subscription | HBO/Starz/Cinemax/Showtime
  
• Internet Pay-Per-View | ESPN+ is the biggest one right now
  
• Internet Commercial | Twitch
  
• Internet Free-To-Air | YouTube
  
• Internet Subscription | WWE Network/Netflix/Hulu, the usual popular streaming services

 

Very nice.

 

The difference between cable and terrestrial for stuff like subscription, I imagine, would be whether you can access that channel without a cable package. It might have changed over time, but I don't believe you could get HBO without a cable package for a long time.

 

Cable free-to-air would make sense exactly as you say - a channel you get as part of a cable package that airs local content for free. Its free to air because they aren't paying for that content.

 

I'm curious if terrestrial PPV was ever a thing. Like before cable boxes were common, were you able to order PPVs through aux or phone line?

 

My perception isn't necessarily that the options all represent the way that things currently are in the real world, or were in the past. But options which could exist.

[Kitarzu]

I think yes because now broadcasters are multiplatform, especially outside their home country.

 

Just look at the wikipedia HBO and HBO International pages.

 

http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBO

 

http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBO_(international)

 

@ Bigpapa42 I'm curious if terrestrial PPV was ever a thing. Like before cable boxes were common, were you able to order PPVs through aux or phone line? Yes it was. I lost the count how many WWE PPVs I ordered on the phone.

[Lex Star]

Adam covered the thinking behind the broad array of types in the developer journal, specifically at http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2343609&postcount=30

 

 

 

While the CVerse is close to our own world, it's not meant to be an exact replica, so things may work a little differently there.

 

Cable subscription would be a wholly separate channel over and above any other cable deal, I believe. Here in the UK, for example, several football clubs have their own TV channels - and long, long ago Vince McMahon was considering the WWE Network as a TV channel that just aired WWE programming (and probably infomercials overnight).

 

The WWE Network in Canada is actually a TV Channel. You get access to the online portion too, but you add it as a channel to your cable package and I can access it like any other TV channel, I think the TV Channel is just the online network's "live stream"

[KevinStorm]

People not knowing what terrestrial is makes me feel old. It's an over-the-air broadcast you can pick up with an antenna. CBS, NBC, ABC, and Fox all have terrestrial affiliates. The station names usually start with W if they're east of the Mississippi River or K if they're on the west. So where I live, I have WLTX, for example, which I think is CBS. These were all anyone had before cable became a thing.

[xzommer]

People not knowing what terrestrial is makes me feel old. It's an over-the-air broadcast you can pick up with an antenna. CBS, NBC, ABC, and Fox all have terrestrial affiliates. The station names usually start with W if they're east of the Mississippi River or K if they're on the west. So where I live, I have WLTX, for example, which I think is CBS. These were all anyone had before cable became a thing.

 

Yes of course, but the confusion came from the different terms in TEW. Initally, I thought free-to-air meant channels like that. But then I realized, the game is referring to the content itself (no commercials or sponsors), thus, local regional channels are free-to-air.

 

Also confusing is the fact that the US doesn't have terrestrial anymore, but in TEW terms, those channels are considered terrastrial. I thought maybe they'd be instead lumped with the cable commercial channels.

 

I have also never heard of a terrestrial PPV before. All PPVs ordered by phone were transmitted thru the cable box. Someone earlier said they ordered many WWE PPVs by phone, but, wouldn't that just be a signal sent thru the cable line and not broadcasted via antenna?

[Thane of Fife]

I have also never heard of a terrestrial PPV before. All PPVs ordered by phone were transmitted thru the cable box. Someone earlier said they ordered many WWE PPVs by phone, but, wouldn't that just be a signal sent thru the cable line and not broadcasted via antenna?

 

According to Wikipedia, there was some degree of PPV over phone lines:

 

While most pay-per-view services were delivered via cable, there were a few over-the-air pay TV stations that offered pay-per-view broadcasts in addition to regularly scheduled broadcasts of movies and other entertainment. These stations, which operated for a few years in Chicago, Los Angeles and some other cities, broadcast "scrambled" signals that required descrambler devices to convert the signal into standard broadcast format. These services were marketed as ON-TV.

 

See here for the article.

[Travis]

I think we could use Terrestrial PPV to simulate closed circuit ppv’s like the first couple Wrestlemanias and Starrcades.