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I agree that College is more exciting, I just wished they would do down by contact, and two feet in for a catch

Talent is old. Mavs are a wonderful 50 win team.... until playoff time. Anyone can contend with any team for a 7 game series and the Magic proved that last year against the Cavs. Also, you say these teams contend..... but do the win the series? For the last time, Shaq started with ORL, not the West. Also, I believe I said today, how is a bunch of older vets who won those MVP back before the new talent, make them the best talent of today? See you keep bring up the last 10 years, in which I keep asking for today. Dirk isn't a superstar like you think (hell can't win in the playoffs). Your beloved KG couldn't either (in fact I remember most people gave him that MVP after his team made it out of the first round, and there was many who question if he didn't would he have won it), Tim (can't argue with him or Kobe). I mean if you look at history of the last 20 years West owns the MVP race. Now here is the grand question, in the last 20 years, how many MVP's have won titles? What 6 or 7 I believe. Last, how can you throw out the Magic would be beaten by the Blazers? See there goes your urge to overvalue again.

lol, I believe it's for protection of high school players. Kind of why I never understood NCAA and NFL don't follow the same rules?

probably not. So the 8 teams over there are all Championship teams. Well, sense the Mavs can't make it out of the 1st round, Den can't beat Lakers, Jazz can't beat Lakers I'd assume you are right. See the biggest argument is the 50 wins and more talent. I don't get where you get more talent from at all. Also you failed to see that if the Lakers are the best team in the West and proven that the last three years, then were is the championship contenders in the West? See you can say that they are all champion contenders in the West. When everyone truly knows the Lakers are the team to beat....... well then there truly aren't contenders out there. Once again, I don't get your argument about the top talent either. Since (in your words) have given no proof to back it up. At least when I said the West isn't that deep, I cited the fact that only two teams from the West have won a championship in the last 12 years. The East on the other hand has had 4. So go ahead, say the West and it's talented 50 wins team is the best conference. In the East people will continue to watch an an old broken down team, with a lousy SF and two 34 year old shells of themselves players whip up on the Magic. Then the West best

Wow, you're talented. You use on the fact that I didn't reread my post (to make sure there were no errors) to not support your answer. Hm, well how about this. I want you to give me support that claims the West is the best today. Stop giving me crap about 50 win teams, when we all know the only true contender is the Lakers. I am sorry I didn't check and make sure my post was perfect before I submitted it.

top 5 under 30 East: PG: Rondo SG: Wade SF: James PF: Bosh C: Howard West PG: Paul SG: C. Anthony (not his position SF: Durant PF: A. Stoudemire C: Jefferson

Yeah, see, the point was you overvalue the west and believe everything in the west is better, I argued If I remember right you stated that you overvalued them because they have been dominate for years, i disagreed. While they dominated the first 5 that was all, last 5 have been equal in championships, and before that they were blown away by the East since the start of the NBA and BAA You, stated that the East got old players from the West, I argued and said Shaq came from ORL, and the other two were raised in the East then you talked about KG and Allen being 34, and I said who cares if they are 34. Are you saying Jordan at 40 didn't scare you? you also talked about of Paul P. hasn't show up for the playoffs in which he has been their best player in the conf finals And I say the East is better than the West. You can continue to sit on your horse and scream about the 50 wins, while I can still sit here and say that's great. ticket for 15 to the Lakers headed for Boston. You're only proof that the West is deep is 50 game winners. But in this decade that was dominated by the West, how many NBA Champions came from the West..... if I remember right, just 2 (Lakers and Spurs) to were the East had 3(C's, Heat, and Pistons) Oh and by the way crownsy also mentioned how he overvalues the East as well, so someone did mention it So now, let's stay on this topic. You stated that the Lakers of two years ago, are better. Well aren't the C's..... you wouldn't say Rondo is looking like the best PG in the NBA? the fact that KG is healthy and Allen is still a sharp shooter with Paulie P playing lights out in the conf. finals? Ariza might just be a better player than Artest? besides of the fact that Ariza isn't going to run in the stands and attack someone let's look at stats Ariza had better stats despite playing 5 less games, also Ariza wasn't brought in to be just a defender, he was also brought in to help the offense, where Artest was brought in for the main purpose of defending... now is you pointed out that Battier is the best defensive player on Rockets, well Kobe is the best on the Lakers. so now bring your evidence that today the West is a better conf. than the East, and please leave your played out 50 wins at home. leave the 2000-2009 season alone. Give me solid proof that today, the West would dominate the East. also one more thing, the west is old.... the East is were the action is

