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My TEW 2020 game isn't far enough in but in my TEW experience overall, companies really only go bankrupt if you compete on contracts and force them to pay a bunch, wage match, creative control, etc. You can make them eat a lot of bad deals.
Overall, enjoying it.
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<p>I also wish we could get a slightly more indicative wording - for example, it might be confusing whether Rowan and Harper are HW or Big BW. What about Big Cass, is he a Giant? I mean, he's as tall as Big Show, taller than Braun, but only half the mass of Braun or Show. So would he be Big? Because I think of Super Heavy as those... King Kong Bundy, Tugboat, Earthquake and Loch Ness. I am iffy on whether Vader should be a Big HW or Super HW, given I have seen his Vadersaults and flipping piledriver powerbomb things in Japan. </p><p> </p><p>
So I wish it were just a little more indicative of what defines a category.</p><p> </p><p>
WWE was using Finn Balor as a Heavyweight, who's shorter in height than Neville (PAC) who was their cruiserweight champion. AJ Styles would barely make Light Heavyweight and is short.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="wolfwwe" data-cite="wolfwwe" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47568" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think the "Size" system is way off. For example: MLW's Middleweight Title in real life is basically mostly for those around 175-205 lbs, but in this game, Middleweight is 230-260? Since when is a 260 lb person considered Middleweight?<p> </p><p> I think it should be</p><p> </p><p> Small (below 145)</p><p> Lightweight (145-175)</p><p> Middleweight (175-205)</p><p> Light Heavyweight (205-235)</p><p> Heavyweight (235-300)</p><p> Big Heavyweight (300-375)</p><p> Super Heavyweight (375+)</p><p> Giant (Special Cases)</p><p> </p><p> Edit: just can't get over a light Heavyweight being 290 lbs lol...Brock is a Light Heavyweight? ��</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree and we should be hitting the suggestions forum to campaign for this change. Your system here looks believable.</p>
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I haven't done that, but now I almost consider it a challenge to have a zero-rating match in the middle of a show, and still pull off a 96+ rating.
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<p>I would love this! I find myself recreating almost every Default Match and renaming them the same way.</p><p> </p><p>
1 vs 1 Technical</p><p>
1 vs 1 Hardcore</p><p> </p><p>
I wind up with a bunch of them all named the same way. But I always want my matches showing up first, as they're what I use the most, outside of vanilla single, tag, and three way single/tags.</p>
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I basically want my custom product from TEW2016 as close as possible, which was:
Mainstream/Realism: Heavy
Cult/Risque: Medium
Modern/Comedy/Hardcore: Low (I wanted Medium but didn't want their forced matches to hinder me).
My definition then, is: Intensity/Danger 20%.
- Vocal Fans
- Rated more on Pop
- Ariel less effective
- Fans expect to have a gimmick
- hey love risky gimmicks.
- They expect storylines, and a story telling match.
- No afternoon or early evening TV, sponsorship is very tough.
- Not rocked by changes
- Young Lions active
What I would want to change about this product, if I designed it myself, and my actual product intentions and vision:
- Vocal fans for the TNA/AEW/ECW vibe. Interactive show.
- I would want Pop=Performance.
- I would want the ability to run an occasional Comedy or Technical Masterclass or Hardcore Match without the fans dumping on the whole card, and also without being forced to do it every time.
- A vision where Cult/Risque is less about smut an porny crap, and more about morally grey storylines, use of suspense, thriller, social critique and adult level storylines. So there's zero T&A.
I envision a product with a workrate around 30% and injury risk about 20%, content risk about 40%-60%, this isn't for kids - but it's on Prime Time, so like RAW and AEW, they have to tone it down and save the big stuff for PPV shows. There is comedy used about 20% of the time. The idea is to use humor to lighten the sometimes serious mood, while also having a few comedy acts - face and heel, and some of the heel comedy involves mean-spirited, snarky promos and trolling comments. Some of the face comedy involves occasional pranks (that sometimes go wrong) and the way that a disaster/tragedy can be made really funny to help absorb the dire severity of the situation.
