TEW2010 Developer's Journal Discussion

[crayon]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Donners" data-cite="Donners" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Glad to see there is a bit more flexibility in the contract system, but I was really hoping for something that would implement TNA's contract system, where workers are tied to the company, but can work for promotions approved by TNA (ie not WWE or, for a time, RoH).</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Should still be at least either one or two or fifty or a thousand more journal entries before it's released, so keep those fingers crossed and it may still happen <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[praguepride]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crayon" data-cite="crayon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>One of the two big contract changes/additions i was hoping for, so whoo-hoo <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I also second that its great how it comes into play with dirty tricks.<p> </p><p> so if the worker in question has no relationships within your promotion, what do you guys think will happen? default yes, default no, or random?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, they have to pass the three checks, so in that case my guess is it'd be a RNG for the hidden destiny stuff.</p><p> </p><p> Cool feature, definitely. Now you can actually play DaVE (if you're good enough) and get the signings that they had.</p>

[FlameSnoopy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="FINisher" data-cite="FINisher" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Loving the sneaky written addition as it makes money actually matter and the user stats come into play aswell. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> One of the better journal entries thus far.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Exactly.</p>

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="FINisher" data-cite="FINisher" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Loving the sneaky written addition as it makes money actually matter and the user stats come into play aswell. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> One of the better journal entries thus far.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There were people who felt the user characteristics were 'fluff' when that feature was announced. Then again, there were people who believed the earth was flat so I guess it stands to reason.</p><p> </p><p> By the time the game's set for release, some folks are going to see how key and vital to gameplay those user characteristics are. They all have a place in '10, even if that place isn't immediately 'omg obvious'.</p>

[Moe Hunter]

<p>"Sneaky Written Contracts" is a BRILLIANT addition. So well planned out and implemented. I can't wait to see it in action.</p><p> </p><p>

Earlier today I was thinking "should me and Whitey re-set our gameworld for 2010, going back to start out as Cult, or do we continue from our Global positions?" as our 2007 game (we're slack, we know) is in December 09 and it might make sense to translate it over.</p><p> </p><p>

Seeing this fantastic new addition of strategy for Cult promotions being potentially able to steal away workers to exclusivity at that level... Wow. I wonder if maybe if you pass the three checks by enough of a margin, will we be able to sign away some stars that might normally be "too big" for a Cult promotion?</p>

[justtxyank]

<p>It's great that we can sign written contracts as cult promotions now. But what I'm wondering is whether there will be any sort of tests the promotion will have to pass in order to pull it off? It will be silly if just any cult promotion with no money, a terrible lockerroom and no momentum could sign a guy.</p><p> </p><p>

<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Just in case the sarcasm wasn't dripping enough, I wasn't being serious Adam. </span></p>

[praguepride]

<p>Cue derek_b's catch phrase:</p><p> </p><p>

"Doesn't anyone ready the Dev blog?"</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

That's our Derek! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Phantom Stranger]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="praguepride" data-cite="praguepride" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cue derek_b's catch phrase:<p> </p><p> "Doesn't anyone ready the Dev blog?"</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> That's our Derek! <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Read his white text, and recall that he's the one talking about reading it all yesterday.</p>

[praguepride]

<p>*facepalm*</p><p> </p><p>

that's why I made it all sitcom-y. I was adding more sarcasm to the sarcasm pile. I'll admit he almost got me. I had a flame post written and ready to go before I realized there was more to the post.</p><p> </p><p>

Way to no-sell my joke, Phantom <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Phantom Stranger]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="praguepride" data-cite="praguepride" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>*facepalm*<p> </p><p> that's why I made it all sitcom-y. I was adding more sarcasm to the sarcasm pile. I'll admit he almost got me. I had a flame post written and ready to go before I realized there was more to the post.</p><p> </p><p> Way to no-sell my joke, Phantom <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I may've missed your own white text. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> More seriously, I missed that you'd spotted it.</p><p> </p><p> Ah, well, shows the risks of this one, eh?</p>

[justtxyank]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Phantom Stranger" data-cite="Phantom Stranger" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I may've missed your own white text. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> More seriously, I missed that you'd spotted it.<p> </p><p> Ah, well, shows the risks of this one, eh?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Even if you miss the white text, I think the fact that I specifically mention all three of the criteria from Adam's blog should be a clue. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Ping von Erich]

<p>The way we feel reading each one of Adam's updates must be the way all of Beethoven's fans felt on <em>his </em>internet message board when he was writing his fifth symphony. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

What?</p>

[SWIFT]

<p>With these great and game changing features coming out does anyone else get that feeling that's like a...feature draft? With roughly a hundred major features and a number of minor ones that it's like "Maybe what I suggested might get drafted to TEW2010."</p><p> </p><p>

Oh and "Sneaking Written Deals" and "Predator Signing" are my favorites so far. SWD will really help with Japanese promotions especially. You can really see the game world coming to life with each new feature. Not that the game world was dead in TEW 2008, just not as active and lively as it's going to be.</p><p> </p><p>

C-Verse is gonna be saucy with these features, I tell you what.</p>

[SasoreGatame]

