January 1991 Peaking Tides [Release]

[JamHead]

Removed.

[LordofGustav]

<p>Before i come out for a brief suggestion i would like to ask you...</p><p> </p><p>

Did you request permission from justtxyank to convert his mod?</p>

[Shianne_EB]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LordofGustav" data-cite="LordofGustav" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Before i come out for a brief suggestion i would like to ask you...<p> </p><p> Did you request permission from justtxyank to convert his mod?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He received permission from justtxyank over on Discord. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Everything is all good here, guys.</p>

[JamHead]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CreeperGav" data-cite="CreeperGav" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He received permission from justtxyank over on Discord. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Everything is all good here, guys.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yep. I spoke with justtxyank a day or two after the demo came out. I've been working on this ever since.</p>

[JackH2020]

Hey thanks for this, a few years out from the save I have in mind but beggars can hardly be choosers so close to release! Gonna sim through 3 or 4 years and see how it looks so will provide some feedback.

[LordofGustav]

<p>Good enough. Here it goes.</p><p> </p><p>

I should put Dave Finlay as Better as a Heel, instead of 100% Heel.</p><p> </p><p>

That's all that i have for now.</p>

[Arber]

<p>Thanks for this! I was a big fan of Justtxyank's work, and I'm sure you've done this mod justice.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="JackH2020" data-cite="JackH2020" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey thanks for this, a few years out from the save I have in mind but beggars can hardly be choosers so close to release! Gonna sim through 3 or 4 years and see how it looks so will provide some feedback.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This gives me an idea to sim up to September 1995 and then start the Monday Night War with the game how it has set up to then <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[pantaloons]

Small thing, but Brian Pillman is set as Can't Play Weasely/Underdog. This seems wrong, he was great as a weasely heel in the Hollywood Blonds.

[JackH2020]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arber" data-cite="Arber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks for this! I was a big fan of Justtxyank's work, and I'm sure you've done this mod justice.<p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> This gives me an idea to sim up to September 1995 and then start the Monday Night War with the game how it has set up to then <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, it's probably going to be more of an experiment than a long term save but that's my plan, almost through the first year now, gonna stop it and take a look.</p>

[JamHead]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LordofGustav" data-cite="LordofGustav" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Good enough. Here it goes.<p> </p><p> I should put Dave Finlay as Better as a Heel, instead of 100% Heel.</p><p> </p><p> That's all that i have for now.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's fair. I went ahead and made the change myself.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="pantaloons" data-cite="pantaloons" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Small thing, but Brian Pillman is set as Can't Play Weasely/Underdog. This seems wrong, he was great as a weasely heel in the Hollywood Blonds.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've made this change as well. </p><p> </p><p> I've got an update coming a little later today. HUGE broadcaster update that implements Asaemon's broadcaster mod, ropacm's OtherTVShows mod, and a few various minor tweaks. </p><p> </p><p> It will be sooner rather than later if I can get Tod Gordon to finally open ECW.<img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[JamHead]

Hey thanks for this, a few years out from the save I have in mind but beggars can hardly be choosers so close to release! Gonna sim through 3 or 4 years and see how it looks so will provide some feedback.

 

Once I have a final release of '91 I'll be tackling '92. From there I'll either work on the '92 alternate universe mod I've been thinking about or continue the '92 into '93. Depending on how ambitious I am.

[TouchMeTwice]

Once I have a final release of '91 I'll be tackling '92. From there I'll either work on the '92 alternate universe mod I've been thinking about or continue the '92 into '93. Depending on how ambitious I am.

 

Looking forward to this!

[Arber]

HUGE broadcaster update that implements Asaemon's broadcaster mod

 

There's a broadcaster mod? I can't seem to find it. Any chance you have a link?

[JackH2020]

<p>Simmed through to October 93 so far, will do a more in depth post tomorrow but it looks to be shaping up kind of amazing for the Monday Night Wars. WWF definitely has the lead still and has had quite a few more 90+ shows but on the whole it looks like WCW is picking up more steam, they've had a more consistent product and are crushing them in terms of the signings! Bret left last year after seemingly being wasted by the WWF and is getting a real push. They've picked up the likes of Eddie Guerrero and Cactus Jack and have definitely closed the gap in popularity.</p><p> </p><p>

Really interested to see if they can take a lead in the next few years. I'm a little tempted to send over Hogan to really give them a hand but I think I'll give it another year or two and then make a couple changes before joining as WWF booker. I want that utter garbage roster of around Jan 96.</p>

[JamHead]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arber" data-cite="Arber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's a broadcaster mod? I can't seem to find it. Any chance you have a link?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I added a link on the main post.</p><p> </p><p> Also, the data has been updated. Enjoy.</p>

[bamjunior177]

best time period <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> i was like 8 lol

[Spectre]

Thank you so much for doing this! My favorite mod time period.

