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Thought the same for most of it, but parts DID sound like him. The way he'd say things.

... Why the hell did they auto tune Sting's voice?

Alright. Thanks.

So a question, for anyone who may know the answer. I'm thinking about grabbing a month of the network, so I can watch the rumble. If I do so today (1/25), will it last until 2/25 before I have to pay for a second month, or do they do it at the start of each month?

Yeah, you're right on all points. I was expecting much the same as you were, and was looking forward to Orton/Brock. I figured we'd get Jericho/Brock. Maybe RVD since he was around. I'd be fine with no videos for Brock (They'd get old), as long as we still have Heyman around, and someone OTHER THAN CENA actually seemed to give a crap. Nobody else has really made any play at all to even try to get a shot.

I honestly like the way the belt is being handled right now. I like the idea of the champion very rarely wrestling. He is the best, and only the best should be able to challenge him. Otherwise, he's going to either lose some random throwaway match, or beat everyone. The champion being the best doesn't mean it has to be the best story, though. When the champion comes in and defends his belt against whomever has EARNED a shot at him, it should be the main event, but it shouldn't always be the main focus of everything, or you fall back into the throwaway/beat everyone situation.

I don't think Cena held the meeting for his own good. I don't doubt at all that he had good intentions coming into it, and was just trying to be a locker room leader and get the guys back on some kind of track. John Cena was just not the right guy to be doing it. He's the poster boy for everything these guys are getting sick of, be that by his choice at this point for not wanting to put people over, or creatives for not letting him.

I'm not salty at all. You named one guy he's put over. Wanna go the other way? The list is far longer. That list, is still there, and would've been sitting in that room for that meeting, rolling their eyes. As far as Cena's ring work? The guy's better than most want to give him credit for, I agree. Cena phoned in TLC just as much as everyone else did. He got to work with ROLLINS and they fell flat. If they were both trying, that's a good match that I'd enjoy watching. I can't imagine those guys taking him serious given everything.

<p>Yeah, friend of mine told me about this meeting. We both had a good laugh at the fact that it was Cena who decided to hold this meeting.</p><p> </p><p> Don't protest the way things are now! (Or I won't be the top guy and making more money than all of you anymore.)</p><p> </p><p> Go out there and work hard instead! (So when you start to get over, I can bury you, like I have everyone else before you, despite the fact that I've put in less work in the ring than 90% of you.)</p><p> </p><p> Yeah. The roster are going to take that meeting so serious.<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

