Arrows

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just saw this... I was tired and I saw green. I'd already explained for about 20 posts before this whie winding up Outlaw that I was staying up just to see the write up, plus with only one kill I jumped to a conclusion while skim reading. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Anywho, MQM time... this might take like... 30 minutes to do in sequential order.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Don't get the hate on green. Green is 99% of the time town, and generally masons. <strong><span style="color:#0000FF;">Blue </span></strong>and <strong><span style="color:#008000;">Green</span></strong> are town. <strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">Red</span></strong> and <strong>Black</strong> are scum. <strong><span style="color:#800080;">Purple</span></strong> is indy. If anything, cult would be <strong>Black</strong> or <strong><span style="color:#FFA500;">Orange</span></strong>. At least, that's the standard. Also, that write up is using color for the sake of using color to differentiate.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So you believe that in a game of 26 Outlaw gave two people the same very powerful role?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sure. Hell, he even put in a student to learn an ability from someone if the assumption on what that role was is right. I think you over value a jailer, also. You think there's just one invest?</p>

In the past, I feel like we were told if someone couldn't speak for the day.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When people are talking about the Cult segment are we talking about the scene that started in the diner?<p> </p><p> When I initially read it, it looked like a Cult thing to me but upon further review I am just not sure. Mainly due to the blue color of text in it, I am not sure if that was what others were talking about or not but if it is I am going back and forth on if I think that reads as a recruitment or not.</p><p> </p><p> Now this is another metagame thing but I was thinking, I wonder if mach was active during the night or not. I mean he was not replaced and we did have two folks on the reserve roster (SF who joined the game and Nick). That just might be me overthinking things.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If you really want to meta it. Wasn't Nick on the reserve first, and thus would've had first dibs, and was likely sent a notice to respond if he wanted to sub in?</p>

<p>Gonna move these around, out of order a bit. Figure I'll point that out now so no one thinks it's done for any shady business. Mostly so the write up's at the end and just copying quotes from beneath it in whatever order I grab em.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sounds like a reasonable surmise. A lot there in that write up to digest. But it looks like we all have our distractions tonight. Shame it's not earlier. A deep dive into the writeup could take a while and I don't know I have that much fresh mind left tonight.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How was your night?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ShadowedFlames" data-cite="ShadowedFlames" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So the concert went a little later than expected. Just got home.<p> </p><p> Looking over day 1, I know in the long ago here on GDS a D1 Lynch was never really pushed for; it was to get an idea of how people played.</p><p> </p><p> Yet in this game, starting at about 8 hours before deadline, Mach was pushed from halfway to lynch to L-2. I want to get another read on it when my mind isn’t blown away by Christmas Eve/Sarajevo but basically from vote 8 to end of phase (I’m counting MLT’s failed vote in this too), I’m looking a bit more carefully into. Something just doesn’t feel right with 6 (7) votes coming in the last 15% of the phase for Day 1.</p><p> </p><p> Just my initial thoughts as I crash for the night.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> /nod</p><p> </p><p> Good to see ya.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The part Arrows pointed out? I read a jailer. I could be wrong though.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What part did I point out, exactly?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Maybe I'm rusty but I'm not reading a cult.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> After giving it a better read, having now finished enjoying Takeover, I'm more inclined to agree with MLT, reads like a jailer. Aight. Let's do this.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="theoutlaw321" data-cite="theoutlaw321" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He slipped out of the trees. He made it to the van and quietly popped the hood, as not to alert the owner. He quickly removed the leads from the battery and placed it on the ground. He quietly closed the hood and picked up the battery and hurried back into the woods.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Assuming this is a role block, that later prevents someone from using the vehicle and thus their action. I'm just thankful that says van, and not bus, personally.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He watched from a distance.<span style="color:#0000FF;"> "What is he up to</span>?" he whispered to himself.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Tracker.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He had ran over to the diner to grab a bite to eat and seen the man he wanted, walk by. He hurriedly paid and went to catch up with him. <p> </p><p> As he walked down the sidewalk he heard someone say<span style="color:#0000FF;"> "I've been waiting on you."</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#2E8B57;">"Really for what? I'm kinda in a hurry."</span></p><p> </p><p> '<span style="color:#0000FF;">Never to busy to take care of yourself my good man</span>." And with that he invited him inside.</p><p> </p><p> "<span style="color:#2E8B57;">Guess this will have to wait then</span>."</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This does seem like a jailer. We can be hopeful it's a jailer.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They had stopped for ice cream on the way from the square. That was one of her favorite things to do. <p> </p><p> They rounded the corner onto the street they lived on. When suddenly she bumped into a man. </p><p> </p><p> "<span style="color:#FF8C00;">I'm sorry Miss. I shouldn't be in such a hurry. My apologies</span>."</p><p> </p><p> "<span style="color:#0000FF;">That's quite alright. No harm done</span>."</p><p> </p><p> "<span style="color:#FF8C00;">Okay then, have a good evening you two</span>."</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The "They" seems to be a parent and a child. What the parent does if the child dies is anyone's guess, though I'm sure most of us would guess, it ain't good.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He followed just out of site keeping to the shadows. He hoped he wouldn't be needed, but he was there in case he was. He had been following since they left the square. He had ducked between two houses when they turned the corner to take his spot in the shadows.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Protect.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He jimmied the lock. He quietly entered. He had seen the occupant of the house leave earlier. He went thru the papers on the desk looking for what he needed. "<span style="color:#0000FF;">Ah, there it is</span>."</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thief? Open to hearing other suggestions here for sure.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>When he got there for his appointment, the person he was there to see was in another room with someone else. <p> </p><p> Shortly, he was shown to a room. After a few minutes the person he had an appointment with came in.</p><p> "What can I help you with today?"</p><p> </p><p> They discussed the issues and suggestions were made. During the course of their conversation, the visitor was able to gather the information that they had came for. </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Curious about this one. Someone was popular enough to get 2 visitors, and takes appointments. Brain's not functioning well enough to come up with a good list of professions. Gonna leave out the death. Obviously the death.</p>