 

*Edit: Skimmed through the WCW roster and had some attribute thoughts:

 

Arn Anderson - Bad Ass Reputation, Future Road Agent, Giving Performer, Loves The Business, Passes On Knowledge, Professional

Barry Windham - Itchy Feet (always bouncing around)

Bobby Eaton - Desperado, Easy To Do Business With, Giving Performer, Loyal, Passes On Knowledge, People Person, Poor Comedy Matches, Positive Outlook, Tag Team Specialist (usually described as one of the favorites of everyone in the locker room)

Brad Armstrong - Future Road Agent, Loyal, Unmarketable

Brian Pillman - High Pain Threshold, Stud Athlete (NFL, kept wrestling with his destroyed ankle)

Buddy Lee Parker - Natural Trainer (gets a lot of credit for the WCW Power Plant)

Dan Spivey - Modelling Experience, Ahead Of Their Time (... really just thinking how ahead of its time Waylon Mercy was)

Diamond Dallas Page - Age Is Just A Number, Ahead Of Their Time, Driven, Fitness Fanatic, Healing Factor, Loyal, Natural Trainer (... he's DDP)

Dustin Rhodes - Wrestling In The Blood, Driven, Loves The Business, Prodigy, Creative (still going, everything with Goldust)

Dusty Rhodes - Fat Genes (poor Dusty)

El Gigante - Not A Natural (... yeah)

Grizzy Smith - Scumbag (known pedophile and garbage human being)

Harley Race - Natural Trainer (Harley Race's Wrestling Academy)

Jim Herd - Outside Interests, Money Motivated, Troublemaker (Pizza Hut and everything he did ever)

Jim Ross - Fat Genes, Loves The Business, Loyal, Story Teller, Wrestling In The Blood

Jimmy Garvin - Outside Interests (airline pilot)

Jody Hamilton - Natural Trainer, Unable To Wrestle Again (broke his back)

Junkyard Dog - Fat Genes, Easily Marketable, Relaxed (Junkfood Dog)

Kevin Nash - Movie Star, Notorious Ribber (played Shredder in TMNT2 in March 91)

Kevin Sullivan - Creative (gimmicks and booking)

Magnum TA - Unable To Wrestle Again (poor Magnum)

Michael Hayes - Future Personality, Story Teller, Party Animal ("Driven" seems like a bad personality for the lead Freebird)

Mike Rotundo - Future Road Agent, Wrestling In The Blood (currently a furloughed road agent for WWE)

Mike Shaw - Fat Genes (... umm)

Missy Hyatt - No Pregnancies (never had any kids despite her well publicized behavior)

Ole Anderson - Born Fighter, Extremely Old School, Money Motivated, Outside Interests (owned a lumber yard)

Paul Heyman - High Strung, Intense, Passes On Knowledge, Loves The Business (high strung seems like the best personality for, always about to sue you)

Ric Flair - Deep Roots, Dynamo, Giving Performer, Horndog (never leaving Charlotte, always made everyone look great)

Rick Steiner - Born Fighter, Stud Athlete, Tag Team Specialist

Ricky Morton - Age Is Just A Number, Giving Performer, Horndog, Tag Team Specialist, Wrestling In The Blood (still wrestling, famous for sleeping with fans)

Robert Gibson - Age Is Just A Number, Horndog, Tag Team Specialist, Wrestling In The Blood (still wrestling, famous for sleeping with fans)

Ron Simmons - Bad Ass Reputation, Stud Athlete (NFL)

Scott Armstrong - Future Road Agent (currently furloughed by WWE)

Scott Steiner - Born Fighter, Bodybuilder, Stud Athlete, Wrestling In The Blood

Sid Vicious - Easily Marketable, Has A Temper, Intense (that whole scissor thing)

Steve Disalvo - Money Motivated (from his time in Canada)

Sting - A Marketing Dream, Age Is Just A Number, Creative, Loyal, Wrestling In The Blood (WCW's second most marketable name, rumors of him wrestling in AEW now)

Terry Taylor - Future Personality, Future Road Agent (still working in WWE as a producer)

Tim Horner - Grifter (the stuff with Smokey Mountain)

Tom Zenk - Bodybuilder, Egomaniac, Money Motivated (everything I've heard about him)

Tony Schiavone - Wrestling In The Blood (I feel like Schiavone's always had a bad rap in these mods and his modern resurgence should be taken into account with his personality more. He's not really a troublemaker. Maybe Needy? In reality, he was just kind of a suckup, not a jerk.)

