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...And people think I'm negative about everything. Wow dude. Why are you even watching?

You think Bryan/Kane/Punk would outscore Show/Cena and the ending segment? In a WWE product set up, with realistic stats where Cena's not buried stats wise and Punk/Bryan aren't given stupid high overness? Not even close.

I've heard and seen the same reports several times. They think he's gonna hurt someone.

Noticed that, looking through the roster to see if I'd overlooked any faces. Far more heels.

The only two mid card faces worth anything at all are Ryder/Kofi, and Kofi'll have to move to Smackdown to get any kind of real push.

You know what happens when you "raise awareness" about bullying? Nothing. God, The Pope, Michael Jordan, The Fantastic Four, Mega Man, and Splinter, could all combine to put out a commercial about how bad bullying is and force it into the brain of everyone in the world. The next day, some kid's gonna debate suicide because people won't stop treating him like crap all day. Anyone who believes any good at all is going to come from some stupid commercials and standing in front of a crowd of kids, has never been on the bullied side of the coin.

It's not an issue that a huge global company is trying to make a good name for itself by blatantly lying and taking advantage of children?

Name one kid they've saved from bullying.

*DIES LAUGHING* Yeah, dahlin, thats what it does. It's not a total crock at all. WWE trying to make themselves involved in bullying is the biggest load I've ever heard. I honestly hope they get burned in a huge way publicly for trying to act like they care. It'd serve Vince right.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I admit, I didn't even think about Sting, and that was a big mistake on my part.<p> </p><p> So Jeff Jarrett, Sting, AJ Styles, Ron Killings are ones I would say are worthy.</p><p> </p><p> Raven is a personal favorite, but if we're only looking at it as a TNA HoF and not a wrestling HoF, he had 1 very short TNA Title reign.</p><p> </p><p> Shamrock being the 1st ever champion puts him in the middleground I guess. He was there in the very beginning but I wouldn't say he left a lasting impression.</p><p> </p><p> Then there are guys like Roode, Storm, Eric Young, Chris Sabin, among others who have been with the company for all or most of the history of TNA. And sometimes that's all it takes, loyalty.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Inducting any of that last batch basically says "We'll let anyone in", which is how this is going to wind up looking, and why it's a really dumb idea to try and rip off WWE.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sin Cara needs to don the Mistico mask, wipe his arse with the Sin Cara mask before heading back to Mexico and telling WWE to shove their contract. This is killing his career and he needs to head on back down South of the border and try to save as much of his reputation as possible. On paper, Mistico/Sin Cara in WWE could be awesome, in reality he just doesn't fit the WWE style (not saying that's a bad thing). He's never going to be more than a 5 minute midcarder in WWE in my humble opinion.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If they happen to bring the cruiser division to life like the rumors have hinted, I could see him being able to work there. It wouldn't be as difficult to find people capable of keeping up with him, which is one of the major problems with him right now. All the hype that went into how amazing he was supposed to be, and then he's the slow motion luchadore? Was never going to work that way.</p>

<p>Wasn't there supposed to be some sort of surprise or something, tonight?</p><p> </p><p> Also.</p><p> </p><p> Hall Of Fame. Really? The only TNA guy to ever accomplish anything of actual significance is AJ Styles. Way too early to induct him.</p>

