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[James Casey]

I just knew that this thread would take a turn down She's hot/no, she's not Boulevard. Nonetheless, I would have given Stacy Kiebler an A for looks. A* I would reserve for a very few people - the top 5%, remember? For me, that's women like Kiera Knightley, Scarlett Johansen or Isla Fisher, but Lord knows not everyone would agree with me on the A*s for them. I'm a big fan of Maria myself, and would have given her an A - but I was trying to go for a 'average' rating, that is, what i feel about her, and what others feel about her. Hence she got a similar rating to Melina and Ashley, although I think she's hotter by far than either. Looks aren't just a measure of attractiveness, however - it'd almost be better if called Impact. A stunning woman, a beast of a man (Kane, Khali) or an inhman bodybuilder (Masters, Lashley) could all have great Looks, but for very different reasons.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=James Casey;215448]....a beast of a man (Kane, Khali)...could all have great Looks, but for very different reasons.[/QUOTE] Well then, I'd definitely give Dameson a high grade for looks.

[Day_Dreamer]

[QUOTE=PeterHilton;215509]Well then, I'd definitely give Dameson a high grade for looks.[/QUOTE] Ouch, now that is a burn. Anyway, I'd say it doesnt matter what people's tastes are in women, a pretty face gets a good looks ranking, and everybody has to agree on that. Being a big legs guy, I'd give someone like stacy an A*, but somebdy else might be into fake racks, and give her a B-, but I'm pretty sure if its just about the face, Stacy gets an even A from either of us.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

Stacy is very fine i think and so is trish fake rack or not.. i really dont know why almost everyone in WWE that is a female got breast implants... Candice, Melina, Trish, Torrie, Ashley, Mickie... all these girls were hot before the silicon.

[Dragula]

[QUOTE=alden;215214]looks is such a subjective stat i think...........for instance Ghetto Anthony said Ashley Massaro looks like a man. To some she is the hottest diva around right now..........i don't think you are ever going to get people to agree on this one......maybe on stuff like vickie *sorry girl* but on people like arial and kelly kelly...........thier is going to be a diffrence....I would sugest since it is your mod pick who you think is a 100 and judge from thier.......for instance would torrie have as high of a looks stat as say micky......they are very diffrent looks to them but you could not call either ugly ;)[/QUOTE] It's the same with all the stats really. When you look at WWE and TNA people versus the "unemployed workers" one set is highly over-rated compared to the other. For instance, AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels will usually have A+ to B- in all of their critical stats and someone that is not on TV will have C+ or lower in theirs. Some guy may be very talented, but since he is not known to everyone that watches TV wrestling, he gets penalized in the stat category. Styles is very good at high flying, but that doesn't mean he should get A marks in all the other areas ( brawl, submissions, etc.) Overness is another issue that gets tainted. For example, Gene Snitsky will have a 65 or so rating in overness just because he is on WWE's roster. But in reality how many people do you think would get excited to come see Snitsky on an indy show? He gets very little reaction from the audience, especially ECW, because they don't want to see him. So pretty much any stat, looks included, is VERY subjective in my opinion.

[James Casey]

[QUOTE=Tyler Gadzinski;215560]Stacy is very fine i think and so is trish fake rack or not.. i really dont know why almost everyone in WWE that is a female got breast implants... Candice, Melina, Trish, Torrie, Ashley, Mickie... all these girls were hot before the silicon.[/QUOTE] Because someone high up in WWE management (naming no names) strongly encourages all women who sign with WWE to go under the knife. Lita is a prime example of this - did it in any way benefit her gimmick or appearance? No - not at all. Did she do it, believing it would get her more attention and probably a bigger push? Yes, she did. And yet, because Lita spent 99% of her career in t-shirts and vest tops, the size of her chest was never an issue. Someone wanted cleavage on TV, though, and they were determined to get it there... Stacy and Maria are notable as WWE women who [I]haven't[/I] had it done, afaik. Torrie, meanwhile, had it done in WCW - but she looked a lot better beforehand...