Tracy Smothers - Wrestling In The Blood (at least 15 matches in 2019!)

Vader - Wrestling In The Blood (wrestled up until his death)

 

I can skim over WWF's tomorrow if that's helpful.

 

Also, as a small note, I'd say that the Four Horsemen has to involve Arn Anderson, not Ric Flair. They were both always there, but I'd say Arn was *the* Horseman, which seems to be the common theme even to today, where it's Arn that owns the Horsemen name, and I'm willing to bet he brings the Horsemen back in AEW in the near future. Flair was the bigger name, but the Horsemen are Arn's.

[louis1016]

I noticed many modern wrestlers are not in the mod. Is there any chance of them being added with their debut dates?

[franticloser]

One thing I would suggest is to go through and uncheck the boxes for worker roles in each company. For example Arn currently has Wrestler, Occasional Wrestler, Road Agent, Manager, and Color Commentator. All checked, the way the game works now is those are only for what they currently are assigned for not what they could do. This is done with attributes as someone suggested already with Arn having him set with future Road Agent.

[JamHead]

Thank you so much for doing this! My favorite mod time period.

 

*Edit: Skimmed through the WCW roster and had some attribute thoughts:

 

Thank you. I'll take a look at it and anything I agree with will be in the next release.

 

I noticed many modern wrestlers are not in the mod. Is there any chance of them being added with their debut dates?

 

More concerned about getting it to play in the 90s and early 00s than the modern era. So maybe, but I'm not bogging down the database with workers that only a handful of players are going to get to.

 

One thing I would suggest is to go through and uncheck the boxes for worker roles in each company. For example Arn currently has Wrestler, Occasional Wrestler, Road Agent, Manager, and Color Commentator. All checked, the way the game works now is those are only for what they currently are assigned for not what they could do. This is done with attributes as someone suggested already with Arn having him set with future Road Agent.

 

That's been on the todo list, but wasn't anything game-breaking that couldn't be quickly done by the player on day one. Fine-tuning is in the near future.

[Spectre]

<p>From previous plays, I never understood why so few tag chemistries existed in the mod. It's really oddly selective - Like Nash and DDP have good chemistry, but the Road Warriors and Steiners don't? The Outsiders are pre-loaded with great chemistry for the later 90s, but none of the other great later 90s teams are there (Dudleys, Outlaws, Hardys, E&C).</p><p> </p><p>

Going off of the wrestlers in the database, I'd suggest adding all of the following for North American tag chemistry:</p><p> </p><p>

Great:</p><p>

Edge & Christian Cage (Edge & Christian, 2000 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Eddie Guerrero & Art Barr (Los Gringos Locos, 1994 WON Tag Team of the Year, Barr dies right after their 5* When Worlds Collide coming out party)</p><p>

Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard (The Brainbusters)</p><p>

Bobby Fulton & Tommy Rogers (The Fantastics, in Meltzer's debate for the greatest tag team match of all time)</p><p>

Bobby Eaton & Dennis Condrey (The Midnight Express, 1986 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Bobby Eaton & Stan Lane (The Midnight Express, 1987/88 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Terry Gordy & Steve Williams (The Miracle Violence Connection, 1992 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Chris Sabin & Alex Shelley (The Motor City Machine Guns)</p><p>

Road Warrior Animal & Road Warrior Hawk (The Road Warriors, 1984 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Rick Steiner & Scott Steiner (Steiner Brothers, 1990 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson (The Young Bucks, 2014/15/16/17/18 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Jay Briscoe & Mark Briscoe (Briscoe Brothers, 2007 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Frankie Kazarian & Christopher Daniels (The Addiction/Bad Influence/SCU, 2012 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Claudio Castagnoli & Chris Hero (Kings of Wrestling, 2010 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Shawn Michaels & Marty Jannetty (The Rockers, 1989 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Steve Austin & Brian Pillman (The Hollywood Blondes, 1993 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Eddie Guerrero & Chavo Guerrero (Los Guerreros, 2002 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Dynamite Kid & Davey Boy Smith (The British Bulldogs, 1985 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Chris Harris & James Storm (America's Most Wanted, 2005 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Homicide & Hernandez (Latin American Exchange, 2006 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

John Morrison & the Miz (2008 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p>

Davey Richards & Eddie Edwards (The American Wolves, 2009 WON Tag Team of the Year)</p><p> </p><p>