Because of the simple fact that your are making people remember stuff they didn't dispute (from what I read), you are sitting here talking about how the West owned the decade, I don't remember anyone arguing with that, they said this year East was better (to them) That's great that the West is the deeper league....... with just one true team that can play for the title, and don't come back with the Spurs can as well, they have gotten old and Suns proved this year they aren't what they once were. Mavs are a playoff team that's only good for the 1st round, Suns are talented but not enough to beat the Lakers, Den is the same. None of the West top three are good enough to beat the Magic, C's, and Cavs (but once again, that's my opinion) Also I found that comment about the Wolves funny, because they beat all of 1 playoff team in the East (the Heat by 3) where they beat Dallas, Uath, and Denver a combined 4 times (3 on the road) and there other East wins were the likes of 6ers, Wiz, and Nets. So yeah they looked pretty bad in the East too Now let's get back to real topics that are current, because no one will ever agree with each other, and this forum has forgotten at times that people have their own opinions and to live with them. Is the West Deep...... who cares..... all that matters is who is the Best, West or East, last year it was the West. Who will it be this year?

http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2010/05/knicks_center_eddy_curry_order.html that's just crazy! no wonder the players complain about the CBA, they can't pay their bills, owners give them more revenue sharing please!

Top 4 vs Top 4 West first seed Lakers 1) LA vs Cavs; 0-2 (Lost both by a combined 21) 2) LA vs Magic; 1-1 (won by 6 at home, lose by 2 away) 3) LA vs Hawks; 1-1 (won by 89 at home, and blown out by 17 away) 4) LA vs C's; 1-1 (both games by 1 point) Overall; 3-5 Second Mavs 1) DAL vs Cavs; 1-1 (beat them at home by 7, blown out away by 16) 2) DAL vs Magic; 1-1 (won at Orlando by 10, then lost by 15 at home) 3) DAL vs Hawks; 1-1 (Lost at home by 5, won in OT by 8) 4) DAL vs C's; 1-1 (won at Boston by 9, then lost by 9 at home) Overall; 4-4 Third Suns 1) PHO vs Cavs; 0-2 (Lost both by 17 away and 18 home) 2) PHO vs Magic; 1-1 (Lost away by 22, won at home by 3) 3) PHO vs Hawks; 1-1 (Lost away by 1 and won at home by 8) 4) PHO vs C's; 2-0 (won both by 25) Overall; 4-4 Forth Nuggets 1) DEN vs Cavs; 2-0 ( won by 2 away in OT, won by 2 home) 2) DEN vs Magic; 1-1 (won at home 18, lost away by 6) 3) DEN vs Hawks; 1-1 (Lost by 25 away, won by 20 home) 4) DEN vs C's; 1-1 (Lost by 14 away, won by 9 at home) Overall: 5-3 So the top four teams in the West and top four in the East were even. You can go well the West is a deeper league, but at the end of the day your top four is all that matters. In the NFL it's Bengals, Pats, Chargers, Colts vs Vikes, Saints, Cowboys, Cards. NFC had 6 teams with double digit wins to the AFC's 4 does that mean the NFC is the deeper league? well the AFC had 8 teams at 8 wins or less (8 wins in NFL isn't a winning season nor losing season) NFC had 9 Final week of the season the NFC had no teams battling to make the playoffs, AFC had 5 So even though the NFC seems to have the deeper league, which top 4 were the best? That's my point, does the West have a deeper league..... yes is the East a better league top 4 wise.... I believe so. I never think it will be the Suns, Mavs, or Nuggets for the finals. But in the East you could see before the Playoffs the C's, Cavs, Magic, and yes before they tanked in the playoffs the Hawks battling for a title 3 of the four major awards went to the East. the East also had 3 of the 5 all nba first team...... but after that only 2 more on the third team So I guess it just in the end comes down to, do you want quantity or quality?

Sorry, I submitted it and tried to edit but it was acting up. I was going to edit it to where it said "most big stars are from the East (born wise)" And you are right, the West is a deeper league with the likes of the 6ers, Wiz, and Nets holding the East down. But remember the West had Blazers and Sonic battling for the top pick a couple years ago. Also I want you to remember that the NBA has always gone through this where one conf. is better than the other While the west may be 7 of 10 in 2000's it's been .500 the last 6 years (West was by far the much better conf. the first 6) But from 80-99 it was the East going 12 of 19 from 60 to 79 it was the east 15 of 20 50 59 it was the West 6 of 10 So the East holds a commanding lead overall, and with this years free agent class coming up, Lebron, Dirk, Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh, D-Wade. Anything can happen with the power shift. But seeing as how most of the teams with money are in the East don't look for many big names to go out West (not saying any wont, just not many)

Shaq played for ORL. first, most big stars are from the east. West dominated for years there, but it's a much more balanced league now. And Perice may have not shown up the first two rounds, but he's here now. Who cares if Allen and KG are 34. Are you saying just cuz Jordan was 40 he didn't scare you?