[D16NJD16]

Stacy's an extreme case, and probably one of the few where I'd suggest with her time and money she get the implants, if she were still in wrestling or adult entertainment. Maria is fine on the other hand.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

Stacy never got the implants cuz they had her play the part of the long legs nice ass part instead of the my boobs are bigger than my head part.. still its horrible how WWE see women as just Big Breasts sell.. they need to see the ones who can actually wrestle a la Mickie James, Trish Stratus, Victoria, and multiple others.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=Tyler Gadzinski;215832]Stacy never got the implants cuz they had her play the part of the long legs nice ass part instead of the my boobs are bigger than my head part.. still its horrible how WWE see women as just Big Breasts sell.. they need to see the ones who can actually wrestle a la Mickie James, Trish Stratus, Victoria, and multiple others.[/QUOTE] The WWE would be stupid to push women for their wrestling instead of their looks (actually, so would TNA). Their fanbase has shown that they have zero interest in women as "workers." If the women don't look like sawed off porn stars then they don't draw flies in the E, regardless of how talented they are. All you have to do is look at the annula bump in the ratings the Diva search gets. As far as the vast majority of the E fans go, women as wrestlers isn't an attraction.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

see thats why i stopped liking WWE cuz they dont use looks over actual talent.. i am not taking anything away from the people that actual wrestle but theres a couple people there that are just the big musclely type people but cant do a single move.. a la Great Khali. Id prefer to see 2 women wrestle then one giving a BJ to HHH for a skit.. or one being a hoochie momma to Vince cuz he has money.. I like the Bra & Panties match yeah but that is a mix of looks and wrestling talent a bit..

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=Tyler Gadzinski;215894] I like the Bra & Panties match yeah but that is a mix of looks and wrestling talent a bit..[/QUOTE] :rolleyes: Please. It's blatant T&A. No wrestling talent involved whatsoever. Even Jackie Gayda could wrestle in those matches. Just admit you're as big a perv as the next guy.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

maybe....;)... I see Jackie as more of a valet/manager type worker.. but the likes of Christy Hemme and Gail Kim i see as more wrestler type workers.. im also gonna say if i had to choose between real and fake id choose real anyday.. the big fake ta tas just dont seem right when you have a 110 pound girl with Double Fs.. or a 120 pound girl with 20 pounds on her chest alone.. back to the BJ statement what would be good is if instead of it being HHH it be me itd make me watch more.. lol.

[HughBatey4]

Come on Tyler, the E has pushed talented female wrestlers before... They just fire them before the crowd starts to enjoy them. Think about Gail Kim, Ivory, Molly, and Alundra Blayze. That's an assload of talent right there.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

very good point.. what about Jazz released her cuz she looks more like a man .. i dont blame them.. but she could wrestle.. and Christy Hemme can actually wrestle ive seen her in some matches for some all woman promotion and she was actually pretty good.. and they werent the slow paced wrestling like in WWE where you can tell there being more careful .. some of Christy's matches i watched were better than some male matches ive seen in WWE lately and even some TNA ones.

[PeterHilton]

First off, Tyler are you TRYING to get this thread locked? lol ;) Secondly, I truly have no clue why Kim was cut. I know there was a big roster downsizing at the time, but she fit an obvious niche for the WWE, she's very attractive, and she's a more than decent worker with a unigue moveset dor the ladies. Inexplicable. And to be fair to Molly, she had the heart to walk out on the WWE (asked for her release) when it became obvious they were going to push the useless Diva contestants over her.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=Tyler Gadzinski;215906]very good point.. what about Jazz released her cuz she looks more like a man .. i dont blame them.. but she could wrestle.. and Christy Hemme can actually wrestle ive seen her in some matches for some all woman promotion and she was actually pretty good.. and they werent the slow paced wrestling like in WWE where you can tell there being more careful .. some of Christy's matches i watched were better than some male matches ive seen in WWE lately and even some TNA ones.[/QUOTE] Hemme's improved, but she was awful while in the WWE. She wanted to learn and work harder, but apparently the writers had nothing for her. So she got the axe. If Trish and Lita hadn't retired, I'd say Ashley would've got the same treatment.

