TEW2010 Developer's Journal Discussion

[djthefunkchris]

<p>This is one of those feature's I wasn't expecting. I could take them or leave them, but..... I know that it's really going to spice up the webpage on the game. </p><p> </p><p>

The fact that the AI will do this on their own is very "kool".</p>

[1234]

I think this new feature will be fun...as i normally play as smaller promotions i will just mess around by sending my workers to there shows randomly...although i will die if they retaliate <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Phil Parent]

<p>I like this feature a lot! Adds a dimension of to your role as a promoter.</p><p> </p><p>

And makes wars more than about talent steals and ratings. Even if the talent steal part should be deeper I feel. Some guys WILL break their contract or get an early release to jump ship. See the Radicalz for exemple.</p>

[justtxyank]

<p>This is one of those features that seems to address a common complaint. I know I, and many others, have said that at times it's easy to go from enjoying the game to realizing "hey, I'm just pointing and clicking in a lifeless simulation." This is one of those things that helps you feel like a world is unfolding for you as opposed to the reality of the simulation. </p><p> </p><p>

Great addition. Hope there are many more like this. Some may feel it's just fluff, but TEW 08 was great and just needed fluff like this to enhance the gameplay experience. All too often in 08 I felt like it didn't really matter if other promotions existed beyond giving wrestlers places to work. Wars did nothing but make negotiations harder with workers I wanted, ratings battles were just a "user task" to overcome, etc. Things like this new addition will hopefully make you feel like you are really in a promotion war.</p><p> </p><p>

Kudos to the best "user friendly" developer in the world.</p>

[cappyboy]

Not the biggest woo hoo in the world for me. But I know there's much dancing in the streets over the return of this feature. And I can't deny it's one I'd be using in my current game. I set up a working relationship with APW and then came to realize a year and a half later that being a training fed for the most basic of talent I'd never be able to get even one of their jobbers without giving up a upper-mid or even a main eventer in the trade in return. So I break off the working relationship and McMinister gets so ticked off he declares war. I would love to be able to disparage that short-sighted idiot for taking a pragmatic decision personally. Enjoy the reprieve while you can, Jimbo. Pull that junk on me in 2010 and, as they say in the vernacular, it's on like Donkey Kong.

[The Mystery]

<p>Yeah now Tony Schiavone can win the war for WCW ftw!!!</p><p> </p><p>

Really though these dirty tricks adds more dimension to the war part of the promotion pacts.</p>

[tjb000]

<p>Dirty Tricks:</p><p> </p><p>

I wasn't exactly sure what to think about this one at first. But I think I really like it now. I could totally see myself getting payback if some promoter used dirty tricks on me. I kind of see myself as a legit promoter, but I may stoop down to their level and fire back at them. This definitely has a lot of possibilities.</p><p> </p><p>

<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[praguepride]

<p>It was brought up that "dirty tactics" are "too gimmicky" for wrestling...</p><p> </p><p>

<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> do you...do you WATCH wrestling?</p><p> </p><p>

I remember during the Attitude era how WCW and WWF would ALWAYS be taking shots at each other, and sometimes they did backfire like that guy who made fun of JR's palsy.</p><p> </p><p>

My guess is that they range in impact. So doing things like distributing WCW/TCW SUCKS signs or having announcers take shots at them during your shows would have a lower impact and lower risk associated to them, and hence would be more commonly used.</p><p> </p><p>

The extreme stuff like hiring people to disrupt crowds or lying to sponsors would be far more extreme and would probably come with an appropriately heavier penalty. </p><p> </p><p>

It's not that outrageous to tell The Family Friendly Company that their sponsorship money is being used to buy hookers in order to hurt the competition, but that kind of slander would carry hefty penalties if it turns out to be false and they can link it back to you.</p><p> </p><p>

The issue with sponsors is that wrestling has always had a bit of a stimga associated to it, and so while some companies don't care (see Ted Turner) others are very sensitive and look for any excuse to drop out of a sponsorship deal. </p><p> </p><p>

I think it's a brilliant addition and completely appropriate, especially given all the poo that was flung around during the Monday Night Wars.</p>

[praguepride]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not the biggest woo hoo in the world for me. But I know there's much dancing in the streets over the return of this feature. And I can't deny it's one I'd be using in my current game. I set up a working relationship with APW and then came to realize a year and a half later that being a training fed for the most basic of talent I'd never be able to get even one of their jobbers without giving up a upper-mid or even a main eventer in the trade in return. So I break off the working relationship and McMinister gets so ticked off he declares war. I would love to be able to disparage that short-sighted idiot for taking a pragmatic decision personally. Enjoy the reprieve while you can, Jimbo. Pull that junk on me in 2010 and, as they say in the vernacular, it's on like Donkey Kong.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm hoping and praying that you'll be able to "amicablly" part ways. Although you could've just let the relationship go. There's no real downside to having a working agreement with someone if you have no desire to raid their roster.</p>

