SeanMcFly Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Ah, but Fedor has yet to step into the BROCKTAGON~! OWNED !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tag01 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 I don't just want to see fights with Cain, Brock and Carwin because they're in the UFC. They're dominant wrestlers and with scary athletic ability. I'm not even saying Fedor wouldn't beat all three of them, he very well could. But I'd like to see it happen. No I don't want the UFC title picture to shake out and then Fedor only fight one of them before going back to new years eve freak show matches. I want to see Fedor fight the best, and none of you were able to give me one fight other than Overeem that was even mildly interesting outside of the UFC. Barnett? He may not even be able to get a license in the US. Werdum? Not interested to see him grind on that UFC washout. We all win with Fedor in the UFC. The only people that don't want to see that are the ones who are afraid he'll lose while he's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 I don't just want to see fights with Cain, Brock and Carwin because they're in the UFC. They're dominant wrestlers and with scary athletic ability. I'm not even saying Fedor wouldn't beat all three of them, he very well could. But I'd like to see it happen. No I don't want the UFC title picture to shake out and then Fedor only fight one of them before going back to new years eve freak show matches. I want to see Fedor fight the best, and none of you were able to give me one fight other than Overeem that was even mildly interesting outside of the UFC. Barnett? He may not even be able to get a license in the US. Werdum? Not interested to see him grind on that UFC washout. We all win with Fedor in the UFC. The only people that don't want to see that are the ones who are afraid he'll lose while he's there. I'd love to see Fedor in the UFC. I just don't feel that Fedor has to go there to "prove" something. I still feel that if those fighters want to prove themselves against the best, they should be wanting to chase him. Its not as if Fedor has never faced very good wrestlers with athleticism before. I just find it interesting that you dismiss Rogers as a "rookie" who you find it uninteresting to see Fedor fight, yet yearn for him to fight two other rookies with similar (or less) experience and similar quality of wins thus far. Does the fact that they are athletic wrestlers really change the fact that they are pretty much rookies too? The interesting thing is that Lesnar is even less experienced in MMA than any of them, though he obviously has more quality wins than Carwin or Velasquez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorBait19 Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 I'd love to see Fedor in the UFC. I just don't feel that Fedor has to go there to "prove" something. I still feel that if those fighters want to prove themselves against the best, they should be wanting to chase him. Its not as if Fedor has never faced very good wrestlers with athleticism before. I just find it interesting that you dismiss Rogers as a "rookie" who you find it uninteresting to see Fedor fight, yet yearn for him to fight two other rookies with similar (or less) experience and similar quality of wins thus far. Does the fact that they are athletic wrestlers really change the fact that they are pretty much rookies too? The interesting thing is that Lesnar is even less experienced in MMA than any of them, though he obviously has more quality wins than Carwin or Velasquez. I agree, I believe Brock wants to prove himself, everyone he has beaten so far he has dominated Sylvia (overweight, a good fighter but sometimes lacks motivation) Couture (old and past his prime) Mir (dominate both fights pretty much, but others have dominated against Mir to) Hearring (Skilled but to me not top shelf skills) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RennikKain076 Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 I don't just want to see fights with Cain, Brock and Carwin because they're in the UFC. They're dominant wrestlers and with scary athletic ability. I'm not even saying Fedor wouldn't beat all three of them, he very well could. But I'd like to see it happen. No I don't want the UFC title picture to shake out and then Fedor only fight one of them before going back to new years eve freak show matches. I want to see Fedor fight the best, and none of you were able to give me one fight other than Overeem that was even mildly interesting outside of the UFC. Barnett? He may not even be able to get a license in the US. Werdum? Not interested to see him grind on that UFC washout. We all win with Fedor in the UFC. The only people that don't want to see that are the ones who are afraid he'll lose while he's there. I'd like to see him fight them all as well im just saying that if say Lesnar holds his title through 2010 and they fight in 2011 it'll be a bigger fight than it would be now. You might as well accept that veiw point as well because Fedor is locked down with Strikeforce for two more fights and considering he has a broken hand and nose that'll go through 2010. I agree that Brock and Carwin both have a better shot at beating Fedor than Rogers or probably even Overeem but beyond them I dont think anyone else in the UFC has any better shot. Maybe Cain but I still think if he develops for a couple more years his chances are much more interesting. Honestly I think Fedor will retire within the next two years. I think at this point he's mainly fighting to promote the M-1 brand so that it will be a good profit source after his career is done. And no co-promotion means no contract so I really dont think you'll ever see Fedor in the UFC. Maybe some top UFC hw's will chase Fedor to Strikeforce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 <p>For the people that keep mentioning Fedor's broken nose his camp said its not broken but he did suffer a hand injury.</p><p> </p><p> I thought it was a great main card overall. The bouts were competitive and showed the various aspects of MMA to everyone. The Shields fight was a bit boring but he did what he had to and it was a great display of wrestling, perhaps if Miller could have stuffed some of the takedowns Shields wouldn't have been able to lay on him the whole time pushed up against the cage, I thought he was going to tap to that RNC though, it was fully locked in and was VERY lucky it was the end of the round.