Jaysin Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) Not sure if this is salvageable, but found this pic of late 90s WCW ref corps. Very rarely do I see Scott Armstrong pics as a ref from this era. From left to right: Charles Robinson Scott Armstrong Billy Silverman Nick Patrick Mickey Jay/Henson Edited April 28 by Jaysin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 11 hours ago, Jaysin said: Not sure if this is salvageable, but found this pic of late 90s WCW ref corps. Very rarely do I see Scott Armstrong pics as a ref from this era. From left to right: Charles Robinson Scott Armstrong Billy Silverman Nick Patrick Mickey Jay/Henson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillVisionPlays Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Did I mess up the mod or is ECW supposed to be started in January 1992 with 2.5 million? Pretty sure 2.5 million is too much money for anytime in ECW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 4 hours ago, KillVisionPlays said: Did I mess up the mod or is ECW supposed to be started in January 1992 with 2.5 million? Pretty sure 2.5 million is too much money for anytime in ECW I think this has been discussed before, and yes 2.5m was too much but it was so they could expand within the game which doesn't run exactly the same as the real world. When ECW started they didn't pay for an arena (they did bar/club shows where they kept the ticket money and the bar would keep any drink money). The original ring was free as it was owned by Max Thrasher who in exchange for ring use would be booked on the shows so they got a ring and a wrestler for free essentially. Their announcer at the time wasn't paid, and neither was the person who dealt with the sound production (speakers etc were free). Tod Gordon confirmed he eventually pumped in $200,000 to expand so I will give them that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Minor thing, but Edge/Adam Copeland should debut in July 1992. He starts the game as available 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mark Smark Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Madusa being Italian was a work. She's clarified in her book and on her podcast that she's American. She should also have Career Woman. I tend to think a Driven personality and Fitness Fanatic are correct, and that even in 1992 she should have a Toned body type, but those are interpretations not facts. (On personality she seems more Lively in 2024 but accounts of her at the time stress her focus on being successful, winning championships, etc.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mildly_Amusing Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Hey, I finally got a chance to work on this so here is the GIF version of 3.1 Database: https://www.mediafire.com/file/9a036lj04oebe3z/V31Database.7z/file People: https://www.mediafire.com/file/vptumo4dskf4vii/V31People.7z/file Logos: https://www.mediafire.com/file/4ncksll3514wm8c/V31Logos.7z/file Remember to download the normal Belts, Etc file and then overwrite the logos with the GIF style ones! 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Mildly_Amusing said: Hey, I finally got a chance to work on this so here is the GIF version of 3.1 Database: https://www.mediafire.com/file/9a036lj04oebe3z/V31Database.7z/file People: https://www.mediafire.com/file/vptumo4dskf4vii/V31People.7z/file Logos: https://www.mediafire.com/file/4ncksll3514wm8c/V31Logos.7z/file Remember to download the normal Belts, Etc file and then overwrite the logos with the GIF style ones! Thank you for doing this. I will update the first post with these links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Kazarian posted this on facebook. Youngest picture I've ever seen of him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaw88 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 5/10/2024 at 8:37 PM, Fleisch said: Thank you for doing this. I will update the first post with these links. Looking good! Is there a jpg format? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted May 16 Author Share Posted May 16 53 minutes ago, shaw88 said: Looking good! Is there a jpg format? Thanks The original release was jpg format. The gif format is just a version of what was already released. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 On 5/15/2024 at 3:12 PM, Jaysin said: Kazarian posted this on facebook. Youngest picture I've ever seen of him. I take your young Kazarian and raise you one young Mark Malibu (Sterling) 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspymorten Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Fleisch said: I take your young Kazarian and raise you one young Mark Malibu (Sterling) Now that's a very smart looking Mark. lol Edited May 17 by raspymorten 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyCrasher Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 speaking of young pictures, you'll be delighted to know that the next update will have a young Frank Andersson. So he doesn't inexplicably look 60 any more Still looking for a young Steve Manelli (and masked Super Crazy) though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D16NJD16 Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 Thanks for