Good:</p><p>

Bill Eadie & Barry Darsow (Demolition)</p><p>

Stan Lane & Steve Keirn (The Fabulous Ones)</p><p>

John Tenta & Fred Ottman (The Natural Disasters)</p><p>

Brian Armstrong & Kip James (The New Age Outlaws)</p><p>

Charlie Haas & Shelton Benjamin (World's Greatest Tag Team)</p><p>

Kevin Steen & El Generico</p><p>

Kofi Kingston & Ettore Ewen (New Day)</p><p>

Jonathon Fatu & Joshua Fatu (The Usos)</p><p>

Ricky Morton & Robert Gibson (Rock 'n Roll Express)</p><p>

Matt Hardy & Jeff Hardy (The Hardy Boyz)</p><p>

Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart (The Hart Foundation)</p><p>

Devon Hughes & Mark LoMonaco (The Dudley Boys)</p><p>

Michael Hayes & Terry Gordy (The Fabulous Freebirds)</p>

[JamHead]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Spectre" data-cite="Spectre" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Going off of the wrestlers in the database, I'd suggest adding all of the following for North American tag chemistry:<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You are THE man. I already implemented most of your attribute suggestions. I'll take a look at WWF and tag chemistry tomorrow, but please feel free to leave your own suggestions. I'll most likely have another update late tomorrow.</p>

[LucasLutkus]

That was my favorite historical mod from TEW16! Glad to see it back!

[franticloser]

Terry Taylor, is listed as a face and part of The York Foundation being managed by Alexandra York. Terry Taylor wouldn't join until the end of the month when Mike Rotundo left to become IRS in the WWF. Probably better to not have the Foundation yet, have Wallstreet managed by York and leave it up to the player where it goes from there.

[Dawson41]

<p><strong>@JamHead</strong></p><p> I think you should contact Jaysin who's <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=546506" rel="external nofollow">working on the same mod</a> as you are.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Notes I made about this mod in the other thread:</p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dawson41" data-cite="Dawson41" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><ul><li> Make sure that Dave Taylor is only once in the game.<br /> <br /> <br /></li><li> Hogan - Earthquake and Rockers - Orient Express were two additional feuds in WWF going into 1991<br /> <br /> <br /></li><li> If you look at the house show attendance at that time, the debacle that was Starrcade 1990 and losing $6.5 - $7 million that year, WCW's popularity should actually be 10 (Mid Atlantic, South East) to 20 points (Tri State, Puerto Rico, Hawaii) lower than in the mod, the start money should be significantly lower, and perhaps 60 prestige and 30 momentum.<br /> <br /> <br /></li><li> Owen Hart took a short break and didn't wrestle until early March.<br /> <br /> <br /></li><li> I'm not sure if Hall & Nash were already friends at that point.</li></ul><p></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dawson41" data-cite="Dawson41" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="49480" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I got the impression that it's now possible to broad changes to the broadcasts including changing the size of them, so I'd like to contribute a few notes on the historic situation in Germany.<p> </p><p> </p><p> <em>(Maybe this should be moved to its own thread so other can contribute to this for historic accuracy and other mod makers can benefit from this)</em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Cable TV started in Germany on January 1st, 1984 with two channels: RTL plus (since November 1992 simply known as RTL) and PKS, which changed their name to Sat.1 in January 1985. (Sat.1, as well as the already exiting & established Terrestrial Free-To-Air ARD and ZDF, was never <em>not</em> Highly Against wrestling, btw)</p><p> </p><p> RTL was only available in 200,000 households, so it started as 'tiny'. In early 1986 RTL was available in 1.25 million households. They continued to grow in accessibility and popularity, and their marketshare went from 0.7% in 1986 to 18.9% in 1993 when they became and still are the most popular channel in Germany.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> From April 1989 until September 1991 WCW had a show on RTL that first aired at 11pm, later at 1.30am. What led to the cancellation would make a great anecdote in "Death of WCW" ... but anyway, the channel changed their Wrestling Stance during the 89-91 timeframe from <em>Neutral </em>to <em>Against </em>to <em>Highly Against</em>, and September 1991 was the last time wrestling would be seen on RTL.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> WWF Challenge aired on Tele 5. It started probably around fall of 1988 when the channel was still small. </p><p> </p><p> By 1991 Tele 5 was a medium-sized channel and the one hour WWF format aired from September 1990 on on Fridays at 9pm. WWF PPVs also aired on this commercial cable channel in that time slot, and it stayed that way until Tele 5 went off the air on New Years Eve 1992.</p><p> </p><p> At midnight Tele 5 was replaced by DSF, which immediately started to air WCW until the company went out of business in 2001. I'd rank DSF as a small-sized sports broadcast.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Three months later, in March 1993, RTL 2 started and that's where WWF found their new home. In the first year RTL 2 was small-sized and by 94 it became medium-sized. From March 93 until March 96 RTL 2 had a Pro Wrestling Stance, afterwards it was Against, and WWF also moved to DSF.</p></div></blockquote>