Really not thrilled with the thought of having a cult out there. Hate to see Rev die early in any game. Feel like we're supposed to believe it was vengeance from someone for last game, but not sure how many back and forths my brain can go through psychology wise there. A lot to take in on the write up. I'm here, but I'm distracted by War Games. Afterwards, I'll really focus on the write up and see what I can get out of it.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The fact was he made a point of saying he was around. He didn't just say "checking in but busy" etc</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wasn't bothered as much until I went back and found his post, and the first post directed at him after being only 30 minutesish later. Was expecting a larger gap of time, and thus time for him to leave.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Paws7297" data-cite="Paws7297" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Somewhat true. A power role cracking under pressure can be pretty bad for the town. Seen it happen too many times. <p> </p><p> However, most of us have played long enough to not out themselves day one</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Reasons why I try to refrain from casting votes on newbies. </p><p> Except for when I'm red, then I attack the weakest players on day one hoping I'll find some kill options.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I feel like I'd go straight for the new players in real life games, for sure. Couldn't bring myself to do it on forums, where games take weeks sometimes. Same thing with the mutual agreement to not kill new players night one that everyone seemed to have.</p><p> </p><p> Would hurt the player base.</p>

Change Vote: machinesxe *Insert something of meaning here so I don't look scummy.*

I'd be a lot more open to it if the list was adjusted to what we deem common, and stuff like watcher, tracker, double vote, miller, and whatnot were added. Right now, that's a shortlist of the most important roles and one we rarely see in bigger games, really.

That's ... a very short list of dangerous roles to have someone admit to having one of them.

I've played about as careless as I usually do. Can't change up the gameplay, people might actually read something into that. Never been a fan of Day One stuff unless there's something to be gained. If you toss on a Kingmaker gimmick, I believe there should be a person or two that knows it's their responsibility to put the target on their back and figure it out and politic for it using whatever info they feel like sharing.

