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my god you are so right, look the had the 18 best defense in the NFL wow that is amazing........ wait what's this..... (scrolls over to ranking of ppg) they were 8th hardest team to score on.... better than the vikes and saints
wow i guess you proved it, he had a very average defense!
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By saying Manning was a good or even viable choice, you're sort of defeating your argument that writers shouldn't be allowed to vote.
It's an opinion based award, just like the HOF.
Also, considering how awful the coaches polls can be in NCAA basketball and football, and how reticent to change the veteran's committees in all the HOFs have been, I'm not sure the solution is to give the decisions over to people 'in the business' as it were.
How is defeating my argument? Jim Rice should have been a HOF a long time ago but because he had a bad relationship with the media it took him a long time to get into it.
Manning is loved by the media... that helped him, i never said it was a horrible choice.
My argument is that the writers don't look at every aspect, Favre made everyone else around him better, and last time I check MVP mean Most Valuable Player. Which mean person who does the most and helps out the most
Favre made Sidney Rice into a threat, Percy Harvin looked very good his first year catching the ball, and made the vikes TE look good
Who did Manning make look good? Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne? They were good before this season.
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That is a ridiculous argument to make. Last year, the Vikings were a playoff team without Favre. Without Favre, they still would've been a good team. I doubt they'd have made the NFC title game, but they would have been competitive. Where would the Colts be without Peyton Manning?
I do think the writers can be biased at times, though. I'm at least partially with you on your first point. You just used what I think was a terrible example.
okay so with out Favre there are the second best team? I never said they weren't a playoff team, I said they didn't make it as far, they wouldn't have won there conference, plus Favre improved all his numbers, and made Sidney Rice look like the player we have been waiting for him to look at his first two years without a QB, playoff team with AP maybe, conference title game extremely doubtful so yes he was a huge huge huge peice of that team
i'm not saying Manning wasn't a good choice, i just believe Favre and Brees who both had better stats were the better choices
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personally I don't think writers should vote for crap.
Who truly believes Peyton Manning was MVP this year???????? sure he had great numbers but Brees had better, but to me Brees wasnt either, i believe Favre was, with out Favre the vikes didnt make it nearly as far.
Writers should just not vote, period, awards, Hof anything
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To me Ricky and Jeter are both first ballot with out a doubt.
Jeter is the best SS ever in Yankee history and has been a leader his whole time there, Henderson set records that were never meant to be set by a lead-off hitter
here is a better question..... does anyone believe Nomar is a hall of famer? injuries messed his whole career up, so I honestly say no, not when you have people like Jeter and A-Rod who were always considered better SS then you
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C- Johnny Bench, I had to put my mother’s favorite player on here. Also, he was one heck of a great catcher which is the real reason why he is on this list. Side note, both Yogi and Ernie Lombardi came close but at the end of the day Johnny to me is just a better fit.
1B- Lou Gehrig, I honestly believe he is one of the best if not the best First Baseman in baseball history. And it is not because I am a Yankee fan.
2B- Rod Carew, yes I know he played first base as well, but he is listed in the HOF as a 2B and I needed some more offense out of my infield. And if anybody fit’s the bill it would be Rod Carew.
3B- Brooks Robinson, I am going to throw Brooks in as my defensive third baseman. Yes offensively he was not fantastic but the guy was awesome defensively.
SS- Ozzie Smith, The Wizard of OZ was a fantastic defensive player much like with Brooks he is here for defensive purposes over his offensive numbers. And he had great speed as well.
LF-Ted Williams, as much as it pains me to put a Red Sox player on here. Ted does belong here. In my opinion he is the best hitter for AVG. ever. And if he did not go to both World War II and Korea he may have ranked up there on the HR list with Ruth and Aaron.
CF- Willie Mays, there a so many great CF’s who have played the game (heck the Yankees have two, who in my opinion would be right behind Willie). However, if you are looking for the ultimate five tool star here he is.
RF- Hank Aaron, this was another tough call because I really wanted to put down Tony Gwynn because he along with Albert Pujols are two of the best hitters I have seen actually play. However, at the end of the day Hank was a great home run hitter, hit for average, and played good defensively. And we all know Tony was no homerun hitter.
DH- Babe Ruth, following Gator’s lead I shall also put Babe in this slot as well. To me he is the best home run hitter of all time (Hank Aaron had a lot more AB’s and played in a longer season than Ruth did. And I am not going to even put Bonds into this because who knows how many “clean” homeruns he hit).
P- Sandy Koufax, his stats speak for themselves. Also it is always good to have a great lefty on your staff.
P- Cy Young, who am I to argue against the guy who has a pitching award named after him, for the best pitchers in the game? He also has the most wins of any pitcher in the history of the game, and he could go on short rest if need be.
