Arrows

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="theoutlaw321" data-cite="theoutlaw321" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He eased up to the side of the house and looked in the window. He could tell no one was home. “<span style="color:#008000;">Damnit, where the hell are you</span>.”<p> Suddenly from the dark he heard a voice, “<span style="color:#0000FF;">Can I help you</span>?”</p><p> “<span style="color:#008000;">Nope I don’t think so</span>.” As he reached under his arm. </p><p> All of a sudden out of the dark from the side of the two men another man threw his body into them. Knocking all three to the ground. The one man got up and ran off. </p><p> “<span style="color:#800080;">Are you ok</span>?”</p><p> “<span style="color:#0000FF;">Well, well, well I am now. You want a beer</span>?”</p><p> “<span style="color:#800080;">Sure</span>.”</p><p> With that they went inside the house. Not seeing the man sneak out from the darkness and pick up something and then disappear back into the shadows.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Break this down to what you think is going on here for me?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I was going to hold off but I thought about it and legit can't think of how this could hurt town.<p> </p><p> I targeted BlueStar</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Interesting. Always a good choice. Only way it really hurts is if he's scum and intended to try and claim doing something last night. Looks pretty good to not be a killer, at least.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="theoutlaw321" data-cite="theoutlaw321" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>With the shocking results from the days lynch still fresh in their minds, the town started making their ways towards their respective homes. Everyone seemed to be in a hurry to vacate the square. Wondering if they could get past this or not. Some were almost pushing each other. <p> “<span style="color:#0000FF;">Excuse me</span>?”</p><p> “<span style="color:#008000;">I’m sorry, no time. I’m in a hurry</span>.” He rushed right past without even hesitating.</p><p> “<span style="color:#0000FF;">People these days</span>.”</p><p> How rude. </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is the poisoner?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>“<span style="color:#0000FF;">That’s odd, why is he going this way</span>?”</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> ... Why do I feel like we have a driver? I really don't want to have to deal with a driver. I can actually die that way.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He eased up to the side of the house and looked in the window. He could tell no one was home. “<span style="color:#008000;">Damnit, where the hell are you</span>.”<p> Suddenly from the dark he heard a voice, “<span style="color:#0000FF;">Can I help you</span>?”</p><p> “<span style="color:#008000;">Nope I don’t think so</span>.” As he reached under his arm. </p><p> All of a sudden out of the dark from the side of the two men another man threw his body into them. Knocking all three to the ground. The one man got up and ran off. </p><p> “<span style="color:#800080;">Are you ok</span>?”</p><p> “<span style="color:#0000FF;">Well, well, well I am now. You want a beer</span>?”</p><p> “<span style="color:#800080;">Sure</span>.”</p><p> With that they went inside the house. Not seeing the man sneak out from the darkness and pick up something and then disappear back into the shadows.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This seems like a lot of people. What's green guy reaching under his arm for? Is green guy reaching for a gun to shoot blue guy, and purple guy saved him by diving in with a cross body or something? Cause to me, that's what this reads like.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Crychon" data-cite="Crychon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yup! That's the case. I'm the brother. I die if she dies.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Could you talk?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ShadowedFlames" data-cite="ShadowedFlames" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hmmm. Reading the end of the write up...anyone else getting vibes of a second scum group? Dressed all in black, not buying the woman’s acting...<p> </p><p> Maybe I’m looking at it wrong. Probably am, in all likelihood, but that’s where my mind went on initial review.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thought the same.</p><p> </p><p> Astil, care to share who you locked down? If only so they can confirm they didn't do anything. Try to ease some of the questions still surrounding the whole you and Derek and Anti bit.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Locked someone down and we still had a kill and a poison so ineffective.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Shame. Did my thing. Walked in circles clueless, apparently. Be home from work in 30 minutes or so, and have tomorrow off. Appreciate the extra day, Outlaw.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How was your night Arrows?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It was... interesting. Not what I expected, and left more questions than answers. Yours?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Crychon" data-cite="Crychon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well. I don't know if the phase is still going on at this point.<p> </p><p> If it is there's some sort of weirdness going on, so I'll <strong>Vote: Derek B</strong>.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If this doesn't do it, it rules out a lot and looks like we're going for 2/3rds.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="theoutlaw321" data-cite="theoutlaw321" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>Antithesis-1</strong> ( eayragt)<p> <strong>Derek B-</strong><strong><span style="color:#FF0000;">13</span></strong> (Destiny, BlueStar, lukess11, Jaded, cappyboy, BHK1978, Astil, The Archer, mistaken, Emark, Arrows, moon_lit_tears, Rayelek)</p><p> <strong>moon_lit_tears-1</strong> (machinesxe)</p><p> </p><p> <strong>It is now DAY PHASE. With 25 players remaining, it's 13 to lynch. </strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> You have until 6:00PM EST (11:00PM GMT) on Monday, November 19th to reach a majority vote. If no vote has been reached at that time, a No Lynch will be declared.</strong></p><p><strong> As always, if you see a mistake point it out.</strong></p><p> 2.5 hours left</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> ...Well then.</p>

<p>We should just find out about both of them now, save ourselves the trouble of having to deal with it tomorrow.<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Day Kill: Astil</strong></p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I swear to...<p> </p><p> <strong>Change vote. Derek B </strong>. There! Damn.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Only one . away now!<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

Such formatting. Again? Vote: Derek B The town wills it, I guess. Town can't keep doing nothing. That I agree with.