The main focus of my intention is to have as many match booking options as possible with the fewest required matches possible other than Storytelling. I detest being forced to have all subtle characters or none. I like the maximum freedom without feeling disparaged or imprisoned by my product.
I also don't want to deal with constant Workrate related injuries and high risk stuff. This isn't AEW or NJPW. This work rate might look a little more like Memphis Wrestling, which saw a bit of everything from the late 70s and early 80s - from spotfests to hardcore matches, from comedy matches to technical masterclasses.
Final note: Somewhere between the worlds of AEW, WCW 1995-97, and Memphis Wrestling with cinematic scenes, skits, and matches. Like AEW, it claims to have a "sports vibe". Unlike AEW, refs always count, rules always matter, and the matches are not flippy spotfests, though an occasional flipper just might spotfest once every few weeks. But not every night.
I fear the only way I will be able to get what I want is to pick the "None" option if there is one, because nothing is more unfun to me in TEW than being forced to run the same 4 match types every week or being unable to run them; and having Match Intensity/Injury 40%, just no fun. Maybe some people "enjoy the challenge", to me it's not really a challenge, it's just tedium and agony and the only other option is having a company that doesn't feel at all like what I want it to.
This is why I was unhappy about being able to make our own products; because while I type this, all I can think about is someone saying "Oh, that's a cheat product. Just turn of X or Y in the options" - I'd rather just never play than never play what I want, where "meaningful choice" translates to "much less fun".
Hopefully some of the products people want will make it into the game, but really - hopefully we can be allowed to put our own products in somehow, because it sucks feeling like I need to justify my product and explain why it's not a "cheat product".
It's not about having no challenge, it's about "what is fun, anyway?" and applying that to the game. For me, the "fun" comes from building my company and workers, building epic rivalries and faction wars, and putting on a good show - not
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My two all-time dream matches:
1. The Undertaker vs Sting. It would've been beautiful gold.
2. Kurt Angle 2002 vs Bret Hart 1997. That would've been wonderful gold of the American Olympic Hero and the Canadian Excellence. I could only imagine Kurt Angle and Del Wilkes as The Patriots helping fend off Bret, Owen, Bulldog, and Anvil.
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I don't know how or I would. I just been using Scrivener.
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My eyes are on Spencer Spade and Tommy Jr. I feel that Tommy Sr, Champagne Lover, Marat, Ricky DeColt, and some of the other big dogs are fast on their way out.
I will be watching Killer Shark who I see Vader level of upside in, even though he might be just another Otis. I also see Boneyard as having that viciousness I want in a King Mabel but I fear he might also be another Mr. Hughes.
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Hey guys, I've been a part of this great community for quite some time now, and I just wanted to do something to give back to the community. I don't have the talent/time/wrestling knowledge to make a mod or anything so I thought I would do a giveaway for TEW 2020!
All you gotta do to enter is post in this thread. To keep the thread interesting lets just say you have to post what your favourite wrestling moment of all time is. The only restriction I'm going to place is that accounts must be at least 2 weeks old and should have a minimum of, lets say, 10 posts. Just to make sure people don't enter with a bunch of alts. I'll announce the winner the day the game comes out. Good luck!
This is very hard. Hogan's NWO turn was wonderful. Another one was the ECW Invasions of RAW in 95-98 on and off. My favorite moment? I will be lambasted, I am sure - it's a toss between Kenny winning his IWGP Heavyweight Championship, and the All Out PPV, which I attended live. It proved AEW's promise to offer a real alternative in a big arena. Have they lived up to it? I mean, it took TNA several years to reach their peak ratings. Even then, they struggled to sell PPVs. AEW with just a year in, Dynamite not being one year yet, has already matched the highest TNA PPV sales and I think they will pull through the next few rough years just fine.
So for me - it's All Out, the event itself.
I was also a big fan of Vader vs Cactus Jack in WCW, that was ECW before there was ECW. There was also a show I attended as a kid where Ox Baker took on Terry Funk. Ox worked as the face!
I also met Dick the Bruiser at a signing when I was a wee lad.
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Shocking 80:
Demolition and Dakota Darsow defeated The Headshrinkers and Lance Anoa'i.
Shocking 60:
Batista vs Goldberg vs Brock Lesnar (WWE Championship)
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Yes this has always been an issue with TEW. In fairness to Adam, it's only in the last few years that women's wrestling has blossomed in North America and the UK. TEW 2016 was announced in January 2016; At that time we'd only just had the first Takeover headlined by women, Asuka was freshly debuted in NXT, the Becky/Charlotte/Sasha showstealer at WM was still 3 months away and they were still fighting over the Divas title... Yes, women's wrestling existed outside WWE, but it was rare for companies to present it as equal to the men's division.
I'm delighted that AI feds will be able to run equal men's and women's divisions in 2020, but as a booker myself I either run fully integrated shows or have them as separate-but-equal; How else am I supposed to run a company where I have Lucy Stone-McFly and David Stone on the same roster?
With high respect to Adam, you're wrong and Adam did a disservice to the many Broads - not ladies, divas, knockouts, gals - but broads, defined as tough as nails and full of grit. The women of the 1930s to 1980s were an amazing cast of high calibur talent that sold out shows and worked on the same level as men in many cases. People act like it was Moolah, Mae, and in the 80's add Elizabth, Sherri, and Wendi.
I apologize if my post comes off hostile in any way, but I must stand by history and say there should've always been product settings that allow women to be booked as men (main eventer, upper midcarder, midcarder). It isn't that I don't understand why - it's that I believe the design choice was wrong.
In the golden age of wrestling, alongside Mae and Moolah, there were legends such as June Byers, Penny Banner, Mildred Burke, Betty Weston, Gladys Gillem, Babe Gordon, Purple Flash - women who entertained before, during, and after World War II. These are the Rosie the Riviters of Pro Wrestling. And in the 1950's there was a huge boom of women's wrestlers - and thanks to Billy Wolfe, who went to promoters insisting that women's wrestling is popular, we had a women's revolution and women were gaining steam in the business.
Unfortunately, in the 50's, is also when "The Broads" changed toward the Hollywood Babe instead, and even Mildred Burke demanded her students be in top shape and look like models, with promoters and bookers slowly using more sex appeal and tacky segments.
The joke lower midcard product you mention - that was mostly created in the Rock 'N Wrestling age. Even in the late 1980s to mid 1990s, lets not forget about Japan with legends like Bull Nakano and Combat Toyota. Women have always had a place in professional wrestling.
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I have a grave concern about "Money, Money, Money" update post.
My fear is that with the AI always begging for raises, it won't take very long to cap out what a WWE size company can offer, and you'll be forced to give everyone creative control and even that won't work for very long - it will make the game miserable for many, and people will just use the editor to reset contract wages every week after promising the maximum money the game will permit you to offer (let alone that you can actually make).
Maybe make wrestlers asking for raises an "optional feature" to separate the Gamists from the Simulationists and appease both crowds?