P- Walter Johnson, the guy was a strikeout machine! Is there any other reason why not to have him on board?
P- Bob Gibson, for the intimidation factor alone. Just look it old footage of this guy, he looks like he wants to kill the batter (All though he said in an interview that he was not trying to intimidate the batters he just could not see the signs that Tim McCarver threw down).
P- Nolan Ryan, yeah his winning % was not all that great, just above .500. But I figure as long as my fictional team is not playing in NYC we should be okay. Nolan is another strikeout machine, and those seven no-hitters are not to shabby either.
Closer- Mariano Rivera, he is without a doubt the best ever in my book. Very few closers last year in and year out in that role and remain good. Mo has been able to do so. Now granted up where I live (in the heart of Red Sox nation), I always here idiot fans trying to compare Papelbon to him. And quite a few say that Papelbon is much better, but they know not what they speak of.
The only knock I have against Mo is that damn Diamondbacks series, which Gator eluded to. To this day I get pissed off when I think about that, even over the 04 series with the Red Sox, the Diamondbacks were in no way, shape, or form the better team and yet they won! Thanks for reminding me of that Gator…
As for a batting order, well I am not that great as a manager (I suck at OOTP) so I will leave that to the smarter baseball minds.
I like your pick of Brooks I really do (at 3B) it was between Evan Longoria, Brooks, and Schmidt, I choose Schmidt because even is still only 2 years into this, and Schmidt also had a wonderful glove (not like Brooks and his 16 Gold Gloves, but 10 is still impressive) but he also had the power numbers to play the position
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okay for gigles everyone make a team, 25 players who you would want on your team right now, Past and present, just starters and one closer though
C- Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez; Probably the greatest catcher ever, great defense, and very soild offense (.299 average), Johnny Bench's career AVG played a part as well
1B- Albert Pujols; yes there have been many greats here Lou Gehrig, Jimmie Foxx, but this man, can hit, play defense (2006 Gold Glove) and plays many different positions (started in LF, played some RF, 3B, 1B, and yes even SS) oh and if it wasn't for a man named Barry Bonds and cheating this man could have had 6 MVP's before he even turned 30
2B- Roberto Alomar; Jackie Robison was close but the defense this man gave, plus the ability to hit and steal made him a the man to me, sorry eddie collins and joe morgan
SS- Ozzie Smith; The Wizard, I sacrificed power (A-rod) and all around hitting for a great middle infield, yes A-rod has won gold gloves before but Ozzie was a defensive player through and through
3B- Mike Schmidt; A sacrifice in AVG, but power and the glove were always there, Brooks Robison got beat out because of the power numbers
LF- Ted Williams; sorry Stan Musial, you were great but Ted was the LF man
CF- Ken Griffey Jr; The reason I went with JR or mayes (besides the whole best athlete thing is) Griffey in 300 less games is only 30 HR's away from Mayes and I believe still to this day that without the injuires with the Reds this man would be number one all-time on most offensive and defensive cat. (gold gloves)
RF- Hank Aaron; Reason I choose him over Ruth is simple, he was a much better athlete, and in this line up, you can tell defenisve ablitiy does play a roll
DH- Babe Ruth; 1 MVP and 2 All-Star games.... Really, because I would do AL I have the luxury of letting Babe focus just on hitting, what a great player
Batting Order
1) Roberto Alamor
2) Ivan Rodriguez
3) Ken Griffey Jr.
4) Babe Ruth
5) Ted Williams
6) Albert Pujlos
7) Hank Aaron
8) Mike Schmidt
9) Ozzie Smith
Pitching
1) Left Grove; Don't know the name, look it up. I read books about this guy growing up, and when you can post a .680 winning % you are starting with me, plus the 300 wins, and the innings he can eat
2) Pedro Martinez; Hands down probably the most wicked stuff I have ever seen
3) Tom Seaver; Great pitcher, need I say more
4) Walter Johnson; Man won 2 MVP's..... as a pitcher, 2nd all-time in wins
5) Sandy Koufax; hey you win 65% of the time and you can start here
Closer- Mariano Rivera; Listen this guy is the greatest, might not hold the record for most saves ever, and does struggle some years, but would you be willing to give any other pitcher the ball with the basesload and no outs in the last inning of the seven game of the world seires........ it's okay, ill wait
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hmm, very true, Babe was the best baseball player ever (so far)
I guess I should rephrase my self, Griffey is the best all around athlete in baseball
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I think you're overstating the obvious here. The voters have ALWAYS looked at everything. That's why a true DH still isn't represented.
Rice was hurt by his relationship with the media, but his numbers also weren't exactly overwhelming (not even 400 HR or 1500 RBI at a power premium position).