<p>re: Today's feature w/cult feds offering written deals.</p><p> </p><p>

The $7,000,000 thing is a bit ridiculous and will totally rape people trying to prevent feds like ROH from being raided. I mean, it's a safe bet that none of the indy promotions today have that kind of financial stability, with PWG possibly being the lone exception. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the feature sounded great until that.</p>

[Gigas]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SasoreGatame" data-cite="SasoreGatame" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>re: Today's feature w/cult feds offering written deals.<p> </p><p> The $7,000,000 thing is a bit ridiculous and will totally rape people trying to prevent feds like ROH from being raided. I mean, it's a safe bet that none of the indy promotions today have that kind of financial stability, with PWG possibly being the lone exception. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the feature sounded great until that.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> and ROH is a cult sized fed? Indy feds are cult sized?</p>

[Bigpapa42]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SasoreGatame" data-cite="SasoreGatame" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>re: Today's feature w/cult feds offering written deals.<p> </p><p> The $7,000,000 thing is a bit ridiculous and will totally rape people trying to prevent feds like ROH from being raided. I mean, it's a safe bet that none of the indy promotions today have that kind of financial stability, with PWG possibly being the lone exception. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the feature sounded great until that.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Actually, that's one of the aspects I like most. I know a lot of people wanted ways for cult promotions to be able to land workers on signed deals, but there has to be some limitations to that, to prevent it from being an easy cheat. And these three criteria seem like a great way to do that. The money aspect means that not every cult promotion will be able to land those written deals, even if the other criteria are in place. And I think it is realistic - why would a worker tie themselves down to a promotion that doesn't have the financial stability to be able to honor that deal? </p><p> </p><p> Does it mean this feature benefits the "larger" cult promotions than the "smaller" ones? I think so. Its doubtful that most promotions who are just barely cult would have the finances to make it work, where as ones who have been at cult for a long time or just dropped down from national are more likely to.</p><p> </p><p> Is this realistic? I think so. Has ROH been able to effectively prevent having its workers stolen so far? Not really. Consider what it would have taken for ROH to tie Bryan Danielson to an exclusive, guaranteed contact, considering how much money he could make by being able to work for multiple promotion. </p><p> </p><p> If promotion relationships are not massively changed, it might still be possible to get agreements with the bigger promotions to keep them from raiding your roster.</p>

[Jennie Bomb]

This is a pretty sweet new feature. I think $7m might be a bit high (I think $3-5m would have been a bit better), but I'll save judgment until I've played it.

[Derek B]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually, that's one of the aspects I like most. I know a lot of people wanted ways for cult promotions to be able to land workers on signed deals, but there has to be some limitations to that, to prevent it from being an easy cheat. And these three criteria seem like a great way to do that. The money aspect means that not every cult promotion will be able to land those written deals, even if the other criteria are in place. And I think it is realistic - why would a worker tie themselves down to a promotion that doesn't have the financial stability to be able to honor that deal? <p> </p><p> Does it mean this feature benefits the "larger" cult promotions than the "smaller" ones? I think so. Its doubtful that most promotions who are just barely cult would have the finances to make it work, where as ones who have been at cult for a long time or just dropped down from national are more likely to.</p><p> </p><p> Is this realistic? I think so. Has ROH been able to effectively prevent having its workers stolen so far? Not really. Consider what it would have taken for ROH to tie Bryan Danielson to an exclusive, guaranteed contact, considering how much money he could make by being able to work for multiple promotion. </p><p> </p><p> If promotion relationships are not massively changed, it might still be possible to get agreements with the bigger promotions to keep them from raiding your roster.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This post pretty much nails everything on the head so if anyone has any questions then look no further than this. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></p>

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SasoreGatame" data-cite="SasoreGatame" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>re: Today's feature w/cult feds offering written deals.<p> </p><p> The $7,000,000 thing is a bit ridiculous and will totally rape people trying to prevent feds like ROH from being raided. I mean, it's a safe bet that none of the indy promotions today have that kind of financial stability, with PWG possibly being the lone exception. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but the feature sounded great until that.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Name three ROH workers who are signed to written deals right now. G'head, I'll wait. *cue Jeopardy theme*</p><p> </p><p> The feature isn't intended to make it commonplace or easy for cult level promotions to lock up workers. If that were the case, what would be the major benefit for hitting National again? If you want to 'prevent feds like ROH from being raided', set their workers' contracts at the DB level before the start of the game. Besides the fact that doing so wouldn't be the least bit realistic, it's not surprising at all. Many folks seem to only like 'realism' when it suits their desires. But don't expect this feature to do it for you. Promotions who are financial stable and viable, hot, and who have positive backstage scenes, will find workers more willing to restrict themselves to only working for them. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jennie Bomb" data-cite="Jennie Bomb" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is a pretty sweet new feature. I think $7m might be a bit high (I think $3-5m would have been a bit better), but I'll save judgment until I've played it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Safe course of action. $7m isn't as much as folks seem to think it is. If you've been running your promotion responsibly at Regional, you'll get to Cult with a war chest that might be around half that amount (or more). So the cult level shock wouldn't faze you at all. From there, it would only require a handful of changes to streamline for the increased costs of Cult. By the time you see National on the horizon, you'll be able to get your core workers locked up exclusively. A lot of things have to fall in your favor but that's to be expected.</p><p> </p><p> National is supposed to be a big deal. This feature preserves that while also giving the exceptional a reward for being just that. No worker is going to cast their lot with you when you're living hand to mouth, three missed gates from homelessn....errr, bankruptcy. It's basically something to shoot for, not a substitute for National level.</p>