[HughBatey4]

I'm sorry for all the Trish fans, but Molly was the better wrestler. Trish was the better diva but Molly was the better wrestler. Period.

[paulskln]

nice to see all the replies but not much help to me at all....thanks to james casey, Tyler Gadzinski and dark maverick for the stats.can anyone else help. i am in the process of doing the final touches to my roster split data.what stats would you give for looks and charisma for the following divas. kelly kelly brooke adams Rebecca DiPietro ariel trinity Candice Michelle Lilian Garcia Linda McMahon Victoria Maria Kanellis Melina Perez Mickie James Torrie Wilson Ashley Massaro Jillian Hall Kristal Marshall Michelle McCool Sharmell Sullivan Stephanie McMahon Angel Williams Shantelle Taylor Beth Phoenix O.D.B Katie Lea Milena Roucka Nattie Neidhart Serena Deeb Sosay Victoria Crawford Maryse Ouellet Layla Cherry Vickie Guerrero Looks This is how good the worker looks. It is not purely down to physical beauty,as a worker who is not particularly attractive but has an impressive physique would have a high Looks rating. just copy and paste the names and fill in the stats thanks.i will add up all the numbers and use these for my stats.

[bobinc]

[QUOTE=HughBatey4;215910]I'm sorry for all the Trish fans, but Molly was the better wrestler. Trish was the better diva but Molly was the better wrestler. Period.[/QUOTE] If I am remembering right wasn't Molly one of the trainers at the WCW Power Plant for a the women wrestlers.

[Anubis]

[QUOTE=PeterHilton;215891]The WWE would be stupid to push women for their wrestling instead of their looks (actually, so would TNA). Their fanbase has shown that they have zero interest in women as "workers." If the women don't look like sawed off porn stars then they don't draw flies in the E, regardless of how talented they are.[/QUOTE] Problem with that is, not only can women work good and look good at the same time, but I would say [i]all[/i] of them [i]looked better before they had breast implants[/i]. P.S. Jackie Gayda was probably one of the ugliest women ever in professional wrestling, and she has absolutely no talent whatsoever. P.S.S. Trish Stratus wasn't much of a wrestler; I do give her credit for improving in the ring so very much over the years, but even her best work isn't even half as good as the [i]average[/i] woman in the indies.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=Anubis;216204]Problem with that is, not only can women work good and look good at the same time, but I would say [i]all[/i] of them [i]looked better before they had breast implants[/i]. P.S.S. Trish Stratus wasn't much of a wrestler; I do give her credit for improving in the ring so very much over the years, but even her best work isn't even half as good as the [i]average[/i] woman in the indies.[/QUOTE] You're the minority opinion. By a gigantic margin. The WWE fanbase don't care whether or not women can wrestle, as long as they look good. PS Your comment about Trish is missing the point. Regardless of her "skill" she was 10 times the draw of women like Jazz or Molly who were better workers. Because of her looks. And in wrestling, that's all that matter in the end.

[Anubis]

You don't get what I'm saying. There are plenty of absolutely gorgeous female wrestlers out there who look good and wrestle good at the same time. If McMahon wanted to help the industry and not just himself, he would push them properly [i]while[/i] also feeding the eye candy.

[PeterHilton]

[QUOTE=Anubis;216226]You don't get what I'm saying. There are plenty of absolutely gorgeous female wrestlers out there who look good and wrestle good at the same time. If McMahon wanted to help the industry and not just himself, he would push them properly [i]while[/i] also feeding the eye candy.[/QUOTE] Well, I'm already iffy on your defintion of 'absolutely gorgeous.' And, who says Vince is interested in "helping the industry?"

[G-Prime]

I'm not sure, but please give Nattie Neidhart better than a D in Looks like most people do... She's hot.

[D16NJD16]

[QUOTE=Anubis;216226] There are plenty of absolutely gorgeous female wrestlers out there who look good and wrestle good at the same time.[/QUOTE] :rolleyes: