DOTM: Cornellverse Poll

[Zeel1]

Point of interest. The current top 3 dynasties all feature Edd Stone. There's a tip for prospective writers. If you want awards, use the 24 Hour Party Animal. He's awesome.

 

You know, you may be on to something. The NAPC was pretty much a filler team to help boost the tag division when they first came up, and back then, I only finished 2nd in the Rookie polls, at most. Now that they've developed into a regular fixture of the shows, I'm but a single vote away from tying for DOTM.. (For the third time in two days! WOO WOO WOO! )

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Point of interest. The current top 3 dynasties all feature Edd Stone. There's a tip for prospective writers. If you want awards, use the 24 Hour Party Animal. He's awesome.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">NEVER!!!</span></strong> <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[mistaken]

<p>this is a bump</p><p> </p><p>

now on a more preachy note. A general theme of complaint seems to have emerged that the same people win over and over. but when we have truly deserving person, with the numbers to match (Zeel1) it looks like he may well come up short to a writer who has already won twice this year.</p><p> </p><p>

I am in no way saying you should or should not vote for Self, I am just saying voting for Self really takes the wind right out of the argument that people don't want the same person recognized several times a year. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Nedew]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mistaken" data-cite="mistaken" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am just saying voting for Self really takes the wind right out of the argument that people don't want the same person recognized several times a year. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm in the 'rargh not the old boys club winning again' camp, but frankly Self overrides that <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> He's my favourite writer, i just have that bias towards him that gives me the justification to myself to vote for him despite my views.</p><p> </p><p> Hypocritical? Probably. But we've all got our reasons <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Marcel Fromage]

<p>I'm holding off voting for the time being because I've not been on the boards much recently and am not up to date with the diairies at present - sorry to those guys whose diaries I regularly try to predict and comment on.</p><p> </p><p>

As for the 'old guard' issue - as a primary school teacher, I get this all the time. 'So-and-so has done it before, so give someone else a chance'. And as a choir director as well, I get it with 'so-and-so always get the solos rather than other people'. In the first example, I can kind of understand - they are kids and they should get a shot wherever possible and things should be shared around. In the second example, they are adults and, in my opinion, the best person for the job will always get the solo. Here, we're adults. I don't think we need to mollycoddle each other and 'give everyone a chance'. If a diary is honestly the best in that month, I don't care if it's been voted DOTM 6 times before. If it's the best, it deserves the honour. It's for others to match up to it.</p><p> </p><p>

Plus, if anyone here is simply doing a diary with the sole aim of being DOTM, they should stop right away. It's a nice added bonus if you win it. There are so many good pieces of writing on here that, to me, just being nominated is already reward enough for writers. That said, my inclusion in this month's voting is pretty scandalous given my recent output and I'm actually pleased to have got no votes as I certainly don't deserve any this month! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Zeel1]

this is a bump

 

now on a more preachy note. A general theme of complaint seems to have emerged that the same people win over and over. but when we have truly deserving person, with the numbers to match (Zeel1) it looks like he may well come up short to a writer who has already won twice this year.

 

I am in no way saying you should or should not vote for Self, I am just saying voting for Self really takes the wind right out of the argument that people don't want the same person recognized several times a year.

 

I'm glad you think I'm deserving, but I really don't mind being at something of a disadvantage. The diaries that have been entertaining people for nearly a full year are always going to be more beloved then ones that just came up a couple of months ago. Honestly though, I don't know if that's even the case. This is my first month of eligibility, and I'm two votes away from a two time winner. It would certainly seem as though people are ready to give me the chance.

 

Thing is though, the old gaurd is typically going to have an advantage, because they've obviously built up a bigger fanbase. Just like me with Gen-S in the last few months - if you've got one diary that's your absolute fav, that you'd put above all others, then naturally, you'd vote for it every time it's up there. Diaries that have won multiple times have thusly had the biggest number of people who think they're the best, and if people think that way, then that's not likely to change very quickly.

 

But as I said, I don't think this is a case of the old gaurd getting favortism. I've gotten 11 votes, and the poll's still going to be up for a few more days..I've no complaints.

[Self]

This isn't an old school vs new school battle. Nobody should feel pressured by their beliefs on anything other than which diary they thought was the best last month. That's the only thing that should matter. I don't want special treatment because I'm old school.

 

Still freaks me out that I'm considered 'old school'. Much like Zeel, the very first time I was eligible for the big dance, I did very, very well. So despite my two wins (although one was a draw) it's not like I slowly built up to it.

 

I'M NOT OLD!!!

[Huntman]

I'm saying

 

XWA: American Wrestling Just Got Serious

 

Because I just love it. Plus it is the only one I've managed to catch up and read all of it.

[James Casey]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> I'M NOT OLD!!!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Besides, if Self is old, what does that make me? <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> As others have dropped away, I think I'm about 3rd or 4th longest running diary around here <img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Like Huntman, I think XWA edges it for me. I'd love to say I've read them all (I usually try) but this month has been crazy busy for me, so I've been reading and not even commenting a lot of the time.</p>

[Phantom Stranger]

<p>Some of us needed to get Old Guardish.</p><p> </p><p>

I mean, yeah, PPPW (diary #4) got the Rookie vote. And then, while consistently nominated, lost out all the way until the final month.</p><p> </p><p>

TCW: A Quiet Retirement (diary #5) got the Rookie vote. And then, while consistently nominated, has so far turned in second, third or fourth.</p><p> </p><p>

If people start complaining about long-running diaries showing a lot, then really, I gotta say meh. I went around a year in total before my first win, another seven or eight months before my first DOTM win, and I may well take as long to get another if I do.</p><p> </p><p>

Some of us do need the longevity, frankly, just to get the build in.</p><p> </p><p>

Looking at the diarists who've been going longer than me who got nominated in the C-Verse... Dragonmack took heavy breaks, ditto NoNeck, and the others <em>are all Hall of Famers</em>.</p><p> </p><p>

Now maybe you meant they won more often than I have.</p><p> </p><p>

On the other hand, looking at the diarists who've been nominated this month who've won more than me...</p><p> </p><p>

Well, Self has a co-win over me, unless the Rookies cancel that.</p><p> </p><p>

Oh, hey look - the others are Hall of Famers, NoNeck and D-Mack.</p><p> </p><p>

So OK, maybe I'm a problem too. if that's so I'm afraid we must agree to disagree.</p>

[Self]

<p>Never won a Rookie Award. The first time I was nominated I ended up a respectable midcarder, and <em>I wasn't even nominated</em> in the second month I was eligible. The hazards of a fictional promotion, I guess.</p><p> </p><p>

That or my month 2 output REALLY sucked.</p>

[Huntman]

<p>Woo XWA 2 votes! </p><p> </p><p>

Next month...NEXT MONTH!</p>

[mistaken]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Phantom Stranger" data-cite="Phantom Stranger" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Some of us needed to get Old Guardish.<p> </p><p> I mean, yeah, PPPW (diary #4) got the Rookie vote. And then, while consistently nominated, lost out all the way until the final month.</p><p> </p><p> TCW: A Quiet Retirement (diary #5) got the Rookie vote. And then, while consistently nominated, has so far turned in second, third or fourth.</p><p> </p><p> If people start complaining about long-running diaries showing a lot, then really, I gotta say meh. I went around a year in total before my first win, another seven or eight months before my first DOTM win, and I may well take as long to get another if I do.</p><p> </p><p> Some of us do need the longevity, frankly, just to get the build in.</p><p> </p><p> Looking at the diarists who've been going longer than me who got nominated in the C-Verse... Dragonmack took heavy breaks, ditto NoNeck, and the others <em>are all Hall of Famers</em>.</p><p> </p><p> Now maybe you meant they won more often than I have.</p><p> </p><p> On the other hand, looking at the diarists who've been nominated this month who've won more than me...</p><p> </p><p> Well, Self has a co-win over me, unless the Rookies cancel that.</p><p> </p><p> Oh, hey look - the others are Hall of Famers, NoNeck and D-Mack.</p><p> </p><p> So OK, maybe I'm a problem too. if that's so I'm afraid we must agree to disagree.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My comment was not ment to offend. it was meant to address the off & currently ON push to let people win just once a year.</p><p> </p><p> I was using the voting patterns to say, if that was the consensus, then this is the month that proves why the rules are the way they are. if the GROUP really felt a person should not get a win more than once a yea/ once a quarter, they would be getting behind zeel1 rather than self.</p><p> </p><p> I think both writers have fantastic diaries. I LIKE the rules the way they are. if you are good enough to win 6 times in one year, that's a diary I want to read. and it's why I added to a hall of records a ranking of last years diaries based on over all votes. It showed those diaries you probably should take a look at as they preformed well enough to get nominated, and voted on month after month.</p><p> </p><p> Take a look, it took a lot of time to assemble: <a href="<___base_url___>/topic/26850-ultimate-fight-league-season-1-gds-vs-ewb/?do=findComment&comment=526084" rel="">Hall of records 2008 stats</a></p>

[maskedpropaganda]

I honestly don't even know if I have ever commented on it (I am a lurker), but after the greatness of his last diary I make sure to keep up with Stranger's TCW and I love it so voted for that.