[Wallbanger]

I like this as a way to better prepare one for the cult-to-national transition. First thing I thought when I saw this is, "now NOTBPW has a way to hang on to Jeremy and Dan Jr. and even possibly get Duane back". I always felt it became much too common in 08 for them to leave at the end of their contracts, an overcorrection of NOTBPW being 'easy mode' in 07.

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wallbanger" data-cite="Wallbanger" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I like this as a way to better prepare one for the cult-to-national transition. First thing I thought when I saw this is, "now NOTBPW has a way to hang on to Jeremy and Dan Jr. and even possibly get Duane back". I always felt it became much too common in 08 for them to leave at the end of their contracts, an overcorrection of NOTBPW being 'easy mode' in 07.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wallbanger is wise.</p><p> </p><p> Now I won't have to set Jeremy, Junior, and Sean's contracts to maximum (6 year?) lengths before starting a game. It always bothered me when Sean would bail since it's really hard for me to imagine that occurring "in reality". Wife is the booker, Lucy's in kindergarten or first grade, I just can't see Sean being away from the fam for long periods of time (like Japanese tours and TCW or SWF's schedule).</p>

[Historian]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Name three ROH workers who are signed to written deals right now. G'head, I'll wait. *cue Jeopardy theme*</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While off the top of my head, I can only think of one that I know for sure has a written deal: Austin Aries, I know for a fact that ROH has written contracts, just not the same style of written deal as WWE. ROH's written contracts are not exclusive deals, they are deals that guarantee them the first crack at the individuals who have them. Meaning, if PWG wanted to book Austin Aries, he would have to make his ROH dates first. Also, it affects their ability to get signed by both WWE and TNA. I don't remember how it works for sure, but there are provisions to keep their written talent from signing with WWE, that's why both Nigel and Danielson did not re-sign their ROH written contracts and were just working your standard pay per appearance deals.</p><p> </p><p> The 7 million in the bank is a good thing, in my opinion. It means you actually have to manage your money effectively to sign written deals, because it SHOULD be really hard for a Cult level promotion to sign talent to written deals, because if they sign a written deal with you they are putting off going to a bigger fed, as well as limiting themselves to just your company, no Japan dates, no Mexico dates, just you. Which limits their ability for global exposure at the time, as well as their ability to make money.</p><p> </p><p> Also, this seems to be a provision that will help SWF and TCW keep talent when/if they drop to Cult. In most of the games I've played, one of them ends up dropping, and then as contracts start expiring their talent can be poached. This provision at least gives them the opportunity to resign some of their big talent to exclusive written deals.</p><p> </p><p> Those are my two cents.</p>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Historian" data-cite="Historian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also, this seems to be a provision that will help SWF and TCW keep talent when/if they drop to Cult. In most of the games I've played, one of them ends up dropping, and then as contracts start expiring their talent can be poached. This provision at least gives them the opportunity to resign some of their big talent to exclusive written deals.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I doubt it, since unless momentum works significantly differently than the old system, a drop to cult causes a pretty serious hit, and it only gets worse for a promotion like SWF that sees their TV deals start to evaporate. "What's that? We're not a national promotion any more? We're not on TV? Where do I sign?!"</p>

[The Masked Orange]

<p>Like the new feature. It will penalise NYCW for being stuck in a 30-year rut.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">ECHO... Echo... echo...</span></p>

[Historian]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I doubt it, since unless momentum works significantly differently than the old system, a drop to cult causes a pretty serious hit, and it only gets worse for a promotion like SWF that sees their TV deals start to evaporate. "What's that? We're not a national promotion any more? We're not on TV? Where do I sign?!"</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I did not say it would be easy, just that I think this provision is there. As, normally when you drop to Cult, you don't lose your written guys immediately, they have a while to go before their contract runs out. In that time, you can get back your momentum and be going strong, or at least better than you were when you dropped, and make a play at some of your guys.</p><p> </p><p> Do I think the majority of the roster will stay? No.</p><p> </p><p> I just think part of this feature is to address the drop to Cult, and them losing most of their roster before they can climb back up to National. Most of the roster won't take a written deal, but they might be able to get one or two or three. For instance...</p><p> </p><p> If TCW dropped to Cult from National, and four months later they are doing well, they have a lot of momentum, and perhaps are even on the cusp of re-entering the National scene, Wolf Hawkins' contract comes up. Now, in previous games because they are at Cult, they could only get him to a PPA deal... But now, with this provision, they might be able to resign him to his written deal.</p>