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I get all the complaints but this is the first time in a long while they had such an f up. And just watching one show especially with wrestling never really gets you emotionally invested imho. Ah well TNA will need another 2 months of good shows prolly to get people to give it a shot again. Such a shame. Post lockdown till this show was a really good run and most of the shows pre lockdown where good as well apart from GB. On nxt haven't they basically fused it with FCW? So will prolly be a bit different show. Ring Ka king is also a good laugh to watch, with the crowd its like being teleported back to the 70s.

It's mainly bad timing papa this was the worst show in like 3-4 months. Try last weeks show that should show you more of what they are actually doing lately.

The twist in the story is quite nice but the execution was horrid and yeah they still have some plotholes to fill before moving forward more. BTW papa that's the first time in a long while that the execution failed so badly. Show was too full as well but that we knew coming in. For the rest nice show and the opening segment was great.

Or Rock permitting filming schedules. They haven't officially promoted which title yet though. Just airing ads in Boston area where it will be held that he will be going after the title. But yeah 95 % chance it will be the WWE title and Punk will have prolly dropped it by then if they want to go 1 vs 1.

Apparently they are already promoting Cena for a title match at night of champions. Take a wild stab at which one. And yeah I totally understand your point about Cena as well.

Yeah we don't have minute by minutes so we can't really rely on reports (btw Michaels terrible draw in but great draw keeper). It's like I said when do you pull the trigger and they are kind of wasting it. It won't hurt Cena and can only help them in my opinion. And even if they do draw less then Cena that is always the case when you are elevating a guy as you are still elevating him. When they where elevating Austin for instance in '96 - 97 WWE was doing their worst numbers ever. One other thing, apart from general IWC love for Punk, Bryan, atm Ziggler, is that what they are doing is indicative of what WWE has been doing for a long time now and that is cannibalizing themselves and people are picking up on that on a (sub)conscious level. But that is a whole other debate and would take me a couple of hours to explain and is more a personal theory.

I am also of the general opinion that the opener is the third most important match, so I don't get upset when people complain about that. @dj Again it's nothing against Cena or whether or not he is past the belts at this point or delivers, but the opinion that having other guys be the ME could possibly help in the elevation process towards Cena level. As far as people tuning out you don't put say Kofi vs Swagger in that spot aka people that most fans have little reason to get behind atm but guys who are currently getting a push and given a reason to get behind like Punk, Bryan, Sheamus and/or the more established Kane, Show, Orton to help the first three get even closer to Cena level. In the end both are correct and it is all about finding the right time to elevate to the right level. For some the long current Cena run as ME is wasting opportunities to help elevate some guys that still need it and/or can get elevated and hurting title prestige aka the value of the crutch/prop. Its getting kind off like Jarrett in early TNA or Trips early 2000s only without the belt on Cena which makes it worse in some aspects and less worse in others.

I think that is the disputed part on both a conscious and subconscious level. Plus the extra time and attention the main event spot gets throughout the week and the ppv.

Stating strongly and stating as fact are two different things, you tend to go a bit too much towards strong fact the way you write. And no the whole it's an internet board so off course its opinion doesn't work imho. You are stating as fact so intend it to be regarded as fact. You are the writer, it is your responsibility to make sure that people intend it the way you want them to intend it. The way you wrote that piece did imply what he said. Stating as strong fact: This match sucked balls Strong Opinion: I thought this match sucked balls Strong reasoned opinion: I thought this match sucked balls because ............

Yeah JR was just trying to give an event that needed it a bit of extra hype. Can't blame the guy for trying and as he has no real power can't blame him for WWE not delivering either.

Yeah but wrestling isn't the same as you can manipulate what people think is the best song and people buying a ppv for just that song will be happy anywhere you place it as long as you place it etc. You need to see more matches or you really really like Ziggler fair enough. Aries vs Joe blew that out of the water and with less time imho. And yup Arrows.