your continued work on this. It's gone from "good" to "great because of years worth of hard work and updates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspymorten Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) All Japan's Champions Carnival and Real World Tag League aren't set to their respective events Edited May 20 by raspymorten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyCrasher Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, raspymorten said: All Japan's Champions Carnival and Real World Tag League aren't set to their respective events This has been noticed and will be fixed for next version 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightshadeex Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) Just bringing my expertise as I was looking for people I know. Hahahah Hakim Zane was born March 1980, and debuted in January 2009. Jake Something was born July 1989 and debuted in January 2010. Not massively important because who really plays 15+ year long games, but you never know. I'm looking forward to diving into this! Last time I played was the 2.1 version and I loved it! EDIT: I'm not trying to push anything on you, but I would recommend adding Doug Chevalier to the database. Otherwise known as the Canadian Destroyer. He was one of the three founders of Border City Wrestling, along with Scott D'Amore and Chuck Fader. My colleagues who were wrestling back then are adamant that he was a very important presence in a lot of their training and young days in pro wrestling. https://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=3009&name=Doug+Chevalier https://dead-wrestler-database.fandom.com/wiki/Doug_Chevalier Edited May 30 by Nightshadeex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted May 29 Author Share Posted May 29 18 hours ago, Nightshadeex said: Just bringing my expertise as I was looking for people I know. Hahahah Hakim Zane was born March 1980, and debuted in January 2009. Jake Something was born July 1989 and debuted in January 2010. Not massively important because who really plays 15+ year long games, but you never know. I'm looking forward to diving into this! Last time I played was the 2.1 version and I loved it! As much as I am going to hate doing this... Birthdates and Debuts are something I will be going through at a later date so these are very helpful. Thank you. I've noticed a fair few myself which I will fix as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 On 5/28/2024 at 8:46 PM, Nightshadeex said: EDIT: I'm not trying to push anything on you, but I would recommend adding Doug Chevalier to the database. Otherwise known as the Canadian Destroyer. He was one of the three founders of Border City Wrestling, along with Scott D'Amore and Chuck Fader. My colleagues who were wrestling back then are adamant that he was a very important presence in a lot of their training and young days in pro wrestling. https://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=3009&name=Doug+Chevalier https://dead-wrestler-database.fandom.com/wiki/Doug_Chevalier We'll hopefully get Doug in for the next update. Unfortunately, when that will be is up in the air as I have a ton of other stuff I need to get done so haven't really touched this data since it was last released. Unsure if SkyCrasher has because I think they are working on a solo project as well (link here - June 2012: Wrestling Matters ) I can only speak for myself but I'm a little burned out on updating the 1992 mod at present (that doesn't mean its dead - I just feel people need to have time to play the mod long term or all that work on future workers/broadcasters/companies/venues etc... was for nought). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyCrasher Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 I've touched 1992 a few times since Fleisch sent it back to me and there's a few dozen new workers in the pipeline (including some from the French scene, thanks ArcheoOutOfNowhere) But yeah my main focus is on 2012 at the moment @NightshadeexI'll happily add stuff though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatboyVT Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) So, I've been having a look at some WCW attendance numbers for their PPVs for 1992... SuperBrawl II: 5,000 in Milwaukee WrestleWar: 6,000 in Jacksonville Beach Blast: 5,000 in Mobile GAB: 8,000 in Albany, GA Halloween Havoc: 7,000 in Philly Starrcade: 8,000 in The Omni And their Clash of the Champions events that year... Topeka: 5,500 Charleston: 4,600 (Couldn't find numbers for their last two, but one was held at Center Stage Theater in Atlanta, which is where they held WCW Saturday night, and it sat around 1,000 fans I believe.) The fact that The Omni in Atlanta was only slightly more than half full for WCW's biggest even tells a lot about their popularity at this time in their history. That was WCW's home city. I don't think that's reflected quite correctly in the mod, where it's easy to draw big numbers as WCW. Not quite WWE numbers, but still quite good. Here were WWF's PPV attendance numbers that year... Royal Rumble: 17,000 Wrestlemania: 62,000 SummerSlam: 79,000 Survivor Series: 18,000 Even if you throw out Mania and Summerslam, the WWF was crushing WCW in