<p>To add something, since people are saying "It's not Cena, it's Vince making the final booking decisions."</p><p> </p><p> Did Vince specifically say to John Cena, "Stand there and look like you haven't even been in a match." for the end of Wyatt/Cena. Dude was involved in a really tough back and forth match, and at the end of the match he was still standing there bulletproof and happy as can be.</p><p> </p><p> It's not even the winning that gets to me, because he's not the one deciding he always wins, and I get that. It's the way he goes about it, as if nothing even happened to him during the match.</p><p> </p><p> He may as well scream "He gave it his all and I'm perfectly fine, I half a$$ed it and he's destroyed!"</p><p> </p><p> He's been doing it for years. Did it to Nexus with the stupid thumbs up to the crowd after getting beat up by EIGHT MEN.</p><p> </p><p> I'd just, like for it to look like his opponents have actually come close, and it was an even match. They don't have to beat Cena clean, but him magically being 100% most of the time really makes these guys look like they did nothin.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He always puts people over.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cena buries people better on the stick than Brock could in the ring if he decided to just shoot on everyone. Dude no sells everything about feuds he's in and mocks everyone. Nothing is ever serious, so no one he's working against is ever taken serious by that small group who chant "Lets go Cena!"</p><p> </p><p> Time has made it very obvious that that small group of the crowd are the _only_ ones who matter in WWE.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Either way I assume 2/3 would have been in the MITB match since they are young and bigger names than 95% of the roster while allowing Cena and Orton to bow out of the match this year and save their bodies if need be. That's why I wasnt so sure about a turn right after payback<p> </p><p> In a dream world Ambrose would have won MITB, eventually proclaim himself too good and leave the group while likely facing Rollins at SS. Reigns wins the strap at WM to set them to feud during next summer easily whether him and Rollins are done by then or not, perhaps Reigns/Rollins final 2 of the rumble.</p><p> </p><p> But that's all fantasy stuff</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Way it's looking, Cena's winning MITB for the title, and holding it until Summer Slam. Praying Bryan makes some miracle recovery. Really don't want another Cena title run right now. That's a giant leap backwards, but there's no other face that can carry the company until Summer Slam.</p><p> </p><p> Plus, no MITB winner running around to build up the question of when and how it'll be cashed in means no one new stepping into the main event scene. Would be a shame.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah but at this point that might as well be fantasy booking</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If I'd had Payback to set up for this, turn Cody heel at Payback.</p><p> </p><p> Cody vs. Rollins. Would make for some really solid matches, and elevate Cody as well, which is seriously long over due. Cody avoids Goldust during this, gets some momentum going again with good performances here, and can later feud with Goldust and retire him.</p><p> </p><p> Wyatt vs. Lunatic Ambrose. Promo gold.</p><p> </p><p> Authority vs. Reigns. Take advantage of the new found "We want to prove ourselves as singles" bit, don't try to team up on Reigns so they don't have to deal with The Shield. Orton first, Kane second, Trips as Summer Slam. All three should be able to help Reigns a lot in developing singles skills, and we still get the same end result.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree I would have loved to see them still together but have individual feuds like the Horsemen or even Evolution did back in the day but either way who would they feud with? Batista comes and goes and HHH already is winding down his career. They could do Wyatt again but it'll eventually become Shield vs Family part 7. There are no other heels on the roster so taking one of them and making them into a top heel is ideal at this stage.<p> </p><p> Before yesterday their top 4 heels were HHH, Brock, Batista, and Orton...that is a huge problem</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That problem's easy to solve.</p><p> </p><p> Have Cena actually put someone over for a f'n change. Heel made.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's simply not efficient to keep a group of 3 surefire main eventers together after they've ran the entire roster at this point<p> </p><p> We just saw how weak the card was in the event that a top guy (Bryan) was hurt and they had to have 6 guys in a single match because the Shield aren't over as individuals to headline. Right now is just as good of a time as ever to start building these guys (Reigns first) to be able to carry a show in a singles role. Of course there is money left on the table doing it like this, but there is much more money having each of the Shield in different matches up and down cards for the foreseeable future.</p><p> </p><p> People also think this will have Ambrose lost in the shuffle but he's going to have a wealth of promo content now and he's as good as anyone on the mic these days as well. Most people didn't even expect Shield to be booked strongly for 6 months, and they had 18 near perfectly booked months together so I have enough confidence in where they go from here.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> See, I would've had the Shield members want to stand and fight on their own, to prove they're every bit as good in singles competition as they are as a unit. There would've been no betrayal, but 3 singles guys who happen to be allied together. They don't come down during each other's matches. They don't help each other win. They promo together with each discussing what they need to, but they never become involved in each other's business unless someone tries to stack the deck.</p><p> </p><p> Then you deal with The Shield, and you don't wanna do that.</p><p> </p><p> Shield is still there, and able to make money. All 3 guys can be raised as singles guys without having to switch from something that is working AMAZING for all 3 into something that 2 will likely fail at.</p><p> </p><p> Ambrose is gonna be a mid carder this way, and Rollins is now fourth(fifth if you count Steph) string in a glorified jobber group.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RKOwnage" data-cite="RKOwnage" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't think it's fair to cry foul when no fallout has even happened yet. Yes, as a huge Shield fan like many of us are it sucks to never see them as a faction again for the foreseeable future, but eventually it was going to happen. You can say that Reigns isn't ready, you can say that they're going to throw Ambrose and Rollins to the wayside and sure, that might be true. But we don't know that yet because nothing has even unfolded yet. What has unfolded was a great and shocking angle which has a lot of explaining yet to come. It could be best for the individuals or it could be really bad. We shall see.<p> </p><p> I believe that Rollins, and not Reigns, has been the standout of the Shield as a whole. His mic work has greatly improved and he's easily the best in the ring of the three. However, his personality isn't as magnetic or unique as the other two and thus I think it was the right move to turn him. He needs to be maintained as interesting to avoid falling away like the Kofis of the world, great workers with zero personality as a character. HHH did a great thing here. Instantly makes Evolution/Shield more interesting after the loss of Batista. I think it'll end up being the right move, but we'll see.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Irks me because this is what WWE _always_ does.</p><p> </p><p> For years, the excuse for why it was okay to shove Cena being god down our throats was "He sells the most merch!" This is exactly why. You show kids every week that one man is above everyone else and that's who they're going to cheer for, no matter how boring he actually is. People want a hero they know they can actually count on to get the job done.</p><p> </p><p> Every time anyone else even begins to get hot, they snub it out, quickly preventing any chance of someone else ever starting to take that spot.</p><p> </p><p> Punk? Turned heel and immediately dumbed down to the point of complete lackluster performances.</p><p> </p><p> Bryan? Took most of a year to actually accomplish something, proving himself incapable of something everyone knows Cena would've managed to pull off in 1 night.</p><p> </p><p> Shield gets to it's hottest point? Time to break them up before the rest of the world realizes how amazing they are and begins to Believe In The Shield.</p><p> </p><p> After Summer Slam, you think they're going to continue to build these guys, now? It's not going to happen, because the three men alone are never going to reach levels The Shield did, and as soon as one of them does, WWE will be quick to snub that fire out. No one can ever be seen on Cena's level.</p><p> </p><p> They'll make some garbage merch, claim they're not making enough money, and be midcard acts by next summer.</p>

I completely agree that it was a great time to pull the trigger on it, but it should've been about THEM. Not Trips standing there "I WON!", and making the entire thing about himself.