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="redhilleagle" data-cite="redhilleagle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47197" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm just wondering what people are planning to do when 2020 is released. I'm torn between doing a brand new UK based fed on a real world mod or having a go at the CVerse for the 1st time.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My "world' of 14 companies will FINALLY be allowed to properly exist, by having women's divisions not limited to "Lower Midcard' status. The new "Attribute System" will allow me to make my characters dynamic and interesting instead of just slider one inch left or right of middle, depending on whether I want the guy/gal to be a little bit of a problem or a little less likely to be one. I always set 100% liberal and 100% not religious. I need workers who I can use.</p><p> </p><p> My current product is:</p><p> Main- Mainstream</p><p> Main- Realistic</p><p> Medium- Cult</p><p> Medium- Risque (No T&A, not porno company but uses some darker themes and might be Rated R)</p><p> Medium- Comedy</p><p> </p><p> The idea is to have no mandate for high injury risk matches, running complex storylines that drive everything, a match style that's focused on "Believable" (not "Realistic"). I set Modern to "Off". I wanted a loud audience without having to be Porn or Hardcore. I do have people who swear in promos, occasional violence, a few horror themed characters. I wonder if in TEW 2020, my ideal setting is "None" because I want the ability to occasionally have a Comedy Match or Technical Masterclass without being obligated to having one every week.</p><p> </p><p> I don't view it as "cheating" to manipulate the product to be 20% workrate, 20% risk injury, loud audience, no mandate of hardcore stuff or porn (I interpret Risque not as porn, but also as Stephen King style Suspense-Horror). That's just the promotion I want - with deep storylines and the ability to run an occasional alt-match type (comedy, sex appeal, technical, etc) without being forced to put a bunch of match types on my show or have fans who hate gimmicks or demand too much violence. I want fans who love gimmicks, prefer Risky Content (doesn't prefer injury risk), and doesn't hate or mandate subtle characters. </p><p> </p><p> So, I will probably find TEW2016 more firiendly as right now there are 3 Ideal Product Settings for me that I always use. I have one for maximum tradeoff, one for minimum reward and minimum requirements, and one for middle of the road, but they all kinda have the same theme and goal. So in this one, I will probably find 2-3 products I like or set them all to "none" if everything with the audience I want requires too much injury or hardcore.</p><p> </p><p> I personally enjoy the perfect show theory challenge, 5-6 storylines, and a roster of about 70 wrestlers. I will probably cut it down to about 40 but to be fair, I use about 8 tag teams, and about 5-6 Trios (most of my singles stars are either True Solo or Faction Member). I have a LOT of faction interplay.</p>
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<p>I prefer to set women's to "Integrated" and book them the same as men. I don't do mixed or intergender matches ever, but I like women to have the ability to reach mid and upper midcard levels.</p><p> </p><p>
In my AEW game, I put Jayme Hater and Bea Priestly into Dark Order with that blonde guy as their Exalted One who I named "Sam Smiles" and he's a "VERY NICE GUY", think the song "Mister Happy" from ICP (i know, unbearable band, but that song is the theme of this character and thus, Dark Order as a... HAPPY place).</p><p> </p><p>
Point is - I like to book women in the same way I do men, and sometimes into the same angles.</p><p> </p><p>
I can't set up a company to work this way because the 2016 AI will either release them all or they will just be jobber division, or they will have integrated matches.</p>
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<p>1. Would it be possible to allow users to create tags/attributes?</p><p> </p><p>
2. Would it be possible to use the Attribute System to give certain companies attributes as well? Maybe for the future or future versions? (</p><p> </p><p>
(Maybe interactions between promotion tags, audience region tags, and attribute worker tags, a harmony can be made?)</p>
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<p>According to Wikipedia:</p><p> </p><p>
"The ladder match could have been invented by either Dan Kroffat of the Stampede Wrestling organization out of Calgary, Alberta, Canada or British wrestler Kendo Nagasaki. In September 1972, Stampede Wrestling held the first ever ladder match between Dan Kroffat and Tor Kamata, where the object to be grabbed was a wad of money. In 1987, Kendo Nagasaki competed in a 'Disco Challenge' ladder match against Clive Myers on the popular [World of Sport](<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Sport_(UK_TV_series" rel="external nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Sport_(UK_TV_series</a>)). The aim of this match was to retrieve a gold coloured disco record suspended above the ring."</p><p> </p><p>
In those days, there were lots of crazy stuff - Indianapolis and Detroit featured wild brawls, hardcore bloodbaths, Memphis replaced ropes with barbed wire. It's not like Pre-1995 pro wrestling looked like High School Wrestling with a few suplexes, bodyslams, dropkicks, and chest chops.</p>
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Natural Champion - Worker gains a small bonus to any match or segment in which a Championship is defended.
Paper Champion - Worker gains a small penalty to any match or segment in which a Championship is defended.
Most Electrifying - Worker gains momentum faster and loses momentum slower from Angles.
Generic - Worker gains momentum slower from matches and angles, and gains a small bonus when losing in a match or angle.