[Phantom Stranger]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mistaken" data-cite="mistaken" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My comment was not ment to offend. it was meant to address the off & currently ON push to let people win just once a year.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oddly enough, it wasn't your comment that prompted that screed.</p>

[Nedew]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Phantom Stranger" data-cite="Phantom Stranger" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oddly enough, it wasn't your comment that prompted that screed.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I had realised <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I just have somewhat of a natural bent towards personal favouritism in the face of even my own logic.</p>

[Phantom Stranger]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Nedew" data-cite="Nedew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I had realised <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I just have somewhat of a natural bent towards personal favouritism in the face of even my own logic.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So really, what's the issue? Is it winning a lot (which Self hasn't done)? Is it just being nominated a lot?</p>

[Nedew]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Phantom Stranger" data-cite="Phantom Stranger" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So really, what's the issue? Is it winning a lot (which Self hasn't done)? Is it just being nominated a lot?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The latter really. It's nothing personal, in fact i love your TCW diary (though wasn't so keen on PPPW, interview bits aside). I just... root for the little guy? I don't know how you'd put it. I acknowledge it's irrational, i just go along with my gut instinct anyway.</p>

[Bigpapa42]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Phantom Stranger" data-cite="Phantom Stranger" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So really, what's the issue? Is it winning a lot (which Self hasn't done)? Is it just being nominated a lot?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think Newdew is just against anyone but Self winning...?</p>

[Self]

It's good to have fans...

[Phantom Stranger]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Nedew" data-cite="Nedew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The latter really. It's nothing personal, in fact i love your TCW diary (though wasn't so keen on PPPW, interview bits aside). I just... root for the little guy? I don't know how you'd put it. I acknowledge it's irrational, i just go along with my gut instinct anyway.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh, I'm not taking it personally, no problem there. I'm asking, I guess, because I genuinely don't see where you're coming from and I'm curious.</p><p> </p><p> I think, though, that we're always going to see a wide nomination field so long as there are a lot of C-Verse diaries out there. (I know that occasionally the Real World noms are down to the two or three biggest names) It comes down to the fact that people want to take part, both by nominating and by voting later - so when the one they want to nominates' been taken, they often move on to the next.</p><p> </p><p> Without changing the people voting, I don't think that'll change, and how can we fairly change (read: limit) the people eligible to vote.</p>

[Nedew]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Phantom Stranger" data-cite="Phantom Stranger" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh, I'm not taking it personally, no problem there. I'm asking, I guess, because I genuinely don't see where you're coming from and I'm curious.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've a very twisted view on it i suppose. Trying to look at it from another angle, i just seem to be anti-for-the-sake-of-anti. I'm like one of those narrow-minded metalheads i spose, despite my best intentions.</p><p> </p><p> Ok, how about an analogy? This is semi-relevant, but i'm in the scale of thinking now. My knowledge of real wrestling (all about the C-Verse now y'see) ends at around 2003/4, so let's take it from there.</p><p> </p><p> I see you and James Casey as some kind of amalgamated Triple H. Maybe Casey even weighs in as Flair, the oldest of the 'old guard'. You've got your fans, but certain dissident quarters (the IWC, ie... well, me in this analogy) are snidely against you for holding the 'roster' down.</p><p> </p><p> BigPapa is Goldberg, coming from seemingly out of nowhere but pushed directly to the top before long.</p><p> </p><p> Self is Chris Jericho/Booker T, popular in another land or with certain quarters (again, the IWC), known for his alternative take on angles/writing from the norm.</p><p> </p><p> Nevermore is Terry Funk, the crazy old bastard who is known for his success in different times, with different styles, with different fans (his NWA work paralleled with the ECW diary, his ECW stuff being MOSC).</p><p> </p><p> Eisen-Verse is Mick Foley, inspired by the prior 'generation' and with different characters/styles at once (his name stems from his SWF lovin' (Dude Love or Mankind?), but he is known for the PSW diary (Cactus Jack, naturally)). I can see FIN fitting into a Mick Foley comparison as well.</p><p> </p><p> And me? I'm Vince Russo... or Jim Cornette. Championing the causes of certain more rational pursuits (Self, Remi, EV) while also phenomenally divisive in my love of others (my fanatical one man fanclub of the above 3 and caustic, sarcastic nature pissing off the likes of Stennick).</p><p> </p><p> Does that answer anything? Or was it self-indulgent filler?</p>

[Marcel Fromage]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Huntman" data-cite="Huntman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Woo XWA 2 votes! <p> </p><p> Next month...NEXT MONTH!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> LOL! I guess I'll have to start actually posting regularly again to stand a chance of that happening! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Phantom Stranger]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Nedew" data-cite="Nedew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="24689" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Does that answer anything? Or was it self-indulgent filler?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Erm...</p><p> </p><p> To be honest, I'm kinda having trouble getting my head around the fact that I'm 'old guard'. PPPW started around this time last year, I think, but it doesn't <em>feel</em> like I've been writing popular diaries for anything like that long.</p>

[Astil]

I don't get the argument. Vote for who had the best story in the month. Easy, right?