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The word your all looking for is kayfabe. It's not a matter of comedy vs non comedy. It's a difference of one was may have been colorful and silly but always kept kayfabe, and the other turns kayfabe on its head and doesn't care about it.

What are the biggest changes going to be compared to the 2016 version? What's been the trickiest area to rework?

Thanks so much for this. Have you run into any difficulty with the importing? I heard some buggy stuff happening, like wrestlers who didnt have a steroid habit gaining one.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47578" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Really liking some of the new additions but there are two major deal breakers at the moment. I know these have been discussed and I'm hoping the extended BETA will see them addressed. <p> </p><p> </p><p> 1) The UI. I've tried for nights now to get used to it and I can't. Some windows require snap closing, others back buttons and are overall not intuitive. The skins have made it much easier on the eyes but it's still really scattered and there doesn't feel to be a uniformed approach when navigating. The editor UI feels just as bad as the games UI, some screens are compressed when they should be expanded and others the opposite. My biggest gripe by far is the Attributes list, the current dropdown box for all the options is the worse way I can think of to have to edit these.</p><p> </p><p> 2) Custom products, my biggest issue with this is how it doesn't take into account the future. If I start a present day mod I want to be able to create a product that hasn't been seen before, even if it's a slight variation of an existing one. Under the current system creativity is stifled and I really dislike that. I am never in favour of options being removed.</p><p> </p><p> I've supported and purchased every TEW release since 04, I fear this may be the first of the series that loses my interest. I hope that's not the case and these two issues are looked at, I completely understand they're irrelevant to many but personally they're deal breakers. I hope this post is received as it's intended which is to provide constructive feedback.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We are in agreement here. The good news is, the nature of these problems seem entirely fixable.</p>

That isn't inaccurate though.

I think that goes without saying

I'm glad there is going to be an attempt to adjust the UI related issues, and I'm going to give the game another try on May 14th.

I'm in this boat also.

What a mess. I'm sad, and just mad that I put off starting a game in 2016 for SIX months because we naturally expected 2020 to be an upgrade in all areas.

So many aspects of TEW are just starting to feel way too esoteric.

For people who remember this sort of thing, is this the worst reception a TEW beta has gotten? Is it typical for there to be this many issues/unpopular changes and then it be fixed by the full version? I've always been pretty happy with the final products of TEW, but never really dove in until the beta phase was over. Can anyone give some insight? Is there going to be enough tweaking done in the next week or so to satisfy the complaints? Or are we stuck with the game and UI as is?

I imagine once the UI is fixed/improved, your going to see more people digging into the game, and finding things to compliment about it.

Improvement on the default.

I'm holding onto 2016 for the time being, with hope some things are fixed or changed based on the early feedback. Very likely a potentially great game beneath everything, but its cluttered underneath alot we dont like right now. Alot of it is visual and UI related. I'm not sure how to feel. I just hope theres something that can be done. I have faith.

The UI seems to be my least favorite aspect of the game so far. Only a half hour in.

Bumping this due to the release

Thanks, I already did one of these, feel free to grab anything we compiled from my thread and add to this http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2403741#post2403741

Always a special day. Of all the games I buy, this is the one where I am happy to put out the $40 bucks for a game. I wouldn't even accept a free copy or a giveaway.

No way. It's 2020 Or Bust.

The journal entries haven't lit my world on fire for many weeks now. Seems like alot of tweaking, sidestepping, and second guessing. Which is okay. I think this was a case where all the good stuff got announced at the onset. Just waiting for a release at this point.

Anyway to make the in game handbook text searchable, so that phrases can be found?

Well it wouldn't have happened during the existence of kayfabe because there wasn't the general acceptance of the fact that wrestling is predetermined. To have filmed a fake looking match like that would have been breaking kayfabe. No one thinks anything of it now because the only fans left are the ones who don't care about being presented the modern day choreograped style. But it would have never been done pre 1990's.

I can already feel this is going to be a tedious several weeks as we wait for the demo. I'll see you all in a month.

Gotta love/hate the real world for immediately producing an event the new TEW won't be able to replicate.

Although I hope and believe the hysteria will be over by the time this game releases a month from now, TEW is definitely what the world needs right now!