You don't see how one of them going from unstoppable to LACKEY is poor? He's now going to be the jobber for that group to keep Trips' SS opponent strong. That's it. Then he's just the moron who made a stupid decision, and that's as far as he's ever gonna get. No more Punk. Bryan goes down with an injury. Cesaro goes from rising to jobbing to the second most boring guy on the roster. Wyatt's become absolutely useless as he's failed to do anything whatsoever except run his mouth. Now this? What exactly are we supposed to be paying to be excited about? Oh. Trips and Cena.

And now everything anyone bothered getting behind is gone. Way to go.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OctoberRaven" data-cite="OctoberRaven" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wyatt/Cena was the best match of the night, and made everyone involved looked fantastic.<p> </p><p> Shield/Evo II was also really good.</p><p> </p><p> Also, this is like Cena's first actual feud as a gatekeeper. Not to mention Bray looked BAD ASS in that match.</p><p> </p><p> People need to understand that "winning a match" and "being put over" are not the same thing. At all. People forget Flair has one of the worst win-loss ratios ever.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They made every attempt to make Wyatt look weak, including screaming "HES BEEN DOWN FOR AT LEAST TWENTY SECONDS, REF! LOOK!"</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You know, usually most people who don't like Cena refrain from shitting on his Make-A-Wish work with kids. So kudos for going the extra step.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As I said in my above post he most likely meant that kids grow out of wrestling as they age.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nope. Went there.</p><p> </p><p> I've got all the respect in the world for the guy for the work he does for Make-A-Wish, but let's face it, that's the ONLY group of people he still positively effects. The group that is going to make the company NO money.</p><p> </p><p> Continuing to have him be God above all and only putting over THE ONE GUY WHO DIDN'T NEED IT is the dumbest business strategy I've seen in my entire life.</p><p> </p><p> Dude cut a promo talking about how to get to the top you've got to go through him, and that's a perfect spot for him to be in. He doesn't need to be THE guy anymore, and that gate keeper to the main event role would be perfect for him. He's established himself as unbeatable enough that someone doing so pretty much elevates them just like that role is supposed to do.</p><p> </p><p> When he wins EVERY FEUD HES IN, it's kinda f'n pointless. The gate keeper isn't supposed to stomp out the flame of every rising star in the promotion. Now Bray's just another guy with a lot of talk who couldn't get the job done, just like everyone else who's ever needed that rub to break out huge.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Some people seemed to love it but I thought it was just ok<p> </p><p> It had a lot of cool spots but the outside interference from the Usos/Wyatts made the match much better than Cena and Wyatt in a standalone match. Without them it was basically do a move and lay for 20 seconds</p><p> </p><p> Though I will say it had by far the most deadly steel steps spot of all time</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://giant.gfycat.com/DefensiveFaroffJavalina.gif</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Spot's been done a number of times before.</p><p> </p><p> Was also the most predictable match of all time. I Quit match, with John Cena involved? Of course he's winning. Who cares if he's hated by the people actually paying for the tickets. Who cares if he's ruined the pushes of several guys that could've made a difference.</p><p> </p><p> He makes kids who won't be around to spend money happy!</p><p> </p><p> For a few years, and then he's gonna start to decline like crazy.</p><p> </p><p> But he makes kids who won't be around to spend money happy!</p><p> </p><p> Story decision? Horrible. Financial decision? Even more so.</p><p> </p><p> Can not wait for the day Cena can't compete anymore and WWE realize they've screwed themselves.</p>

<p>Honestly don't get the hype with Gabriel. He has his moments, but no matter what he does, I'm reminded of Matt hyping him up as the next coming of Hardy, that stupid outfit he wore originally, and him completely failing to get to the top rope.</p><p> </p><p> It's just, burned into my brain.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RKOwnage" data-cite="RKOwnage" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah I thought that was solid start to finish. There wasn't a really terrible match, but I kind of didn't enjoy the way Cena/Wyatt went, I thought it made Wyatt look really weak.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Honestly, I like the way Wyatt's booked. When you take into consideration the fact that Cena has always been booked super strong, it's very rare someone legit beats him man to man.</p><p> </p><p> It should be very rare. Not everyone has to be on the same level. Everyone should have their own individual strong and weak points. Wyatt's weak point is being stuck on his own. His strong point is in his capability to influence and the people he surrounds himself with.</p><p> </p><p> Makes a whole lot of sense for a cult leader.</p>

And that, is how you book a PPV.