Have had the same theory on Day One from the start. It's not a worthwhile gamble to hunt mafia on day one. We could luck out and find someone who's scum, but we have nothing to really question them with unless they make some misstep. This isn't real life, we can take our time and formulate our thoughts on how we want to sway the town away. Like you said, signals. The odds of finding a BAD scum player who can't lie aren't as high as finding a town power role and drawing attention to them. Even if they don't outright claim, the scum learn something to aid them N1. I'd rather they be as blind as possible.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've been on these forums for more than 13 years now. <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Are you lying about the fact that you will be lying? Not sure what to believe already. Especially after you called me scum just before I died last game. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Was hoping it would make them hesitate to kill you, if they could get a day wasted with us arguing. In 3 days I'll have hit my 13 years on this site. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Two will vouch for the fact that I definitely am not more mature than I was back then. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's crazy to think it's been over a decade with some of you guys. I'd like to think I'm not the same guy I was back then, for everyone's sake. That said, expect me to still lie about pretty much everything.<img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>/nod<p> </p><p> Inactivity only helps scum in my opinion.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's such a staple line to deliver when you're trying to stall and make nothing happen, as well. As much as Day One is a feeling out process where people say and do things just to gauge some form of reaction, why come in with something like that? Mach's been around, he knows we're not going to lynch anyone on D1 unless we get an "I'm Megatron" moment. Most people don't even vote on D1.</p><p> </p><p> We're still in the checking in phase, and Mach's on D4 protect scum buddy from lynch.</p><p> </p><p> <em>"If this were anyone but Mach I'd be voting for them."</em></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BlueStar" data-cite="BlueStar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's a barebones game. I'm expecting this game has a mason group but also a (possible) Cult group. 26 players ... 2 potential kills per night seems fair, a VIG is probably in as well (3rd potential kill)...I doubt that scum would start with 9 from the go. My guess: 5/6 scum to start, potential Cult (1 or 2), 2-3 indies and the others true blue townies. Just my 0.02....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not gonna quote the whole MQM Driver, though it's nice to see one of those again. Been a while. If there is a cult, which I'm personally gonna go with there's not, expect far less mafia. A cult adds a whole new issue to the balance of the game, and an over sized mafia against a town who can't trust even proven townies, is a lost game for any color town aligned and most likely a win for the scum group instead of the cult as the cult generally won't have the fire power to deal with a large scum team.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd say the two of you have probably got it about right. More than six seems too much. Whilst you're both here, any thoughts on anyone so far? machinesxe?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Normally, "I'd drop a vote, but we should hold off." is something I write down as scummy. I did make a note of it when it happened and I'm sure I'm not the only one who will keep an eye on how that progresses.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think probably dealing with a 5 man scum group and an SK. Maybe an Indy survivor thrown in there for good measure. The 1:3 ratio is a good guideline but it's not textbook.<p> </p><p> 5:1:1 feels right for non-town roles in a game this size.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If we look at something along these lines, expect a standard mafia.</p><p> </p><p> Don</p><p> Hitman</p><p> Roleblock</p><p> Framer</p><p> Protect?</p><p> </p><p> Something along those lines. If their abilities expand much beyond that, 5 people able to work together gets insanely strong.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Inanimate carbon rod again?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ha. Just wait.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I hear this. I'm not a big fan of cults either. Can be a real pain in the butt having a trusted townie suddenly be corrupted and I much prefer to be town as much as possible. Unless of course it's a game where there as masons. Then I want to be one of them. Having all the benefits of town but yet being able to converse and plan in the way typically only the scum can. Those scenarios are a blast.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Masons are a blast.</p><p> </p><p> Then you realize there is a cult, and they very well could've recruited your mason partner. Cults need limitations, of some sort. A maximum number of players or recruit attempts. Only certain people able to be recruited, like traitors, but more than just one, I guess.</p><p> </p><p> Cults are a tricky thing, especially when the maker will do anything in their power to make said cult appear to be masons for the sake of his baby having a chance.<img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sorry about the back-to-back posts but...<p> </p><p> I forgot to quote this. My thinking was a large scum group and an SK. Two kills per night or perhaps the scum group or SK could have kill limit (meaning one of them might not kill every night).</p><p> </p><p> Off topic but, I remember when I thought about running game I was always thinking of a way/s to give the SK a legit shot at winning. I always felt like perhaps having them kill a certain amount of people in one game or giving them a limit and then allowing them to win once they reached that limit was a reasonable way to allow them to win. I am not saying that is what is happening here, just thinking it would be a cool way to take that role.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> One large scum group is a very powerful thing. We'd have to add another 10 players or so before that wouldn't get out of hand, very fast. </p><p> </p><p> I could see a SK with some kind of variance. My own role PM lends proof to me that not everything's going to be simple, straight forward mafia.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Seven scum and a serial killer? That is if every third player is scum.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think this is pretty close.</p><p> </p><p> If I had to guess, two teams of three and a survivor who might be a serial killer.</p>

Surely not.

Logical. Vote: Crychon

:cool:Feeling like we lynch Outlaw, for not putting the list in alphabetical order.<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

<p><img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Yay.</p><p> </p><p> :uncool:?</p>