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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You do realize that was the EXACT thing that made Sting/Hogan so anticipated right?<p> </p><p> If two guys fight every week who cares enough to pay money to see it happen? Hogan always getting away just barely made people thirsty to see Sting get to him in an actual match where he would be forced to fight him.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> /nod</p><p> </p><p> Basic theory, worked to perfection. Of course, I honestly believe this is the only way it would have worked. Let's be honest, had Sting not gone Crow when he did, he would've been lost in the shuffle and dropped out of importance as the nWo rose and new faces flooded the scene.</p><p> </p><p> He would've been a midcard act by the end of the second year, and there was no way WCW could let that happen and still have any identity for itself outside of former WWF guys. Just happened to be one great idea, booked almost flawlessly, that saved Sting's career.</p>

Knights of Pen & Paper, honestly, got boring too quickly for me to recommend spending anything on it.

Usually looks better.

/nod Taker knew he couldn't perform up to the level expected of him anymore, I believe. That match is a showing of time taking its toll on him. It sucks, because next year there's not going to be a Taker vs. whoever anticipation for months waiting for him to come back and it be revealed. That moment was something, though. I pray they capitalize on it, and I can not wait to hear Paul Heyman tonight. My god what a promo that's gonna be.

Ambrose could go full on hobo look and go crazier after the split to give him something fun to do. It'd make him stand out and solidify him in the midcard as something not just like the rest of the midcard, and that's about as far as I see him going. Honestly don't know what you do with Rollins, I'd struggle booking him without the Shield gimmick at this point in WWE. Never been a promotion built on guys like him, but I wouldn't want him to become just another midcard guy who doesn't really stand out amongst guys like Kofi. Don't see much at all changing about Reigns. Would be no reason to change him.

Would much prefer that to the alternative of someone else being brought in to fill the void. Really don't think they could recapture what the Shield is with another third, which is really saying something for Reigns, who was the odd man out of the pairing originally. Can remember having company over watching the night they debuted and us all going "Him? Of all the guys in NXT, he gets the spot?" Now he's the part of the group I look foward to most.

Yeah. Guy's not there yet. He's got all the potential in the world to get there and be a big player in the next few years, but he's still got a long way to go before he gets himself to that point. They need to not rush this, which means keeping the Shield together, which is good, because that gimmick made the three of them much more than any of them could've been alone. The music alone gets me excited for the three of them. Dreading music choices once they split.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>His entire gimmick is pretty much awful and poor for putting anyone over. He sits there and begs for a beatdown with showing no signs at all he is worried. At least with this same gimmick, Hulk Hogan would appear worried/nervous and sell the heel as a MAJOR threat. The only time you will see Cena sell an opponent is when it is a face that doesnt need selling.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Even when he DOES get beat down, it's never one on one, and he still completely craps all over the moment to ensure that he's the only one coming out of the situation with any momentum.</p><p> </p><p> It's what he did to the Nexus night 1 with the stupid thumbs up to the fans while he was being taken away. Completely killed any legitimacy they had when eight of them couldn't do enough to Cena to keep him from being the one on top somehow.</p><p> </p><p> I get that WWE needs their fallback guy, but they need to realize Cena's not going to lose his spot in the eyes of the fans who still care. He's always going to be John Cena. It's been time for him to start putting people over for a long time now. Hopefully Mania will see him actual bother to do that.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>"Undertaker, with his mickey-mouse tattoos and his 33 pound head, jumpin' around screaming like a girl."<p> </p><p> -The Rock, talking about the Undertaker in 1999, a few moments before saying that Undertaker and Big Show would wet themselves when The Rock appeared.</p><p> </p><p> Seriously John Cena talking about Cracker Barrel isn't going to kill Bray.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Really has been Cena's big flaw for a long while now. The man never sells, and he has completely destroyed momentum for people against him in the process. He has to trash everyone who comes against him, mostly because jokes are the only reason people cheer him anymore.</p><p> </p><p> Let's not forget, most of the time Cena buries someone by pretending they're not even cutting a promo and then mocking them, they go on to get buried in the match despite whatever odds there may be, and that just proves Cena ignoring them and mocking them is about all they're worth.</p><p> </p><p> If you put a guy over through your promos, him losing doesn't have half the negative effect.</p><p> </p><p> Really wonder if Cena even knows how to put people over. It's about time for him to start doing so if WWE's going to prepare for the future at all.</p>