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="praguepride" data-cite="praguepride" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm hoping and praying that you'll be able to "amicablly" part ways. Although you could've just let the relationship go. There's no real downside to having a working agreement with someone if you have no desire to raid their roster.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Which in the real world I would probably do, I'm not a bad guy at heart. But come on, this being a game and McMinister not really existing, I see no harm in being a little evil for the sake of a game. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[LoganRodzen]

I LOVE THIS FEATURE! It really adds a whole new dimension to the game. I'm glad to see the "war" relationship taken to the next level with these "Dirty Tricks". Not sure how much I'll use it as a local-based promotion (most likely NONE) but as a regional / cult promotion I will use this A LOT! It's going to be a lot of fun sending workers to the Rip Chord Invitational to cause a scene when I'm a small promotion trying to break out. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[lovestruck420]

Dirty tactics is one of those things thaty I have missed dearly for years. I am so excited to see its coming back and I can have that attitude feel again.

 

I know this is only day 8 of the developers journal but I can assure you, this time around I'm a day 1 buyer!!!

[LoganRodzen]

I know this is only day 8 of the developers journal but I can assure you, this time around I'm a day 1 buyer!!!

 

I would pre-order Adam's games if it was a possibility. Considering e-licenses never run out and it's a direct download when it's released a pre-order isn't necessary. Doesn't stop me from thinking I would still do it though!

[praguepride]

I know this is only day 8 of the developers journal but I can assure you, this time around I'm a day 1 buyer!!!

 

you mean you weren't before? Adam's games aren't like fine wine, they don't get better with age

 

ya gotta get it d1 and help crash GDS's servers

[LoganRodzen]

ya gotta get it d1 and help crash GDS's servers

 

That may be one of my favorite things come release days. I've never had trouble getting my DL first try, but I love seeing all the alternative links for the install because it's so damn popular. I'm sure it's a hassle for GDS... but in a way it must make them happy too.

[lovestruck420]

I did buy 07 on day1 but that left a bad taste in my mouth due to the vista issues.

 

So I waited about a month or two before buying 08.

 

But this yr I'll be getting it on day1......

[Eisen-verse]

I'm liking the idea of "Dirty Tricks". It gives the whole "War Scenario" more interesting as you have MORE to do than just pretend like you don't like someone. As a diary guy, as well, this will be really interesting to see who uses these and how they may write up their reasoning.

 

Needless to say, Great new feature. I'm a big fan of it.

[Waghlon]

I love the concept of dirty tricks. It could really be a good thing if you want to conquer the world by terrorizing all indy companies out of existance (however unlikely that is).

[thedraem41]

<p>I like dirty tricks coming back..and was wondering if you had the ability to choose which of your workers made comments about the other promotion, who in the other promotion would be mocked in fan signs, and what not.</p><p> </p><p>

Or do the results pop up instantly in them being effective or not immediately?</p>

