Hyde Hill Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I didn't mind the actual stretchering off just of they could have given a shot of a bumb any bumb that might have caused it would have been better. I like Booker ever since his WCW days I am just disappointed in him which makes me pissed at him atm and biased like I am against Miss Taker. But just compare his going out of the match to Scott Steiner and you get my point. And yeah about the tickets its impossible to say for sure if they gave away so many for free etc. You could make the same point about the E and just state they give away most for free but 850 actual sold out of an aproximate 4500 crowd seems highly unlikly. Plus apart from the incident where the E accused and fabricated evidence that WCW gave away tickets (most books on WCW including the Death of WCW claim that they didn't except for Hog Wild and the Bash) I don't know about any free give away's of tickets. They upgrade often to fill the front that I do know for sure. And I am being careful I hope as far as ratings go as some people have been calling this the ppv of the year or last 2 years etc and are going into hyperbole. It was good but not great as I think my review showed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaySo Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 So this is the first time they held a show in California???? Their fanfest did get 700 fans, no children like you get in the WWE (quote their fans). Here is the BFG attendance 2005: 900 2006: 3600 2007: 4000 2008: 5000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I didn't mind the actual stretchering off just of they could have given a shot of a bumb any bumb that might have caused it would have been better. I like Booker ever since his WCW days I am just disappointed in him which makes me pissed at him atm and biased like I am against Miss Taker. But just compare his going out of the match to Scott Steiner and you get my point. And yeah about the tickets its impossible to say for sure if they gave away so many for free etc. You could make the same point about the E and just state they give away most for free but 850 actual sold out of an aproximate 4500 crowd seems highly unlikly. Plus apart from the incident where the E accused and fabricated evidence that WCW gave away tickets (most books on WCW including the Death of WCW claim that they didn't except for Hog Wild and the Bash) I don't know about any free give away's of tickets. They upgrade often to fill the front that I do know for sure. And I am being careful I hope as far as ratings go as some people have been calling this the ppv of the year or last 2 years etc and are going into hyperbole. It was good but not great as I think my review showed. I went to the last Thunder and next to last Nitro (taped same night). They were buy one get one free. And even then I don't think they filled the arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 So this is the first time they held a show in California???? Their fanfest did get 700 fans, no children like you get in the WWE (quote their fans). Here is the BFG attendance 2005: 900 2006: 3600 2007: 4000 2008: 5000 Yeah PWI and I think 411 mania reported as well that there where around 750 at the fanfest. PS buy one, get one free isn't giving away free tickets and this was during their dying days not the period that the E started those rumors etc I was talking about. TNA is far from dying and are ever so slowly rising in size or at least remaining stable in these difficult economic and wrestling industry times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haloed Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I mostly agree with Hyde's opinion on the show. However I'm happy that Red retained the X Title instead of hot potatoing the title around the division and in my opinion that just hurts the title prestige. Ultimate X was my favorite match of BFG for sure. Monster's Ball was cool with some great bumps, i.e. Daphne's, but the failed shoulder up by Abyss really hurt the match overall. It's really hard to say the match was good due to the botch. I want to like it but its hard to. Both Women's matches were alright but I think the Flash/Hamada match from the last Impact(?) was better than both of the BFG ones. Full Metal Mayhem was exactly that, Mayhem. There was a lot to enjoy from the match and I figure Team 3d won the IWPG titles per Japan's request. However from my point of view the match itself was kind of too congested. I think it would of been better with just 3 teams instead of four but than you wouldn't have seen some of the spots we saw. And yes, Scott Steiner, was great in the match, he really surprised me. The Booker bit was more than likely a way to write him out of TNA. Lashley and Joe was good expect the ending which just sucked for lack of a better term. I wish they would get Lashley a manager, he can't talk. Whenever he does... I just can't take him seriously, he's supposed to be this bad @ss and it just doesn't work when he does his own promos. It's that soft laid back voice, just doesn't scream I'm going to kick you butt! He has a great look and a manager would really help the package I think. Like Hyde wrote, that Legend's title match finish was great imo. Great way to really drive Eric Young's heel character home even more. I am surprised that Hernandez didn't win with the way they have been building him up. Angle and Morgan was good as well. Morgan can go that's sure. The crowd there didn't like him though and were completely behind Angle and I for one don't mind the Roll up win. It makes Morgan seem stronger to me. The Main Event was great and