I imagine the scum have a role block. Could be that one, could be either one of the two people arguing right now. The scum could easily have a jailer, and this entire "would there be two?" thing goes out the window. That's more likely than the third being the scum roleblock, I think. Killing one, seeing blue, can we avoid lynching the other just to make sure? We're all still going to question there being two of them on the towns side. Can't come up with any other good way to sort this out though. Not easy to test that. Would need a tracker for the jailer, the jailer, and someone with an ability who'll admit to having one and then admit to being unable to use it the next morning. Even then, any combination could lie and mess the whole thing up.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lukess11" data-cite="lukess11" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The thing that threw me off about Derek was the wording of the role title. Going off what I know, Astil's role title is more similar to what a ability role would be compared to Derek. That is why my vote is there and won't be moving unless something absolutely concrete is found.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Here's my current thought process on role titles, and if someone wants to correct this I'm interested. I know my role title is my role. Student role's role title was Student. Derek's claim fits this. Astil's does not.</p><p> </p><p> Town Aligned Clinic Physician isn't an actual role. It's a character, assigned a role that makes sense contextually, and given flavor in write ups.</p><p> </p><p> That said, that bit of the write up looks far more like a Physician, so I believe that's what that is. Why though, is this one different from what I've seen thus far? Is it because there was already a Jail Keeper?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Two" data-cite="The Two" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't know whether Arrows is trustworthy, but I've got to admire the balls of, "don't investigate me, I'm not worth it." If he's scum, that's a heroically bold play. <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> I never like lynching Derek, games are more fun with him in them, but Astil makes a strong case. I need to give it more thought whether to lend it my endorsement. I'll be back before deadline.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> You know me, I'm all about making up nonsense hints on odd days, and making bold plays on evens. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Games are more fun with Derek around, that's one of the main reasons my vote isn't on him right now. It's hard to remove myself from that bias without something concrete.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm going to sleep soon guys so will likely miss the deadline. Arrows, if you feel so strongly that Derek isn't trustworthy or being completely honest, why don't you drop your vote?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Because Derek likes to make people feel that way about him, same way I do. It's a lot easier to stay alive if the scum think you're going to be a distraction. While that may not be the most productive way to be a townie, it beats being a dead townie who can't help at all when needed.</p><p> </p><p> I've been going back and forth on this, haven't convinced myself of going either way yet. There's still 8ish hours left, I've got the day off work, I'mma be around. What's the rush?</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If that's the case Arrows then I am sorry for misremembering. It's been years since I played this regularly. Any thoughts on Derek or his comments about you?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I mean, if he wants to protect me, thanks? I don't know what I did that he thinks is suspicious. I'm not the guy trying to incite panic via text color, or the guy in a role claim battle with someone who's clearly the one telling the truth about that spot in the write up. Makes so much more sense to be Astil there.</p><p> </p><p> I could do one better, but I see no need to do so at the moment. I'd also like to request if we have an investigator paying attention, to not waste it on me tonight. Scum likes killing me early, no reason to get a result on a dead person. Or Derek will keep me, and I may not be open to be investigated and waste the night for them entirely.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Has that been done much in prior games (some roles being double)? Honestly it has been so long that I do not really remember jack you know what about stuff.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Destiny" data-cite="Destiny" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can't remember a game where there were duplicate roles, or even three or more of the similar roles.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cops, roleblocks, watchers, trackers, protectors. All incredibly common to have more than one of in a larger game. You've got to think, this is GDS. Vanilla is probably the rarest role of them all in our 15+ people games.</p><p> </p><p> I still find it really weird people are acting like this isn't true. There's only so many roles.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also if Derek turns red Arrows deserves a long, strong look as well. If not, then ignore this.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Always ready. That said, I'm town, and I don't know what side you or Derek are on. Can only go based on what I do know about the game. Derek acting like colors in write ups means something worries me more than two people having the same ability, honestly.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wrestling Century" data-cite="Wrestling Century" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>OOC, but I hope nothings serious Anti, take care.<p> </p><p> </p><p> OT, I just caught up, I've been sick in bed all day and have been able to drag myself to my computer room finally. I don't know what to think. Obviously there wouldn't be any logical reason for Derek or Astil to be lying, that wouldn't be much of a wise move, especially this early in the game. However, I highly doubt that there would be two of the same role. But things are so screwy, idk if I should trust the idea that Derek blocked Anti. Maybe someone else threw everything for a loop with an ability last night?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Only so many roles. Some are bound to be doubles. This one's oddly specific, but I don't get why we're making this argument as a staple for why we should lynch a strong player.</p><p> </p><p> Right up there with using text color in write ups to determine stuff.</p>

Sorry to hear. Hope everything goes well.

Speaking of talking it out. Mach, thoughts on almost dying?

I've got nothing, and I'm not suggesting this isn't the right road to go down. I'm sad that Derek apparently won't be around for much of the phase so that this discussion can continue and be resolved in some fashion.

No. Could a kill have been blocked? Sure. Could it have been blocked by someone other than you? Sure. Could a SK have decided to not kill, or been inactive? Sure. Convince me ONE of those is fact and the other two aren't.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46026" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm overvaluing a 2 in 1 role the protects and roleblocks? <p> </p><p> Has there ever been a game with 2?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You are. Both of those things are fantastic, but the combination of the two is lackluster until you get to the end game, and know who to block to prevent night kills, essentially making you a fancy roleblocker who makes sure other scum/vig can't kill the scum you're protecting.</p><p> </p><p> Or you're protecting a townie, who can't use their ability to help.</p><p> </p><p> Can't say that I've seen a game with 2. It's not a very common role over here.</p>