Plus he was hurt because his candidacy came along right when offensive numbers exploded ...lotta 80 guys started looking bad in comparison: Garvey, Carter, Murphy etc
Frank Thomas put up historically significant numbers. He was bad in the field, and you could argue he wasn't the TOP 1b in the majors, but there's no way he's not in the HOF.
I believe i said Rice had a bad relationship with them, but also Rice was considered the best LF of his time, and lead the league in HR three times, and RBI 4 I believe.
but enough of this, Thomas will be a Hall of Famer, congrats, next name
Bagwell will go in this year in my opinnion
Larry Walker; With out a doubt, based off stats, but Injuries and the Coors effect will play into it
Edgar Martinez; Great hitter, one of the best in modern age, but didn't play D
John Olerud; consistent, had two great years
McGwire; Finally came clean, so does this help his standing?
Rafael Palmeiro; Another great player at 1B but a roid user
Juan Gonzalez; Has been linked but never found to have done roids, to me his head never got bigger, but was a great player
Kevin Brown; Very talented pitcher, injuries killed him
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Great argument. I would say that shows that Bagwell should definitely be a HOFer too.
Thank and once again I am not knocking Thomas, I think he was a great player with great stats, just not the best at his position at any one given time, sure maybe in the AL he ruled the 1B position for 6 years or whatever, but I believe until the emergence of Albert P. Bags was the man, he was more athletic, was more durable, better glove, and a great bat.
Today the people who vote players in look at a lot more than HR, if it weren't true Jim Rice would have been a first ballot, but many things go into it
Look at Dick LeBeau of the Steelers, the man is the 8th on the all-time INT leaders, just being passed for 7th this year by Sharper, has had tons of great Defensive teams, and just not got into the hall
They look at everything now, if you had a crappy relationship with the media (Bonds, Rice) they will keep you out of it, if you were a bad person on the outside of the game (Irvin) they will make you wait, numbers don't do it anymore, a lot more goes into it
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Frank Thomas was beyond the best at his position him and Ken Griffy were neck and neck for best in the league. He's got two MVP awards. The last two years of his thirties he hit a combined 65 home runs thats pretty damn good.
also no offense but no one touched Griffey, great all around, injuries truly destroied what I consider the best all around player probably ever, he is the Jerry Rice of the MLB
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Frank Thomas was beyond the best at his position him and Ken Griffy were neck and neck for best in the league. He's got two MVP awards. The last two years of his thirties he hit a combined 65 home runs thats pretty damn good.
see you are saying that based on stats, remember defense? Thomas was never considered a top 15 first basemen defensively
But I can think of many 1B
Jeff Bagwell, Mark Grace (not a power guy, but all around good player).
But once again this isn't mean knocking Thomas, stats wise he is in but the Hall doesn't just look at stats anymore, they look at everything. To me Bagwell was a much better player than Thomas ever will be.
From his swing (a very sweet swing) but look at the stats
Bags: AVG. .297; HR 449; RBI 1529, Walks 1401; SO 1558; OBP .408; SLG .540; SB 202; CS 72; Triples 32; Doubles 488; Hits; 2314; plus a gold glove and MVP
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bagweje01.shtml?redir
Now before I tell you Thomas' stats, Frank and Bags were actually born on the same exact day and year, so they are the same age. For Fairness I will cut them both off at 05 to compare their stats next to each other up to the time Bags retired
Thomas: AVG: .301; HR 440; RBI 1435; Walks 1420; SO 1108; OPS .419; SLG. 555; SB 32; CS 23; Triples 12; Doubles 495; Hits 2077;
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomafr04.shtml?redir
Great stats by both but to me Bags was the better athlete, better glove, and a better 1B then Thomas
P.S Truly odd they had the same birthday, also they both won their first MVP at the same time but Bags was the ML MVP as well as NL, didn't know that was an award
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the only thing I think that will knock on Thomas is he was never the best at his position
and about the steroids thing
http://media.photobucket.com/image/frank%20thomas/saucywombat/FRANK_THOMAS_RC.jpg
they head grew along with his body i guess, but that is beside the point, Frank may have never been the best at his position (1B/DH) but his stats stat that he is a Hall of Famer.
Personally I think the Steroid argument for guys up to vote is dumb as well, because all steroids does his help you get bigger, faster, and stronger. That might be cheating to some but don't protein shakes help you improve muscle as well?
Plus even with steroids you still have to hit the ball
But Thomas to me, steroid are not may not have been the best, like I have stated before, but certainly a Hall of Famer
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Is this dead?
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I love the snow and sWo segment... pure gold
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Nevermore i would love to play with your data!
P.S best diary out here cheers mate
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Japan vs. Ireland
The USA vs. England
Scheuled for Revolution:
Samoa vs. The sWo
Mexico vs. Canada
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Great Read i look forward to your entry every week
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