NFL Loses Big http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5214509 The case hurt, but what it really does is give the players leverage again in the CBA meetings. Hopefully with this done we will here more talks of a CBA being ironed out

I agree, even though Magic are my team and I still believe they are talented, I have never been a fan of Van Gundy. My biggest worry coming into the series was shooting the 3 for the Magic. It's their life-blood and I have never understood why, they have a very talented center that can score low but they never get it to him. They'll play four on the prem. and just him in the middle, meanwhile they are paying Gortat, Howard, and Bass somewhere between 20 and 30 million dollars combine to avg 27 points between them. I think Stan Van needs to go and someone with a real offense that can score when the 3's are going down, needs to come in.

I remember when the Bucs stumbled at the end of 08-09 and people blamed Garcia, but all I saw was that man put his body on the line for the team

valid point, my biggest thing was his first year he didn't have that connection and still was able to win. The importance of a QB to me isn't stats, Terry Bradshaw had horrible stats. To me what makes a QB stand out so much is his ability to win, adversity, and to come fall into a pile of crap and come out smelling like roses. as much as I love Manning and wanted to put him there, his SB performance wouldn't let me. Brees is a great QB as well, but those two bad season with the Saints and hurt his image for that. Like I said I want a winner, which I why I like someone like Jeff Garcia, he puts his body on the line to give his team that chance every game

he went 6-10, it was Jim Mora's last seaon, so I was wrong Manning has had 2 losing seasons. Brees has had 2 or 3 while Tom has never had any and yes he had Deion Branch, Patten, and Givens...... now what have those three done without him? my thing is while he has had WR, before Moss and Welker he never had a WR that scares you like a Colston, Wayne, Harrison type Troy Brown was a dependable wideout, who played whatever the team needed him to play

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d818415ad&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true okay couple things 1) if a new open aired stadium was made, game like SEC title game and others like that would probably rather play there 2) I have been in the Dome many of times, and while it isn't the best it also isn't the worst. I get why ATL would build their Falcons (even though they just had back to back winning seasons) a new stadium 1) because you build a nice big stadium Super is in your sites 2) They could do better than the Dome I just don't understand it myself because even if the new stadium was built in 7 years the Dome would only be 25, people like Vikes, 9ers and company must be kicking themselves because they have won Superbowls and have had several great teams and can't even tip toe towards a new stadium without someone objecting. But ATL seems to be right on board, so go Falcons if you get it

Santonio Holmes already disagreeing with his teammates and coaching staff lol Holmes comments: http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5205711 Ryans: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/05/jets-rex-ryan-says-super-bowl-should-be-played-in-new-york/1 Lol I know this is nothing but when your owner is trying to get something to happen, coming out and saying it shouldn't happen is quite funny interesting though is how now most arguements aren't about the cold, it's now about fairness of the game. M. Faulk said yesterday on NFL network that if the Dolphins were to make it playing the Giants or Packers how would it be a level playing field for the fins when they aren't use to the weather and the Northern teams are. He then went on to say that Northern teams like the Pats and Steelers have faired well in warm weather superbowl games. This will be interesting as we are only 4 days away from the announcement

You have to remember Colston is considered a top ten WR in the league by most NFL experts. The only reason his numbers don't reflex it is because of the fact that Saints run a spread offense and truly to spread the ball. You also have to remember that Meachem was a first round pick and is only going into his third year. But right now if you were a QB which group would you rather have to throw to? Saints (Meachem, Colston, Bush, Shockey) or Colts (Wayne, Clark, Addi, Gonzalez, Collie)

Still the highest broadcast TV show episode ever........... or something like that

To me Brees is not close to Tom and Peyton, because Tom and Peyton would never let a bad defense hold them down, Tom and Peyton would never let there teams go 7-9 or 8-8. But this arguement will be had through the end of their careers. Some will pick Manning, others Brees. I choose Brady because I like the underdog who wasn't drafted to be the franchise guy. I like a winner Manning and Brees have both won Superbowls, they have both had talented Wideouts. Brady won three and until Moss and Welker never had those franchise type WR. But again, this is something we could argue about forever and never get anywhere

Thought Remi would get a kick out of this http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/13774/the-new-york-super-bowl-debate

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5205871 I remember once a couple years ago when they protested that the Rays should forfeit a game because they weren't going to be on time because a Hurricane threatened the Bay area http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1875760

What!!!! really!!!! don't make me jump like a little school girl, I haven't watched all of it yet though man now i am scared lol