my second favorite match of the night easily. Solid ppv but the ten dollar increase in price hurt a bit, but it was quite a bit better than a few of their most recent PPV efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 So this is the first time they held a show in California???? Their fanfest did get 700 fans, no children like you get in the WWE (quote their fans). Here is the BFG attendance 2005: 900 2006: 3600 2007: 4000 2008: 5000 Got a source on those numbers? I'm not doubting you, I'm just genuinely curious now. That "850" number I heard was on a podcast I had on in the background while I was doing the dishes, I wasn't really paying attention. It could have been "Sold 850 on the first day of sale". I meant to watch the PPV, but doings transpired and I was found wanting. The only reviews I've heard are from a very anti-Russo, anti-spotfest crowd, so... Yeah. I like the odd spotfest, so maybe I'd have liked it. Question for TNA fans... Why is Bound for Glory the Wrestlemania of TNA? I mean, Wrestlemania has all of this history and prestige and glitz and glamour and fabulous celebrities and wacky entrances involving a million billion John Cena clones. What makes Bound for Glory more special than every other TNA PPV? Not trying to be anti-TNA, again, just curious. It's been a while since I've checked out impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I didn't mind the actual stretchering off just of they could have given a shot of a bumb any bumb that might have caused it would have been better. I like Booker ever since his WCW days I am just disappointed in him which makes me pissed at him atm and biased like I am against Miss Taker. But just compare his going out of the match to Scott Steiner and you get my point. Perhaps Booker is limited in the amount or severity of 'sick bumps' he's willing or able to take? And yeah about the tickets its impossible to say for sure if they gave away so many for free etc. You could make the same point about the E and just state they give away most for free but 850 actual sold out of an aproximate 4500 crowd seems highly unlikly. Plus apart from the incident where the E accused and fabricated evidence that WCW gave away tickets (most books on WCW including the Death of WCW claim that they didn't except for Hog Wild and the Bash) I don't know about any free give away's of tickets. They upgrade often to fill the front that I do know for sure. Here's a news flash since folks seem to think this is rare: Even WWE gives away tickets. Whenever they run a show at Madison Square Garden, if you stand on the corner of 8th Avenue and 31st Street on the day of the show, there will be two girls and a guy doing just that. Ask a scalper how annoying that is. Does that make WWE 'suck' or indicate the company is 'dying'? No, it does not. No more than using a fluffer indicates a male porn star is impotent. Both Women's matches were alright but I think the Flash/Hamada match from the last Impact(?) was better than both of the BFG ones. It stands to reason, given the workers involved. Yes yes, I know some people think I'm biased toward Melissa but I just see it as giving credit where it's due. It's not like anyone else is going to do it. I equate it to saying "Adrian Peterson is a great running back". Duh? How many people would argue with me on that statement? TNA needs its Knockouts division to be 'okay' to 'good'. If it's 'great', it detracts from the male workers (especially those MEM members who can't work a decent match). Since they're not really in a position where they could spin the Knockouts off onto their own brand, they just need them to fill a particular role. They do that well, sometimes really well. I can almost guarantee that if they give them 15 minutes and let them put together the match themselves, Tara-Kong would blow the doors off anything seen from the Knockouts (or Divas) to date. Easily. But that's not likely to happen so the match is probably gonna suck. Question for TNA fans... Why is Bound for Glory the Wrestlemania of TNA? I mean, Wrestlemania has all of this history and prestige and glitz and glamour and fabulous celebrities and wacky entrances involving a million billion John Cena clones. What makes Bound for Glory more special than every other TNA PPV? Not trying to be anti-TNA, again, just curious. It's been a while since I've checked out impact. You're making a serious mistake here. Why judge one company's top event to another? The two companies operate totally differently (obviously). For a company that's supposed to be about 'wrestling', what use do they have for future 'Where Are They Now?' alums? What do these celebrities add to the show? Why not ask why they don't do a TNA Hall of Fame ceremony the day before? Point is, Bound for Glory as 'the Wrestlemania of TNA' is only useful to those people who have no freakin' clue on what a promotion's top show is. It's NOT Wrestlemania of TNA, it's just their biggest show of the year. While I agree with your query (this PPV wasn't booked as anything particularly ground breaking), I just take issue with the 'Wrestlemania of TNA' tag. Traditionally, when you name your biggest event of the year, that's the event you put your biggest matches and end your biggest programs (while possibly starting the biggest programs for the next year). TNA didn't do that, I don't think. I'm also curious since I seem to have missed it. Where was The Pope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 With BFG being the biggest it simply is because they promote it as the being the biggest, seeing as TNA doesn't have much history they can pretty much decide what will be the biggest. Have the