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History is still on the C's side, but with that being said.... GO MAGIC lol. When the C's are healthy they give the magic a fight. Sheed, Davis, and Perkins were all M.I.A this game (injury and ejection) so game 6 will be something to watch. Perk more than likely will be suspensed, Davis will have effects of the concusion, and Sheed (good or bad) will have to deal with the back injury. All in all the Magic are making this look like a good series (as are the Suns in the West). Magic still have to win 2 games to advance though.

I stick by that, where a player is from has a lot of influence. Think about it, A football player from Wyoming is the top rated player in his state. Now there is a kid in Florida who is just as talented but is considered the 50th best player in his state. So do you take the Wyoming guy or the Florida guy? FLORIDA because he played with top talent. lol but that's me nitpicking With your argument I believe there is a difference in being successful and being able to coach. Norv Tuner is a great coach, not to successful. Same with Marty, won countless games but couldn't win the big one. Does that make them bad coaches? To me (like I said from the begining) there is a difference between it being hard to coach (cause let's face it, your style of coaching never changes from NCAA to NFL) to being successful. When you handle kids most of your life then go to pros and have to handle grown men, it's more difficult. Jimmie Johnson with the Cowboys drafted a bunch of college players he coached against or they played for him. He was successful with this as he was still dealing with premature adults. Coaching skills don't disappear when someone goes to the next level. Success might, but not coaching. This is why I believe it's harder to be a success, not a coach.

It's amazing you have respect for opinion when you quite literally say you don't. Second we give you facts you just don't care enough and only beat your facts to death (even when people give you more than two facts). But since you are the all mighty ruler and most knowledgeable about anything and everything to sports, I assume we all must pander to your wishes. (more of to save our own insanity) Caio

No, I didn't miss the metaphor. Next time maybe you should use one that works. Also, are you a flaming idiot? You've been arguing this whole time about how the NFL is more exciting! I on the other hand actually on the other hand gave support to why College OT is more fair and just as exciting. 1) (you actually helped me with this one, thanks sweetie) In NFL, the team who wins the coin toss in OT wins 60% of the time. In College OT the team who wins the coin toss wins only 52% of the time........... yeah those stats help me in point out......... wait for it...... wait a little longer...... IT'S FAIR GAME 2) You say NFL OT is exciting because one play could end the game. While this is true I came in with the fact that most of the greatest games in college football history were finished in OT. Quote: Originally Posted by LoganRodzen And in college OT you're not one play away from losing it all? An INT or fumble gives the other team the ball and they can kick a FG and win it. You: Do you know what "one play" means? It means one play. Giving the other team the ball and the chance to score doesn't end the game. Hence not "one play." Yeah, we could completely not see you agreeing with him there. Also, like I said yesterday I am not trying to make sure my stuff is on point. I could careless if you can read it or not. While on the subject here...... Um, you asked? Your own explanation of the college system showed that no, the game can't end on every play. It's not just 22 guys with helmets on the field. There's game clocks and field position and special teams, and none of that is there, so no, it's not the same game. 1)Period after field was for? 2) plus the use of commas listing items instead of and. 3)Seriously, seven overtimes. Seven. 4) Who was it that when they won the coin toss elected to "win" and then proceeded to turn the ball over for a game-ending interception? WHAT? you make gammar mistakes as well sweetheart. You just have time to sit there in between porn videos to reread what you wrote. Me personally, I couldn't give a crap.

See it's funny because you don't bring evidence today Mr. Beak. In fact that one play comment you made a minute ago made no sense. Where in the hell did you get Logan's response as saying it's one play? Most educated people read that and say "hey, he's saying that it's not one play". Then they read you tirade explaining what one play is. Then agreeing with Mr. Logan's comment Here's a little evidence to support the College OT. Some of the greatest games ever played in college, end in their OT system. OSU vs UM (Championship game, a classic and a game most believe to be the best ever) Some of those 8 overtime games where each team battles. You want to understand why college OT is a favorite (well, you'll never understand because you're just hammering away at your belief and nothing else matters.) it's because it gives both teams a fair chance to win the game. Now could you give me your evidence to how NFL's system is fair............ Oh that's right you can't. Hell, if it was then they wouldn't be changing it. Also Mr. Beak, the sky isn't just blue; it's black and red. http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html There are also times it does turn purple, green, and yes yellow. (but let's not confuse you in one sitting.) Also the sun looks yellow to us, but in space looks white . Shocked, I know hold your applause for someone who cares.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Mariucci#Coaching_career_in_professional_football http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Caldwell_(American_football)#College Started in college along with Caldwell you asked for college coaches who lasted longer than 3 years. Now Caldwell hasn't done three yet, but do you really expect him to get fired? Honestly those two plus Swizter prove that with the right players you can be successful in the NFL. Many of the coaches who failed in the NFL (from college) went to horrible teams that they were going to have to rebuild. How long does it take a college program to rebuild? Bama it took a long time, Miami four years and counting (yes they are much better, this year will define Shannon's progress) Butch Davis went into one of the worst situations and still manged a playoff game. He resigned and stayed away for 2 years so he could spend time with his family.

See this all started off as an opinion for a couple of guys. I have never understood why this board has such a hard time with opinions. Not everyone is going to agree, some need to learn to agree to disagree.

That to me also sounds like you'll have to work more and not see your family. Seriously as I read that it (IMHO) comes to "hey, you can have the family life and win or not have the family life in order to win" but once again I must be high

So then why not say, for some it's harder to be a coach in the NFL then it is college (Steve S., Saban, Erickson, Carroll). While for others the pro game makes it harder to be successful in college (Green, Brooks, Weis, Tyrone Willingham RB coach for Vikes)

Okay beak I'll bite. If the NFL's OT is so great.... cough...... why are they changing it again? I mean you should be in the owners meetings fighting for the current OT system. Hell, we even have QB's in the league who don't understand OT themselves.