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Jobber To The Stars - Doesn't lose momentum (or loses less momentum) when jobbing to someone of equal or higher "push" or however it's calculated this time around.
Vanilla Bean - Worker does not gain Charisma and Star Power. No matter what this person does, it comes off less exciting.
Exotic Fruit - Worker gains Charisma and Star Power faster; something about the star's appearance, movement and form, or style causes fans to perceive this star as more "cool" than they really are.
Golden Shovel - Doesn't like losing to anyone of equal or lower position or importance. Occasionally makes opponent look bad; if losing anyway when not wanting to, might just make the match look bad.
Stepping Stone - Worker doesn't get mad losing to workers of lower importance and occasionally makes the opponent or match look good if taking a clean loss to a lower ranked/importance worker.
Cult Following - Worker has their own fan base outside of Pro Wrestling that follows them. 1, Worker is penalized less for "toxic" and "incidents" - his/her fans always agree.
Role Model - Due to fame outside the wrestling world, this worker has higher expectations from society; worker is penalized more for "toxic" and "incidents" and is always under fire from the media.
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Epic Cardio - Worker's stamina goes down slower for working long or multiple angles/matches in one night.
(this replicates people like Bret, Shawn, Benoit, etc., who could "go" for an hour and still look good when they're gassed out. Not just Ironman Matches but also Classic Tournaments where a guy might do 3 interviews and two segments (a post-match interview and a crowning at the end).
Bad Cardio - Worker loses stamina faster than normal. (Replicates things like Eldertaker, Sleepy Brock, and Unmotivated Kane - whether it's due to age or personality of being lazy).
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I start with a 2 year plan - Who do I want to be on top?
I usually book faction-based organizations so I have a pretty easy time. Knowing who the factions are, and are at war with gives me my booking.
I usually keep a bloated roster and focus on Tag, Tag Triple Threat, and Triple Threat matches. I save One on One matches for The Big Four.
This lets me star my midcarders with upper midcarders, and main eventers with upper midcarders.
I keep a thin top and heavy middle - and no bottom. I have no lower midcarders or beneath.
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What's the rule for how much of a bonus you need to make someone happy again? Is it based on a percentage of their salary?
Their salary factors in, and the personality types can factor in. Selfish guys love being paid bonuses.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Razor Sharp" data-cite="Razor Sharp" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I signed Nicky Champion after he left USPW from a scandal as GCG. His popularity tanked a ton, and he could never gain any back, so he was stuck as an Opener for his entire tenure until I let him go and he didn't get a job until his scandal was over. I don't think I saw any effects from hiring him or keeping him on though.<p> </p><p> He resigned with USPW almost immediately and went back to being a Main Eventer, by the way.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When this happens, I sign the guy and put them on vacation for 6 months and then another 6 if I need to. I won't benefit "now" from him, but later I will.</p>
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Will there be any changes to the way Art Assets are handled? I want to get a start on learning how to do the art stuff.
I wanna make my own promotion WITHOUT stealing alts/rerenders from the threads, and that means making my own art but I don't know anything about how to use DAZ or anything else.
Any tips would be appreciated.
Promotion History methodology?
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When creating a promotion, how far do you flesh out its history and eras prior to the current one? Do you create "dead" workers who were a Champ in 1920 just to HOI them?
Question: Would it be appropriate to declare an Alliance in 1900 between people, not promotions. The separate regional champions and a financier mutually agreed to settle a "World" Champion with a tournament and traveling/defending champion but nobody's a "promotion". So there's an Alliance with a World Title and later, a Tag Title. I am also under the assumption people are performing on "Indy Shows" to win Tournament Championships. Big shows, but still "Indy" because they're not owned by like, WWE. Therefore, this speaks more like an Alliance than a Promotion and promotions came about as a result of alliance disagreements and a desire to "cut the pie", and wrestlers demanding a bigger cut. Would this be considered a major irritant to the community-at-large? Would people just "feel" like it MUST be a promotion? The idea is to declare the Alliance age at 1920, the Promotion age to 1970, and the World Title to 1900.