storylines ended at BFG always? Not always but many. Has it gotten the most attention on Impact, hell yes! Do they pull out all the stops merchandise and production wise? Yep (except microphones it seems lol). It is definitly worth the watch Self I can recommend it. It has spotfest with Ultimate X, Mayhem with Full Metal Mayhem, Hardcore with Monsters Ball and some good matches with Angle vs Morgan, AJ vs Sting, Lashley vs Joe and the Women and Legends three ways. The Pope had a family emergency apparently and had to return home on the day of the ppv. They mentioned it during the pre show and the entrances to Ultimate X. Hope his family is doing ok. Yeah but I just hate the false reporting about very low ticket and ppv sales you see on the web just like TNA is broke, WWE buys TNA stuff you see more lately. Is kinda a double edged sword as on one hand people are smearing the company but on the other hand they feel TNA to be important enough to smear at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I was on the fense about bgf.....I am a huge tna fan but lately they were a little iffy. There was no pope vs suicide match *I have been marking like crazy for that feud* and there were alot of gimmick matches which can some times bring down the show. I am going to watch it tonight and hope i did not waste my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Alright. Now that I think about it I've only been hearing the "Wrestlemania of TNA" tag from the one newz site I frequent, which has no credence on anything. I was under the impression it was like an actual thing, but now that I think about it even TNA wouldn't call it that (despite the WWE references they do use). I was thinking perhaps there was a historical reason for BFG to be the 'biggest'. Was it the first big TNA monthly PPV? Was it the first time Jeff Jarrett won the TNA Title? Was the first one really, really, really special? It's all when and good saying "It's the biggest" but the card seemed like the usual fare and the stipulations were par for the course. I guess it's my argument against most TNA PPV's. With the exception of Lockdown and the one with the King of the Mountain match, they feel exactly the same as Impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 wasen't the last bfg longer and cost more? not this years but last years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNAfan123 Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 On Impact this week I think there will be a six sides of steal match and a ultimite X match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haloed Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Alright. Now that I think about it I've only been hearing the "Wrestlemania of TNA" tag from the one newz site I frequent, which has no credence on anything. I was under the impression it was like an actual thing, but now that I think about it even TNA wouldn't call it that (despite the WWE references they do use). I was thinking perhaps there was a historical reason for BFG to be the 'biggest'. Was it the first big TNA monthly PPV? Was it the first time Jeff Jarrett won the TNA Title? Was the first one really, really, really special? It's all when and good saying "It's the biggest" but the card seemed like the usual fare and the stipulations were par for the course. I guess it's my argument against most TNA PPV's. With the exception of Lockdown and the one with the King of the Mountain match, they feel exactly the same as Impact. I believe Bound For Glory was planned to be the first ever TNA Pay Per View but it didn't work out that way if I remember correctly. You make fair points about just saying its the biggest but what has it done to be called that. Perhaps if I did enough research I could come up with some points on historic atleast to TNA for BFG moments. On Impact this week I think there will be a six sides of steal match and a ultimite X match. This is a bad move and a great way to make BFG not seem as special as they want it, to turn around and throw another Ulitmate X match out there and on free tv this time. It makes absolutely no sense. I enjoy TNA for the most part but when they do boneheaded stuff like this it makes it hard to support them and say they are moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaySo Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Got a source on those numbers? I'm not doubting you, I'm just genuinely curious now. That "850" number I heard was on a podcast I had on in the background while I was doing the dishes, I wasn't really paying attention. It could have been "Sold 850 on the first day of sale". Wikipedia. I wish TNA would release the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrockLock Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Alright. Now that I think about it I've only been hearing the "Wrestlemania of TNA" tag from the one newz site I frequent, which has no credence on anything. I was under the impression it was like an actual thing, but now that I think about it even TNA wouldn't call it that (despite the WWE references they do use). I was thinking perhaps there was a historical reason for BFG to be the 'biggest'. Was it the first big TNA monthly PPV? Was it the first time Jeff Jarrett won the TNA Title? Was the first one really, really, really special? It's all when and good saying "It's the biggest" but the card seemed like the usual fare and the stipulations were par for the course. I guess it's my argument against most TNA PPV's. With the exception of Lockdown and the one with the King of the Mountain match, they feel exactly the same as Impact. Like Hyde said, its the biggest becuase they say its