attendance numbers, and I'm not sure the different in popularity is quite reflected in the mod. For balancing purposes, and the fact that the mod is probably pretty close to a finished product, I could certainly understand if the creators didn't want to make any changes. But if I wanted to make changes in own game to make WCW harder/more realistic, what do you think I should do? They seem more like a small company (though a big small company, haha), but they ran house shows, so in terms of the game they were medium-sized. I was thinking a pop of 59 in the SE to satisfy the medium requirements, maybe 45-50 in the Mid Atlantic and Mid-South, and then gradually getting smaller the further away you get. And of course, there would need to be a worker popularity drop to a certain extent as well. Edited June 9 by StatboyVT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 3 hours ago, StatboyVT said: So, I've been having a look at some WCW attendance numbers for their PPVs for 1992... SuperBrawl II: 5,000 in Milwaukee WrestleWar: 6,000 in Jacksonville Beach Blast: 5,000 in Mobile GAB: 8,000 in Albany, GA Halloween Havoc: 7,000 in Philly Starrcade: 8,000 in The Omni And their Clash of the Champions events that year... Topeka: 5,500 Charleston: 4,600 (Couldn't find numbers for their last two, but one was held at Center Stage Theater in Atlanta, which is where they held WCW Saturday night, and it sat around 1,000 fans I believe.) The fact that The Omni in Atlanta was only slightly more than half full for WCW's biggest even tells a lot about their popularity at this time in their history. That was WCW's home city. I don't think that's reflected quite correctly in the mod, where it's easy to draw big numbers as WCW. Not quite WWE numbers, but still quite good. Here were WWF's PPV attendance numbers that year... Royal Rumble: 17,000 Wrestlemania: 62,000 SummerSlam: 79,000 Survivor Series: 18,000 Even if you throw out Mania and Summerslam, the WWF was crushing WCW in attendance numbers, and I'm not sure the different in popularity is quite reflected in the mod. For balancing purposes, and the fact that the mod is probably pretty close to a finished product, I could certainly understand if the creators didn't want to make any changes. But if I wanted to make changes in own game to make WCW harder/more realistic, what do you think I should do? They seem more like a small company (though a big small company, haha), but they ran house shows, so in terms of the game they were medium-sized. I was thinking a pop of 59 in the SE to satisfy the medium requirements, maybe 45-50 in the Mid Atlantic and Mid-South, and then gradually getting smaller the further away you get. And of course, there would need to be a worker popularity drop to a certain extent as well. WCW have been redone 3 times since the mod released and the balance has been reworked so many times I've lost count. The problem we have is when I lowered them the first time everyone complained they couldn't keep hold of any stars and so Sting etc all left so I gave them a boost. Lowering the WCW roster overness is a way around that but then you still can't sign the likes of Ric Flair etc... and end up with WCW by 1994 being nowhere near popular enough to sign the likes of Hogan. Wrestlers like Luger would then be jobbers in WWE. TEW has limits and certain mechanics that are different to the real world meaning you cannot 100% simulate the real world so you kind of have to make exceptions for the overall balance in certain areas. People are free to change the mod how they like but there will not be another big official balance overhaul unless players genuinely hate playing it the way it is currently. This isn't me being horrible, just responding as to why no major balance rework will be done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatboyVT Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Fleisch said: WCW have been redone 3 times since the mod released and the balance has been reworked so many times I've lost count. The problem we have is when I lowered them the first time everyone complained they couldn't keep hold of any stars and so Sting etc all left so I gave them a boost. Lowering the WCW roster overness is a way around that but then you still can't sign the likes of Ric Flair etc... and end up with WCW by 1994 being nowhere near popular enough to sign the likes of Hogan. Wrestlers like Luger would then be jobbers in WWE. TEW has limits and certain mechanics that are different to the real world meaning you cannot 100% simulate the real world so you kind of have to make exceptions for the overall balance in certain areas. People are free to change the mod how they like but there will not be another big official balance overhaul unless players genuinely hate playing it the way it is currently. This isn't me being horrible, just responding as to why no major balance rework will be done. Yep, as I said, I wasn't expecting the developers to make any changes at this stage, I agree with all of that. I was more asking for suggestions for changes that I could possibly make for my own personal game. Edited June 9 by StatboyVT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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