<p>TNA drops the ball yet again.</p><p> </p><p> Completely unsuprised.</p>

<p>Wow. Punk's return was so amazing. Did you see the roof come off that place?</p><p> </p><p> Oh....wait. Everyone was wrong. Big shocker there.<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Changing them on a house show is one thing, but having a new team that you are pushing heavily win the titles on a non televised show is just plain dumb. They somehow made it even worse by having them drop the titles without even appearing on TV with them, and they lost it back to the joke of a team they won them from.<p> </p><p> In isolation the idea isn't bad, but based on how both teams were being presented both title changes made no sense.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> WWF did this all the time in the 90s. They check the crowd's reactions this way.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I fear they need to put the strap on DB ASAP, or risk the possibility of that ship sailing before they get a chance to make any money off it.... Depending on how many folks watched this, it might have shipped off tonight.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> August 17, 2014 SummerSlam</p>

Jeff did okay in 2013, but it's hard to want to see a man who's been a walking insult to the business for the better part of a decade now.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's snobby wrestling fans acting like, "this again" which is pretty insane. Willow The Wisp was actually popular in Omega from what I understand. But I mean, they were cornball over-the-top promos done by a kid. No one knows what we're going to see with Hardy doing this in 2014 and that's a fact. Some people are just snobs and ONLY post in forums and on reddit to feel superior in their old wrestling knowledge, even though they despise the current WWE product.<p> </p><p> That said, Jaysin is 100% not one of them. He's a consistently intelligent, reasonable poster and I feel like taking history in context he was just going for a silly joke. Not some type of snobbery. Probably doesn't need to be said but just sayin :-)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Everyone knows what we're gonna see from Hardy.</p><p> </p><p> Drug induced wobbling in place, crazy rambling, him humming/singing his theme song, and less than stellar matches in a promotion that was originally built on a style he should've thrived in but failed to even compare to.</p>

I just wish he wasn't such a wuss. A little more edge and a little less authority butt kissing would go a long way.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Target Practice" data-cite="Target Practice" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If I was coming into the WWE creative team after the Royal Rumble, that'd be exactly how I'd play it.<p> </p><p> Do my very best to keep Batista as a face until Mania, get the match with Orton out of the way, then turn him heel and give him a run with Bryan - Batista is a much better heel, and he's good enough to use the natural heat he already has and turn that up a notch. As for Bryan, he could adopt a 'naked Mideon' style gimmick and still be massively over right now. It'd also be a nice natural conclusion to the whole arc - Bryan winning the belt from the guy who 'stole' his opportunity in the first place.</p><p> </p><p> Orton-Bryan has been done too much recently for me to be excited about that match - I honestly don't know what they're going to do with Orton post-mania, because he's utterly stalled right now - the character has been so inconsistently written and booked, we don't know whether he's playing his 'viper' role, the 'corporate champion' role, or the 'snivelling, cowardly champion' role, and it's impossible to invest any kind of emotional reaction in him, and for once, it's not entirely his fault.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't see Batista turning heel until, at the very least, mid August. Once Guardians is out of the way, they're free to do whatever they want again.</p><p> </p><p> Actually had a fun conversation with a friend the other night about what to do with Orton, Trips, Kane after Mania. Not gonna mention it because there's ZERO chance it happens in any universe, but yeah. They'll probably just disband the group randomly and try to pretend it never happened by June.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="petecrimson00" data-cite="petecrimson00" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They shoulda just gave the belt to Cena tonight.. not like we don't all see it coming.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If anything, I'm seeing the belt go to Batista, then to Bryan at SummerSlam.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="petecrimson00" data-cite="petecrimson00" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>good god can they try to hype Batista any more? Not digging it, wont dig it. In a period where the WWE is trying to evolve a 45 year old who wasn't anyting more than a body when he was in his prime, WHY in a period with so much talent oozing in the WWE ready for the future, is THIS who they pick to main event?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Guardians Of The Galaxy.</p><p> </p><p> The belt is now nothing more than a prop for movie hype interviews for a little publicity. Someone should sneak Bryan into Avengers 2. Then he'll win the belt.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Does this do it?<p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/eKCDBFRbZoA?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG - 2012 Battle of Los Angeles winner - Adam Cole"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/ZCvs_HLkY_U?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG - 2012 BOLA - Adam Cole calls out Kevin Steen"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/u4cLYjjEwM8?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Adam Cole - RunSteenRun"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/38X1ps6VEl0?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG - Failure to Communicate - Adam Cole"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/_oGwgG0jF2s?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="FEAR IS A POWERFUL EMOTION"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p> And for fun</p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/CU8F_vLDwDA?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG BOLA 2013 -"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/R7jpnYKY9CU?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="The Greatest Stunner Of All Time!"></iframe></div></div><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrWGULIhlDk" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrWGULIhlDk</a></p><p> </p><p> PWG is seriously the best</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I really should find somewhere to watch PWG.</p>