the biggest. They promote the hell out of BFG and try to make it into that "larger-then-life" type of show. TNA itself decided that BFG would be their biggest show becuase they wanted to have a big show where they could start or end their biggest storylines. BFG is longer then other PPV's, they put on more matches, now they do it outside of the impact zone and like I said they promote it like crazy. There is no reason its the biggest show besides the fact that TNA felt they needed a biggest show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristram Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Just want to add on Scott Steiner, I'm not surprised he ripped up in a tag team match. I know everyone knows of him as 'Big Poppa Pump', but I swear, the Steiner Brothers were hella good. Obviously age, politics and arrogance took control of him from there, but the dude was.. awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I believe Bound For Glory was planned to be the first ever TNA Pay Per View but it didn't work out that way if I remember correctly. You make fair points about just saying its the biggest but what has it done to be called that. Perhaps if I did enough research I could come up with some points on historic atleast to TNA for BFG moments. I'll save you the research. BFG IV: Sting wins the title in Chicago. BFG III: Sting wins the title in Georgia. Gail Kim wins a gauntlet match to become the first Knockouts champion BFG II: Sting wins the title in Michigan. BFG I: Rhino wins the title in front of 900 people in the impact zone by winning 3 matches in the same night. Rhino would drop the title back to Jarrett two days later. Rhino would never win the title again. Pretty historic, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Just want to add on Scott Steiner, I'm not surprised he ripped up in a tag team match. I know everyone knows of him as 'Big Poppa Pump', but I swear, the Steiner Brothers were hella good. Obviously age, politics and arrogance took control of him from there, but the dude was.. awesome. Indeed, The Steiner Brothers had some awesome matches back in the days. Every now and then, I youtube a match they had with Sting and The Great Muta back in the early nineties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yeah when I saw Scott going on a tear I was actually hoping for a Steiner Driver that move is just sick. Although the tag team complexion in Sunday's match was kinda out of the door. Scott still has it even if it is only for short bursts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haloed Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I'll save you the research. BFG IV: Sting wins the title in Chicago. BFG III: Sting wins the title in Georgia. Gail Kim wins a gauntlet match to become the first Knockouts champion BFG II: Sting wins the title in Michigan. BFG I: Rhino wins the title in front of 900 people in the impact zone by winning 3 matches in the same night. Rhino would drop the title back to Jarrett two days later. Rhino would never win the title again. Pretty historic, no? Well, it certainly depends on how you look at it. Those events, like Sting winning the previous three years before this one are important to TNA, since Sting is a legit Legend in the wrestling world. So one could argue that those wins are historic FOR TNA. Maybe not for the average WWE fan but for the huge TNA fan, yes those are important to them. The Knockout Title being won at BFG for the first time is important to TNA as well. Afterall the division is a large part of TNA now and provides some really good women's matches. So for TNA I think those moments are historic and important to the promotion and BFG, maybe they aren't to you, but to the fans of the promotion they were big moments and of course Sting fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Plus Monster's Ball is semi BFG exclusive for you hardcore fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Well, it certainly depends on how you look at it. Those events, like Sting winning the previous three years before this one are important to TNA, since Sting is a legit Legend in the wrestling world. So one could argue that those wins are historic FOR TNA. Maybe not for the average WWE fan but for the huge TNA fan, yes those are important to them. The Knockout Title being won at BFG for the first time is important to TNA as well. Afterall the division is a large part of TNA now and provides some really good women's matches. So for TNA I think those moments are historic and important to the promotion and BFG, maybe they aren't to you, but to the fans of the promotion they were big moments and of course Sting fans. I don't think you got the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haloed Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I don't think you got the joke. Sorry, no. I guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Sorry, no. I guess not. BFG has given us such historic moments as: Sting winning the title. Sting winning the title. and... Sting winning the title. Starting to notice a trend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaySo Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 2005 - Rhino wins the title at BFG. Two days later, loses it. 2006 - Sting wins the title at BFG. Held it for less than a month (28 days) 2007 - Sting wins the title at BFG. Two days later, loses it. 2008 - Sting wins the title at BFG. And finally, he gets a lenghty title reign...twice the length when he won the title in 1997 from Hogan. Pretty good for the 45+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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