<p>I just wish they didn't make things SO obvious.</p><p> </p><p> Like the Big Show thing. When he got "fired", you kinda knew he wasn't going to be gone long, and that the road back to his job would be through helping Big Johnny. Fine. Sometimes stuff's just, gonna make sense.</p><p> </p><p> Once they announced that no one on the roster could help Johnny or they'd be terminated, they might as well have tacked on ", but you just fired a guy, so it'll be him who helps. Can't be terminated if you don't have a job."</p><p> </p><p> I'd really like to see them reveal that Johnny has a stooge in the board leaking him this information, and that the entire firing thing was all a set up to get to this point, and not just Big Johnny getting what can only be described as insanely lucky to have done just the exact thing he needed to do to have any chance at all, without knowing.</p><p> </p><p> The worst part is, they caught people in the crowd who were surprised. I'm ashamed of the fact that those people are allowed to have a vote in regards to anything to do with the United States.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think people claim WWE usually does the obvious but I don't think they actually do. I rarely see anyone predict what is going to happen before hand.<p> </p><p> Examples would be... </p><p> </p><p> Rock over Cena (everyone said Cena would win)</p><p> </p><p> Cena over Brock (everyone said Brock over Cena)</p><p> </p><p> Miz over Cena (everyone said Cena would win)</p><p> </p><p> D. Bryan will never be a main eventer (I don't know anyone who thought he would make it to where he is now)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To be fair, a lot of people figured Rock would win. Especially after it was announced that he'd resigned again and was going to be taking part in next year's Mania.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I guess I will comment on a couple of topics.<p> </p><p> House Shows - Really? Have we ran out of things to complain about or something? They don't matter at all.</p><p> </p><p> Big Show vs Cena - I don't think it is a given that Cena will win at all. We will see what happens.</p><p> </p><p> D. Bryan Depush - If he gets depushed whatever. Most of us never expected him to reach this level. I am just happy I get to see him a couple of times a week and he is getting a lot of screen time. I think AJ will actually help him go over Punk to be honest.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> AJ turning seems... obvious. WWE usually does the obvious. Hoping this is no different.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dude, it's like a movie. Consider this deleted scenes. This a fabricated show to entertain people, and it's produced by WWE. They create theire story, much like a writer creates the story of a book, movie or tv show. It counts what THEY say that counts, because it's their book, movie, tv show. They built a fictionalized universe, so they are the ones empowered to decide what's cannon and what's not. And until i ear about that match on a WWE TV show or PPV, to me it never existed. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Technically, deleted scenes are scenes that were intended to be a part of the movie to begin with, and as such are part of the canon. They're deleted because they drag the movie out, seem out of place, or what have you.</p><p> </p><p> Alternate endings/other alternate bits, taped later, or at the same time, and released as ALTERNATE stuff, aren't taken into consideration in the actual story. Show me a "deleted scene" from any movie, that doesn't continue the story correctly. If you do, I bet you the director/writer mentions it making the character seem out of his normal somehow, and that's why it was deleted.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You are alone on this one. The only thing that counts is what happens on live tv or ppv. Period. THe only things that go into keyfabe on house shows are the ones that the WWE wants to. Like some title changes. The rest never happened. And if you think it did, you're clearly missing the whole point.<p> </p><p> Also, to another user that said he was glad Bryan finally beat punk (i think it was milamber, not sure though) i'll ask this: What tv show have you been watching? No offense, i might be wrong, but they recently had 4 tv matches and 1 ppv match and punk won only ONCE. On ppv. Bryan won (tainted or via DQ or something like that) on 2 smackdowns and the RAW match was a no contest. SO it's Bryan: 3 - Punk 1. And i don't understant why they did that. Punk should be heading these results, he's more over. I lkie both of them, but he's more over.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Title changes on house shows and dark matches have counted. If they count, everything counts. Period.</p><p> </p><p> You can't have it both ways. When they're in front of a crowd or in front of a television camera, unless it's a crowd gathered around them somewhere away from an arena, they are that character.</p><p> </p><p> It wasn't Paul Wight, Matt Bloom, and John Laurenitis vs. John Cena.</p><p> </p><p> It was The Big Show, Lord Tensai, and John Laurenitis vs. John Cena.</p><p> </p><p> You can't say it wasn't the characters. It was.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Clearly you shouldn't care but for the 99 percent of the audience that has no idea this happened they should still care. There are PLENTY of times the face beat up on the heel during a house show. The face always wins the dark show main event its just how it happens. You're very worked up over Big Show's heel turn. He does this once a year becomes a "monster" only to then immediatly lose. I don't care about this storyline because I've been seeing this exact storyline for 8 years now.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They invested a lot of television time into Big Show's turn. In a few minutes, they managed to crap on the entire thing, for the sake of letting some people go home happy. They completely crapped on his character and the story for the sake of some dark time garbage that wasn't even needed or used to advance anything.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>YES! Yes, they did!<p> </p><p> That is the whole point of the post show dark match. </p><p> </p><p> It's something for the people who shelled out money to see an event in person and only for them. </p><p> </p><p> That's how it's always been. </p><p> </p><p> You are seriously blowing this way out of proportion.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Gotta love how the only way anyone's made this even slightly acceptable is to take it completely out of kayfabe. Come back to the viewpoint of the actual story, and try again.</p>