I've yet to see Cole cut a promo that didn't make me change the channel. In the ring the guy's amazing, I'll give him that. I also haven't seen every ROH show or anything to say there's no way he's a promo guy. If anyone can find some solid mic work from him, share a link.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Miz/Cena didn't get "hijacked" and that was a mid carder holding the title, coming to the ring with a curtain jerker and John Cena who 99 percent of smarks boo upon eye contact. If that didn't get hijacked in Miami just three years ago then this won't. That pretty much is the biggest evidence you're wrong. If Wrestlemania is always loud smarks who are always hot then they would have booed that match and had a thousand chants but they didn't. I could list others as well probably on that same card. So yeah kind of kills your argument. Also on that same show was Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole and THAT didn't get crapped on. The silly six man tag with "pookie" or whoever wasn't crapped on either. I'm coming up with all sorts of awful Wrestlemania matches and main events that weren't "hijacked" I bet I come up with more that weren't hijacked than where. So much for that "vocal smarks are always hot and they will hijack Wrestlemania haven't you watched in the last decade". Then I list ten awful matches including a horrible main event that weren't hijacked and you're like "oh yeah well I mean sure they didn't hijack those but somehow Orton/Batista is worse than Michael Cole/Jerry Lawler" and lets not even try to spin something that silly.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The IWC were also pretty high on Miz at the time, so his involvement wasn't looked down on. As for the rest of your choices, we always expect some "fun crap matches" to appear on Mania. It's become something of a tradition to have a match like that. Need a bathroom break, after all.</p><p> </p><p> Orton/Batista won't be worse than Cole/Lawler, but it's also not supposed to be the bathroom break. It's the MAIN EVENT. Orton/Batista is the main event nobody out of high school wants to see.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just want it for the old WWWF stuff and the WWF footage from the early to mid 1980's. I don't even care about the Attitude Era, as I hardly watched it (The WWF I am talking about, I watched ECW, Memphis, and WCW all of the time during that time period.) back then. <p> </p><p> Now the ECW and WCW stuff will be worth it. I wonder if they will have AWA, JCP, and Mid-South on there as well. I would love to see some of the Mid-South stuff.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Can see everything they own being added in slowly, to keep people signed up waiting for what comes next.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And Wrestlemania won't be close to that either. New Orleons is not a hotbed smark town, the casual fan attends Mania and the smark fan attends the night after is how it usually goes. So thats my point. MOST of the time they are not in a smark town, most of the time they are not in the situation they were in so the whole "revolt" against the product is a non issue. People took the Royal Rumble and tried to make that the norm with the "disaster" predictions instead of recognizing at this time that is the only time the crowd has "hijacked" the show to any noticeable degree.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah. A lot of what you say is correct, but this is far from it. Fans from EVERYWHERE come to see Mania. Mania/RAW after are the two biggest smark heavy shows of the year. The reason recent Manias haven't been as dominated by chants as the RAW after are the open air stadiums, instead of arenas.</p>

It wasn't the match with Trips that hurt him at that point. It was the transition from Punk vs. Evil Vince, to Punk vs. Trips. Punk's character came out weaker, and the pipe bombs died off soon after which hurt as well.