becconicolas Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I have a 3-hour show, I used 2 cool the crowd matches during the show, one before the main and co-main event, yet in te main event I still get the crowd burnout penalisation. How do I fix this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becconicolas Posted May 7, 2022 Author Share Posted May 7, 2022 I have a 3-hour show, I used 2 cool the crowd matches during the show, one before the main and co-main event, yet in te main event I still get the crowd burnout penalisation. How do I fix this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thevampire Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 It depends on what kind of other matches you use. example. If you use showstealer after showstealer in the first hour than the crowd is already burned out. before the cooldown match. I believe if the crowd is burned out they stay burned out after a cooldown match. But i am not sure about that. Also interview segments can hype your crowd up so thats something to take in consideration. i would say post some more info here or u can try to change stuff up in the rest off your card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becconicolas Posted May 7, 2022 Author Share Posted May 7, 2022 It depends on what kind of other matches you use. example. If you use showstealer after showstealer in the first hour than the crowd is already burned out. before the cooldown match. I believe if the crowd is burned out they stay burned out after a cooldown match. But i am not sure about that. Also interview segments can hype your crowd up so thats something to take in consideration. i would say post some more info here or u can try to change stuff up in the rest off your card. only other typo of match I use is technical mastercalss, and used it 1 time in this card in the ZSJ match. the main event had Kaito performing at a 90 and Aramais at an 85 the Myron reed match was calm the crowd as were the trios tag team match and the Josh Woods match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwulf25 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 only other typo of match I use is technical mastercalss, and used it 1 time in this card in the ZSJ match. the main event had Kaito performing at a 90 and Aramais at an 85 the Myron reed match was calm the crowd as were the trios tag team match and the Josh Woods match Try throwing in a slow build storytelling main event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 I'm guessing you're also booking things on your pre-show, so your overall show length is going longer than 210 minutes, which is the point where crowds start getting burned out due to show length. Keep your pre-show to less than 30 minutes and you will avoid your crowd being exhausted from sitting through such a long show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becconicolas Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 I'm guessing you're also booking things on your pre-show, so your overall show length is going longer than 210 minutes, which is the point where crowds start getting burned out due to show length. Keep your pre-show to less than 30 minutes and you will avoid your crowd being exhausted from sitting through such a long show. I did not book any pre shows. but I did go to 225 mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Templar Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 We're ignoring the most obvious of all solutions: turn off crowd burnout. I do that, but I turn off a lot of stuff usually since it's more about the Fantasy Booking aspect of the game for me. St.T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markw Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I did not book any pre shows. but I did go to 225 mins I think it's basically 180 minutes or you'll get burnout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francis86 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 You syr, is a genious. We're ignoring the most obvious of all solutions: turn off crowd burnout. I do that, but I turn off a lot of stuff usually since it's more about the Fantasy Booking aspect of the game for me. St.T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becconicolas Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 We're ignoring the most obvious of all solutions: turn off crowd burnout. I do that, but I turn off a lot of stuff usually since it's more about the Fantasy Booking aspect of the game for me. St.T Had no Idea I could do that, so Sr.T you save my save lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 We're ignoring the most obvious of all solutions: turn off crowd burnout. I do that, but I turn off a lot of stuff usually since it's more about the Fantasy Booking aspect of the game for me. St.T I do that too... Turn off all match aim requirements as well. If I want to throw one in, fine. I just don't want to be required to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenCycle Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 I do that too... Turn off all match aim requirements as well. If I want to throw one in, fine. I just don't want to be required to. The match aim requirements make the game more like a puzzle game to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinsmoker Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 Match Requirements are actually a great way to make sure that you keep certain divisions healthy lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocheBag Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 This has to be one of the most misunderstood things on these forums. Burnout has nothing to do with match types, it is strictly show length. The crowd starts to get burned out at 3.5 hours. Match aims, crowd heat, match types, ratings, etc, etc, all hve absolutely nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Match Requirements are actually a great way to make sure that you keep certain divisions healthy lol I think it’s probably the best idea as far products go. The issue is that products are far too rigid with them and kind of have overdone it to where it’s more restrictive than not. Your fanbase “should” want to see high spot matches if I’m running a promotion full of flashy, athletic wrestlers. On the other hand they wouldn’t kill the promotion off if one show was dedicated to technical wrestling for instance. Back on topic though, using 1 minute/minor angles is very key to maintaining a crowd without burning them out (with a full 5+ minute promo that scores in the 90+) or killing it with an intentional filler match (the bathroom break). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocheBag Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Back on topic though, using 1 minute/minor angles is very key to maintaining a crowd without burning them out (with a full 5+ minute promo that scores in the 90+) or killing it with an intentional filler match (the bathroom break). That's crowd management which is a different feature. Burnout is about show time and show time only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 I’m pretty sure you can burn a crowd out well before 3 hours, that’s just the point of no return. Most weekly tv shows are 2 hours and it’s still possible to have burnt out crowds if you’re not careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 I’m pretty sure you can burn a crowd out well before 3 hours, that’s just the point of no return. Most weekly tv shows are 2 hours and it’s still possible to have burnt out crowds if you’re not careful. The handbook states that burnout starts occurring at 3 hours and the longer it goes on, the worse the penalties get. 5 hours being significantly worse than shorter shows. If you can show a 2 hour tv show with zero dark matches and zero dark angles, that an audience is burned out, would love to see it. The crowd's level of "heat", which is what you're referring to in previous posts about placing angles and bathroom break matches between possible high scoring segments is the Crowd Management section of the handbook. Which as stated before by another poster has nothing to do with crowd burnout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocheBag Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 I’m pretty sure you can burn a crowd out well before 3 hours, that’s just the point of no return. Most weekly tv shows are 2 hours and it’s still possible to have burnt out crowds if you’re not careful. Nope. If your tv shows are getting burnout it's because of pre-show matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingster Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Back on topic though, using 1 minute/minor angles is very key to maintaining a crowd without burning them out (with a full 5+ minute promo that scores in the 90+) or killing it with an intentional filler match (the bathroom break). I'm pretty sure angles under four minutes or minor angles have no impact on crowd management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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