I used to love going to house shows, over RAW, back during the Attitude days, because you never knew what was going to happen. They never made the top heel look like a complete f'n joke right in the beginning of his push, that I saw. I get sending the fans home happy. Title changes that happened during house shows/dark matches, have always counted. Why doesn't this? Because it makes your case more valid? The Big Show now has a loss to John Cena, cleanly, in a match where he had 2 men to help him. Both of which have defeated John Cena within the past few months. Let's also not forget that they didn't "Do it to make the fans happy." That's not what Show's plan was. Nor Tensai's. Nor Big Johnny's. When you take away the kayfabe, your point becomes far more substantial, but this is wrestling. It's _supposed_ to be real. Those three men weren't there to job and make the fans happy. They want to end John Cena. The top heel in the company has already become a complete laughing stock who can't get the job done with a bunch of help. Why should I care about his match with Cena at No Way Out? He's already lost. Remember when heels went over during house shows so the fans actually believed the face had no chance come PPV time? I do. It worked.

You can't book someone to be a monster, and have them lose a match where they have a three on one advantage. Dark match or not. It makes the monster look stupid. If you had proof Michael Jordan, Dennis Rodman, and Scotty Pippen, lost a game of 21, 3 on 1 to some guy with a little above average talent, in some rec center with no cameras rolling, could you still say Jordan was untouchable? Any claim to dominance would forever be nothing more than a joke to anyone who knew about it.

I just don't get the thought process, from a character stand point. Why not have the show go off the air, Cena finally show up to make some sort of save (where was Cena anyway? Coward.), Tensai attack him instead, and give the fans Cena vs. Tensai/Big Johnny, or just Cena vs. Tensai. Cena can go over, the kiddies get their hero victorious as they exit the arena happily, and Show loses no credibility as the top heel in the company. Yes. Big Show is the current top heel in WWE. And he can't win a match against John Cena. John Laurenitis and Lord Tensai have BOTH accomplished this. Big Show can not.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The whole point of dark matches is to send the crowd home happy. They literally do nothing for the television product. <p> </p><p> It's seriously nothing to get worked up over unless you're one of those people who has to constantly find negative things to say.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's just it. It DOES affect the television product.</p><p> </p><p> Next week, when the people in that arena see Big Show completely dominate anyone and everyone who steps in his path on television, what're they gonna think? </p><p> </p><p> "My god, he's unstoppable!" </p><p> </p><p> or</p><p> </p><p> "Why's he dominating everyone when he can't even win a handicap match with the odds in his favor?"</p><p> </p><p> The second. The incorrect one of the two booking wise.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was a dark match so it doesn't mean much. I do get the feeling Cena will win at No Way Out though. And then Lesnar will beat the crap out of him. Maybe Lesnar will beat the crap out of Show as well for his comments on Raw!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The people in that building, and anyone who's read the report, now know that The Big Show is a pathetic joke who can't win with 2 more guys on his team. Why would any of them order a PPV headlined by a match they already know the outcome to. If Show can't win with 3 men, he's not gonna win on his own.</p><p> </p><p> Was really liking heel Show too. The destruction he caused Monday was beautiful. I've liked Show since his days as The Giant. Was really hopeful this would be his last heel run before retirement and he'd get to be the monster he could be.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What was more odd to me is that you have Clay go on this crazy tear where he basically doesn't ever see any offense against him whatsoever, to get cleanly decimated face-to-face by the Big Show in what wasn't even a match?!? <p> </p><p> At least have Big Show cheap shot him or something. I know it made Show look decent but it made Clay look completely impotent. Is the trade off worth it? We'll see I guess. Seems silly to make a fool out of a guy that's getting over and has some legit momentum behind him in Brodus Clay. I mean Clay isn't done or anything because of one incident, but maybe he can ask Zack Ryder about what getting demolished for 5 minuted on television does for your career.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I actually kinda hope they were planning to go somewhere with this. Brodus has been a bit of a goof. Sure, he's big, and that power is what let him dominate the way he did. You throw a goof into the ring with a pissed off giant, and the giant's gonna crush him. Hoping it'll be a wake up call for Brodus, who'll start to take on a more serious tone.</p>

<p>WTG WWE.</p><p> </p><p> Job Show to Cena in a handicap match.</p><p> </p><p> I now could give a crap less about Big Show. His push means nothing.</p>