</p><p> </p><p> Rogers actually impressed me on a few occasions. Let's admit it, Rogers is not the most experienced fighter and is not a top HW despite how they like to promote him. I was surprised he got out of the armbar b/c I thought for sure Fedor had it and he did a good job not getting taken advantage of on the ground and the exchanges seemed to be somewhat even until he got knocked out as he managed to dodge a few of Fedor's looping punches.</p><p> </p><p> As far as where I stand with Fedor having to prove himself or his legendary status I don't think he needs to prove anything as he has beaten numerous top 10 hw's in the world and new top fighters will always be coming up so its not like he can beat them all and then be done. While the UFC has some monster HW's none of them are legend status yet, including Brock, and yes any one of them could be bigger than Fedor when their careers over but they are nothing to him. </p><p> </p><p> I do think Lesnar vs Fedor fight would be interesting but if they never fight I wont hold it against Fedor as he has fought size monsters (Choi, Sylvia, Schilt)before and he has fought respected strikers(Cro Cop, Arlovski) grapplers(Lindland, Hunt, Randleman Coleman), and submissionists (Nogueira) in the world at their respected time so really what else does he has to do?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jesterx7769" data-cite="jesterx7769" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25091" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>... so really what else does he has to do?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I guess all he has left to do really is fight in the UFC. That is never going to happen. So, we will always have that what if factor... What if Tyson fought Ali, in their primes? Only thing that drives everyone crazy is that Fedor and Lesnar/Coture/whoever... all exist right now at this time period, and we'll never get it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Rules Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 <p>I thought the Strikeforce card was great. It was a good show for them, and I think it will in return cause their next show to do quite well.</p><p> </p><p> I thought all the fights were good, even if the Sheilds fight was boring in parts. There was a lot of technical ground game there, and I enjoyed that.</p><p> </p><p> Overall, I enjoyed the entire show. It was my 2nd or 3rd Strikeforce show and I liked it. So I'll definitely be watching the next one.</p><p> </p><p> Fedor was impressive. I knew he was good, but I've only seen him fight a few times. I knew he was one of the best, but I thought he could be beat by some of the UFC guys. After that showing, I'm completely sure he's the best heavyweight in the world. And I'm not a Fedor bandwagoner.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tag01 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Johnny Fenoli" data-cite="Johnny Fenoli" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25091" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I guess all he has left to do really is fight in the UFC. That is never going to happen. So, we will always have that what if factor... What if Tyson fought Ali, in their primes? Only thing that drives everyone crazy is that Fedor and Lesnar/Coture/whoever... all exist right now at this time period, and we'll never get it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't think he has anything left to prove he's the greatest ever... I just want to see him fight the guys in the UFC. And while it's still looking bleak, I don't think we can assume just yet it will NEVER happen. It got close last time; if Strikeforce can't keep their network deal or make a splash on PPV the I could see Fedor not sticking around.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Did anyone watch the Strikeforce show on Friday? I don't have Showtime so I couldn't, it seemed like goofy scheduling but i don't know all the details behind it except that one was booked first but I would have liked to see Gurgel since despite his recent loosing efforts he puts on a good fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Fenoli Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tag01" data-cite="Tag01" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25091" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't think he has anything left to prove he's the greatest ever... I just want to see him fight the guys in the UFC. And while it's still looking bleak, I don't think we can assume just yet it will NEVER happen. It got close last time; if Strikeforce can't keep their network deal or make a splash on PPV the I could see Fedor not sticking around.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh I think he's the best personally too.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tag01 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 <p>Did any of you see this?</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/8/1121285/what-happened-to-mark-miller-v" rel="external nofollow">http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/8/1121285/what-happened-to-mark-miller-v</a></p><p> </p><p> I love Strikeforce, I always have. I love that they focus on local talent in their undercard, build new stars, and generally do things the right way. I'm pumped they've got tv deals now and are really making a push nationally. But this story makes me sick. This is such an EliteXC move, and as much bad mouthing as Dana gets for treating fighters badly he would never do this in a million years. Both of these guys need this fight re-set on the December card or the next challengers series, and both of them deserve to be paid a win bonus. I'm glad some of the MMA media is putting pressure on Strikeforce about this.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeemuFoundation Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 <p><span>http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/s/strikeforce/06.jpg</span></p><p> <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 <p>I actually met Mark Miller briefly as he trains his BJJ at the downtown Chicago Gracie Barra that just opened a few months back but I am now moving to Florida <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> It is screwy and doesn't make much sense b/c as the article states they still had 30 minutes to do the fight before they went live and they didn't do the fight after the main card as UFC has done a few occasions. I don't know who's decision it was but I am with you in that I am glad media outlets are picking it up.</p><p> </p><p> Also something I forgot to mention earlier, was anyone else dissapointed that they didn't show Fedor and Rogers enter the cage? They def. made sure to get Miller's little shin dig in but not the main event.