Or his match with Kane at the Chamber. Plus placing them lower on the card won't hurt them/Cena at all either.

Psycho Micky = WWE fans love their crazy women, Kharma for while it lasted? Anyhoo from what I read it seems they had a very "smark" heavy crowd, which can be gold at times but not with this card aside from 3 matches where favs where involved.

I think the point that is actually relevant behind it all is the fact that the guys holding the straps are being elevated by them less because they are not in the main event and that their feuds are given significantly less time and attention. So Cena being beyond the belts atm = fine, Cena almost completely overshadowing the world title pictures = not fine. You can have these stories with Cena but put them in the semi main event, not counting filler in between, or the third match that matters on a card.

Wonder if Lanny will reply. Curious to finally hear something like this.

I think 411 had screenshots up and that the general consensus was that they where fake or hack.

Yeah but as we don't know where they are going with it its just fun speculation, they might never be revealed and just referred to as hired goons kinda like muhamed hassan's pals who did that job on taker that caused such a storm. They could just be some 3D students and or OVW talent, like with the other Abyss at the Slam.

Yeah sorry just didn't want to triple posts. And thought it would be clear I wasn't referring to you. As far as Kofi and entertaining goes the chances he did get to show character he did pretty well and it was in a face role which is even harder. Kinda like Morrison who is a great heel promo but crappy face promo but has a for WWE face moveset. One of the reasons Morrison could do better in TNA where he can be heel and have that moveset as enough other guys have movesets like it, Morgan is kind of the opposite look and moveset more suited to WWE. But that's a different discussion entirely.

Wrong choice of words plothole is what I meant. Nation of Violence was pre abduction and actually toned down to just his intro post abduction. The whole abduction was to get him away from that inc on his face knife wielding gimmick. Now it probably just refers to Samoa in his intro. Who or why etc abducted him was never explained. I think we might get a Joey Ryan led anti TNA faction with the goal of bringing back Impact fans lost during the 2009-2011 period. But that it is a separate storyline I think. Could be the same though or a shoot, hell its fun either way but still thinking work. Another thought I had was Daniels already starting a new storyline for when the AJ one plays out. It would fit with the current persona he is portraying. Avenging Angel Sting vs Fallen Angel Daniels could be a good program if played right.

Yeah but there have been legions of Batista look guys before and after him. If you where not up to snuff you where gone pretty fast. Luke who won tough enough, so a lot invested in him, that body guard guy for Tyson Kidd, and hell Rob Terry and a lot of other guys that never made television. He might be a little stiff like you said but that's far away from unsafe. And sorry I went a bit off the wall there but calling me dismissive and insular just because I am arguing against you is not my cup of tea. You give your arguments I give mine, maybe we both learn something maybe we stand by our arguments etc. I wasn't being dismissive or insular I was counter arguing big difference. On Kofi, I think its more his consistency that's the problem in TEW terms as he seems to miss spots sometimes etc and then the psychology part kicks in as almost all matches are scripted these days. Having a high flying style doesn't necessarily mean bad psychology.

Prove it! btw being contrary and not just taking spoon fed info from dirtsheets isn't the same as being dismissive and insular.

Ok lets go deeper into it. Most of those muscle bound guys in FCW tend to get cut if they don't improve or remain unsafe in the ring. They sure as hell generally don't make the main roster. Dude has been in dev and then on tv for 8 years. If he still wasn't safe no matter his look he would have been cut ages ago.

*facepalm* You do realize Meltzer is full of shit most of the time right? This is just one lazy ass story with semi believability due to that history / perception and the goldberg comparisons that creates easy hits for the site.

Just repeating the original source mate not multiple sources there is a difference.

Yeah not buying that, just getting hits and increasing Goldberg comparisons. Nobody had problems when he was Sheffield or in FCW. Dude has been wrestling for 8 years now and preparing for it for 10. If he was really that bad he would have been cut long ago. The continual jobbers is just his current gimmick.