Dennis Green, Jimmie Johnson, Barry Switzer, Steve Mariucci, Jim Cadwell (Wake Forest), Dennis Erickson Can we really put Saban as a failure, I have always wondered that. He left to go back to College but the Dolphins wanted him to stay?

"I go with the idea that if you can coach, you can coach at any level," Green says. "But I do think a guy coming into the pro game without any experience as a pro assistant has a more difficult time." "So much more preparation goes into the coaching in the NFL," says former Patriots defensive back Tim Fox, now the club's postgame radio host. "The game is much more complex. The second quote was a player who's never been a coach. No where in that article I read a coach say the NFL is harder than College. Their been thing was it's different. Now, they did say that they had to put more time in and be on point. Like I said though, they are two different levels. College you can only do some much time wise. NFL you have all day, so I think the real answer is, you can be successful in NFL as long as you put the time into it.

The second bold is when you said Yes it was harder to coach in the NFL. The first bold is talking about how it's harder to be a success. I agree with Candyman that it just different ways of life. The roster turnover in college is far worse than NFL, you are only sure of 3 years. You have to follow strict rules (far mor strict then the NFL's) to make sure probation isn't given. I think both OT's are flawed, but I do like the fact that a coin flip doesn't decide the whole game. I believe the perfect OT system would be NFL's mixed with college. Kick it off, first team to score is in the lead. Then the next team has one drive to catch up (I believe that's kind of what they are changing it to). Also Green was another one of those pro coaches who sucked in college.

So hold on, you went from the NFL is a harder to coach..... to it's harder to be a success

I agree, But saying he was a success at Oregon I can't agree with

Weis was still a coach in the NFL, I never said anything about Head Coaches. Brook was 91-109 at Oregon (success?) and yes he manged to turn Kentucky into a 5th best team in the SEC East

Hm, so then why did Pro coaches that came down have trouble (Weis, Brooks) Also, I really just don't think Carroll will be bad in the NFL. He won with the Pats playing the likes of Dan Marino and Bill Parcells 2 times a year. He had a really good draft and the Seahawks aren't far removed from the playoffs in a weak divison.

Yes and No, they still have to contend with the other major schools. There are still a crap load (some silly) of rules they have to follow. They also have a limited number of scholarships each year they can use (depends on how many they have on team to how many left.). AP are the GM and while they might not breathe, they still pressure. But can we truly say that College football is easier to coach than the pros? Pro coaches have come down to the college and done horrible (Wies, Brooks) and some have done well (Carroll). There are also college coaches who did great things in the NFL (J. Johnson, Green, Coughlin). It is just a much different game. The best article I ever read about how different the game was coaching wise was this one. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-11-30-cons-for-pros_x.htm

Yes it will be in New York. Won by 4 votes, New York has a lot to live up to in this. First I like this idea because simply it will be a test. If this turns out to be a horrible game and people don't go to the city and hold events (much like what happened in Detroit the two other times. People still came to Florida to do events and just watch the game here, or go up there the day of the game) then this could be the last time there is an open stadium in the cold. Personally I hope the game does well. It would be exciting to watch snow during the Superbowl. I just hope it isn't two south teams that go lol

I tend to say College coaches stay in college for one reason. In college you can be a god forever (Bobby Bowden, Joe Pa) in NFL you might have a good 5 year run here and there but it's so much harder to maintain a winning level year after year with free agents coming and going And that recruiting thing is a joke, look at Bobby B. during his last 5 years, they kept getting top rated classes and still weren't winning like they should. (2006 #5, 07 #21, 08 #9) Other teams like Gerogia (failed last year even after years of top classes) and Tennessee (been in the top 10 three times in 6 years) were able to put strong classes together and still stunk. But Tennessee after a bad season with Fulmer went to Kiffin and went 7-6 which was an improvement. The running game looked solid throughout the year and Crompton improved as the season went along. To just bases the fact that Recruiting instantly means everything is wrong. If that was the case Notre Dame and USC would never lose. Coaches play a big role in how the games are played. Petrino left because he didn't want to rebuild that team and thought he'd have Vick. Saban left because why..... he has a god complex (wants people to know he's the best, realized in the pros that'd be a litter harder.), Ole' Ball Coach was in over his head, let's face it he wasn't always the best scout (Grossman, Berlin, Cadwell) In fact his best players are two running backs (Taylor and Graham who has done a lot for the Bucs) and some Defensive players who have fallen off over the years.

Plus the Bulls would probably give him more than the 5 million dollar cap the Lakers put on him

There was talk on ESPN today about Jackson going to Chicago. To me, for that to happen James would have to sign. Then Bosh would probably want a sign and trade there. You could probably say good bye to this years draft picks and more than likely Taj and maybe Kurt H.

true, I just always thought it'd help the players if they didn't have to focus on learning new rules, but I get where you are coming from.

Personally I was disappointed with the Bulls, after their great playoff series last year I expected more. Blazer will never be healthy, it's their curse for passing on talent (Jordan and Durant). I guess we will see who the best conf. is here in about 2 weeks Edit: But it does have something to do with the fact you keep saying he was a west guy, he became a star in the East. So you can keep using Sheed and KG, but Shaq no. That and the fact I never really believe Sheed was the reason Piston won that title

Great thing is we find out the Super Bowl today.