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gigas" data-cite="Gigas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>if the AI can use dirty tricks, I hope this option can be turned off. I dunno, seems gimmicky and some of the options seem unrealistic. Like ruining another feds relationship with their sponsers and what not. I can see trashing other feds on your show or showing up at their show with signs but I wonder just how much damage that really does.<p> </p><p> I remember TNA doing it to WWE and it didnt even matter.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Do you also remember WWF doing it to WCW, with Degeneration X (version 1)? Do you remember the gaffe heard round the world (when Bischoff told WCW's audience Mick Foley was winning the WWF world title)? Do you remember the 'Billionaire Ted', 'Gillberg', 'Nacho Man', and "Hulk Hogan" skits? Do you remember Jericho taking shots at his old employers when he debuted? Do you remember the Radicalz doing it as well?</p><p> </p><p> This feature gives wars a purpose, flavor they didn't have before. In 08, what does war really mean? Not much of anything. Oh, workers have to be exclusive to one or the other. Yay?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="James Casey" data-cite="James Casey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fantastic addition. I'm looking forward to potential penalties from backfiring:<p> </p><p> Your owner criticises you for concentrating on the enemy too much.</p><p> Negative web stories about you</p><p> Sponsors clubbing together to punish you for tricking them</p><p> Unsettled roster members who dislike your way of doing business</p><p> </p><p> Just a really cool feature</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Now James Casey, how long have you been here? Do you really think Adam would add a feature like this without a possible downside or balancing measure? <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not the biggest woo hoo in the world for me. But I know there's much dancing in the streets over the return of this feature. And I can't deny it's one I'd be using in my current game. I set up a working relationship with APW and then came to realize a year and a half later that being a training fed for the most basic of talent I'd never be able to get even one of their jobbers without giving up a upper-mid or even a main eventer in the trade in return. So I break off the working relationship and McMinister gets so ticked off he declares war. I would love to be able to disparage that short-sighted idiot for taking a pragmatic decision personally. Enjoy the reprieve while you can, Jimbo. Pull that junk on me in 2010 and, as they say in the vernacular, it's on like Donkey Kong.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Exactly! If I declare war on AAA and don't want any of their workers, in 08 I have no alternatives available to me. In TEW10, I'm gonna make Anne Stardust's pockets bleed. You wait til Cat Quine's written expires. Dirty tricks combined with ripping her roster apart (taking Tracy Brendon and Katherine Goodlooks and Debbie Rose deprives them of their three most experienced tag teams. Taking Sara Marie deprives them of their future world champion. All while taking various shots at them in various forms).</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="praguepride" data-cite="praguepride" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My guess is that they range in impact. So doing things like distributing WCW/TCW SUCKS signs or having announcers take shots at them during your shows would have a lower impact and lower risk associated to them, and hence would be more commonly used.<p> </p><p> The extreme stuff like hiring people to disrupt crowds or lying to sponsors would be far more extreme and would probably come with an appropriately heavier penalty. </p><p> </p><p> It's not that outrageous to tell The Family Friendly Company that their sponsorship money is being used to buy hookers in order to hurt the competition, but that kind of slander would carry hefty penalties if it turns out to be false and they can link it back to you.</p><p> </p><p> The issue with sponsors is that wrestling has always had a bit of a stimga associated to it, and so while some companies don't care (see Ted Turner) others are very sensitive and look for any excuse to drop out of a sponsorship deal. </p><p> </p><p> I think it's a brilliant addition and completely appropriate, especially given all the poo that was flung around during the Monday Night Wars.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How 'bout if a news outlet gets word that several members of your family friendly opponent's roster are actively using steroids? Would that not lead to quite the hubbub? Would some sponsors not want to be involved with that kind of promotion? Let's watch!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That may be one of my favorite things come release days. I've never had trouble getting my DL first try, but I love seeing all the alternative links for the install because it's so damn popular. I'm sure it's a hassle for GDS... but in a way it must make them happy too.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I sure hope Arlie doesn't get mad at us. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I can imagine some of GDS's IT staff are cringing. "Adam's coming out with a new TEW? CRAP!" <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I believe Comradebot will love the dirty tricks feature. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Do you remember the 'Billionaire Ted', 'Gillberg', 'Nacho Man', and "Hulk Hogan" skits? <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh I sure do. Which gives me an idea.</p><p> </p><p> "Dude, I know you've been Extreme Deluxe your whole career. But if you're ever going to get anywhere you need a name that doesn't sound like a sandwich from McDonald's. Starting next show we're going to be promoting you as Jimmy McPastor."</p>

[FINisher]

I've always had a parody gimmick of Rich Money in my mind.. "<em>Poor Nickel"</em>

[mike b]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Which in the real world I would probably do, I'm not a bad guy at heart. But come on, this being a game and McMinister not really existing, I see no harm in being a little evil for the sake of a game. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Remind me sir never to play a online game with you:p</p>

[Gigas]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Do you also remember WWF doing it to WCW, with Degeneration X (version 1)? Do you remember the gaffe heard round the world (when Bischoff told WCW's audience Mick Foley was winning the WWF world title)? Do you remember the 'Billionaire Ted', 'Gillberg', 'Nacho Man', and "Hulk Hogan" skits? Do you remember Jericho taking shots at his old employers when he debuted? Do you remember the Radicalz doing it as well?<p> </p><p> This feature gives wars a purpose, flavor they didn't have before. In 08, what does war really mean? Not much of anything. Oh, workers have to be exclusive to one or the other. Yay?</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes, but I never remember a fed losing their sponser because another company spread rumors about them. Probably because thats libel and a felony offense.</p><p> </p><p> I just hope we have the ability to turn it off because a few of those dirty tactics dont seem real at all. You just mentioned a bunch of storylines that fit into what I was describing as realistic but not really having a huge impact. If you want to trash TNA on Monday Night Raw, go ahead. If you want to say TNAs owner is a child molestor (ROH was it??) and hes not to their Nike Sponser, and it gets back to you.. you are going to have a libel case on your hands. That part just isnt realistic to me and for the life of me I cant think of one instance where that actually happened.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> A few of them are very realistic, but a few of them are not.</p>

[Gigas]

To be more specific, I only have a problem with 2 of them. Sponser snipe and plant story. If anyone has 2 real life scenerios of those 2 taking place, maybe I wouldnt have such an issue with it. But I'd still want the ability to turn them off.