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tag01 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jesterx7769" data-cite="jesterx7769" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25091" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I actually met Mark Miller briefly as he trains his BJJ at the downtown Chicago Gracie Barra that just opened a few months back but I am now moving to Florida <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> It is screwy and doesn't make much sense b/c as the article states they still had 30 minutes to do the fight before they went live and they didn't do the fight after the main card as UFC has done a few occasions. I don't know who's decision it was but I am with you in that I am glad media outlets are picking it up.</p><p> </p><p> Also something I forgot to mention earlier, was anyone else dissapointed that they didn't show Fedor and Rogers enter the cage? They def. made sure to get Miller's little shin dig in but not the main event.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yea, I forgot about that. I didn't mind them skipping the entrances on the other fights since that gets tedious to me. But for the main event, I think it builds suspense.</p><p> </p><p> And yea, I understand not wanting to squeeze another fight in there before live TV. They had problems with that at the EliteXC Primetime show, I think it was Carleton Haselrig's fight that they actually had the fighters running down the aisle to get the fight started and over before they went live. But there's no excuse not to go ahead and let them fight after the main event. That happens all the time.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jesterx7769" data-cite="jesterx7769" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25091" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> It is screwy and doesn't make much sense b/c as the article states they still had 30 minutes to do the fight before they went live and they didn't do the fight after the main card as UFC has done a few occasions. I don't know who's decision it was but I am with you in that I am glad media outlets are picking it up.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> With the Miller fight, it was more the fault of CBS...they had 30 mins to spare and needed 20 to set the cameras, lighting and sound for the live broadcast. They originally told both camps that the fight would be moved to the main card, eventually it was pushed back to after the main event. </p><p> </p><p> After the main event and the interviews that followed (which took twice as long as the CBS interview was not allowed to be shown on the international broadcast, meaning the international broadcast team had to wait until CBS went off the air before interviewing Fedor), someone (apparently on the CBS production staff) gave the instruction for the house lights to go on and everyone left. </p><p> </p><p> Also, at the end of the main event, stewards in the arena allowed people down fom the stands to the arena floor to rush the cage. This didn't help matters as they would have had to get everyone back to their seats if they were going to put another fight on. Wasn't gonna happen. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25091" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also something I forgot to mention earlier, was anyone else dissapointed that they didn't show Fedor and Rogers enter the cage? They def. made sure to get Miller's little shin dig in but not the main event.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We got to see the fighter entrances on the international broadcast. Fedor's was quite cool, he just walked to the cage with his head down wearing a sweater, pants and boots to some traditional Russian music. Looked like he had stepped straight out of a hut in the Russian wilderness.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tag01 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25091" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>With the Miller fight, it was more the fault of CBS...they had 30 mins to spare and needed 20 to set the cameras, lighting and sound for the live broadcast. They originally told both camps that the fight would be moved to the main card, eventually it was pushed back to after the main event. <p> </p><p> After the main event and the interviews that followed (which took twice as long as the CBS interview was not allowed to be shown on the international broadcast, meaning the international broadcast team had to wait until CBS went off the air before interviewing Fedor), someone (apparently on the CBS production staff) gave the instruction for the house lights to go on and everyone left. </p><p> </p><p> Also, at the end of the main event, stewards in the arena allowed people down fom the stands to the arena floor to rush the cage. This didn't help matters as they would have had to get everyone back to their seats if they were going to put another fight on. Wasn't gonna happen. </p><p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That may be true, but they should have gotten in squared away. Letting fans rush the cage is poor execution, not an excuse. The fight should have happened afterwards no matter what, but they were too focused on the press conference to care. CBS very well may be partially to blame, but Strikeforce is still responsible at the end of the day. Especially in regards to the fighters only getting show money instead of doing the right thing and paying them both win bonuses.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 That may be true, but they should have gotten in squared away. Letting fans rush the cage is poor execution, not an excuse. The fight should have happened afterwards no matter what, but they were too focused on the press conference to care. CBS very well may be partially to blame, but Strikeforce is still responsible at the end of the day. Especially in regards to the fighters only getting show money instead of doing the right thing and paying them both win bonuses. True, but that was the fault of the stewards that are employees of the arena. There's little that the Strikeforce staff could do about that because they have no authority over the arena staff. From a saftey/logistical point of view, it was taken out of SF's hands. They did offer to reschedule the fight that evening to the December show. It's looking like it will take place in Jan or Feb now. They also gave both guys full win bonuses, but neither will have recieved their full sponsorship dues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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