K-Nection Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I don't think you have been paying attention to ROH lately They are offering exclusive deals now. They got on national TV last year which led to WWE locking up Samoa Joe for fear that he'd be on their national TV show. WWE HAS been disrupting them for months now. They are keeping their foot on their neck. They are not trying to run them out of business there is a difference. They see ROH as trainers that they don't have to pay for. The one thing I can say about Hunter is he seems to favor getting indy talent way more than Johnny Ace ever did. They want to keep ROH an unpaid farming system and not let them become real competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 They are keeping their foot on their neck. They are not trying to run them out of business there is a difference. They see ROH as trainers that they don't have to pay for. The one thing I can say about Hunter is he seems to favor getting indy talent way more than Johnny Ace ever did. They want to keep ROH an unpaid farming system and not let them become real competition. No, it's much more than a foot on the neck. NXT is running the same towns on the days close to key ROH shows, and sometimes key ROH shows itself. It's actively trying to draw business away from ROH. Then add in the example of Samoa Joe getting the exclusive deal on the back of the idea ROH could have put him on TV under his initial deal. THEN add in the EVOLVE agreement with the clear message of "If your goal is making it to the WWE, you work here and not ROH.". It's WWE trying to drive ROH's business down, not just keeping them "an unpaid farming system" - to use your own words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 What people don't realize is that since the SBG buyout, WWE hasn't really used ROH as a breeding ground. Since 2011 they've taken Steen and Generico from there and that's it. Maybe Kings of Wrestling if you count them, though they were leaving right as the sell was happening. Compare that to the Evolve/DGUSA roster where they have Crews/Kalisto/Ambrose/Crowe(who just quit)/Busick/Swann/etc. They really have no use for ROH, certainly not as a breeding ground (though it seems like a lock for Cole and/or Lethal to leave this year. ROH wants to expand, but they way they've been handling it has been poor and they are in the midst of paying for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Given nonsensical booking in Rumbles, this is pretty funny: http://www.cagesideseats.com/2016/1/26/10836498/royal-rumble-2016-dumbest-ass-award-roman-reigns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Alright I get it guys WWE hates anyone else lol! You guys drive good points that I didn't know about and it seems they are making more critical mistakes then I realized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 No, it's much more than a foot on the neck. NXT is running the same towns on the days close to key ROH shows, and sometimes key ROH shows itself. It's actively trying to draw business away from ROH. Isn't this at least partially due to ROH piggybacking off of major WWE PPVs by running in the same area on the same weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Isn't this at least partially due to ROH piggybacking off of major WWE PPVs by running in the same area on the same weekend? Very true. They've not really been concerned until this year. Field of Honour (or whatever the Brooklyn ball park show was called) was noticeable because NXT Brooklyn ran the exact same night and had fans effectively being forced to choose between one or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Seems a bit TNA Mecca-ish to say that the moment TNA became interested in Styles & the Bullet Club WWE swooped in. Dudes were killing it in New Japan and WWE just launched the network over there. Getting big names from NJPW means you have a higher chance of people tuning in to see those names. TNA are about as big on WWE's radar as like, this board. RoH is the new target if you go by NXT running the same venues/striking up a deal with EVOLVE. They may not view TNA as direct competition (TNA is not direct competition) but I do think that the WWE is aware of the talent they have there. I mean this is Vince we are talking about here, this is the same guy who sung a song about destroying all of his competition back in the 1980's. WWE could have gone after AJ prior and they did do just that, from what I read they offered AJ a lowball contract when he left TNA but he did not sign with them because he could make more money working New Japan, ROH, and other indy promotions. AJ went over to Japan and broadened his worth internationally. TNA went after him because they needed big name talent for their fourth or fifth relaunch of their product. The WWE now seeing more value in AJ, because as you said WWE launched the Network in Japan and they needed talent that they could sell to the Japanese fans, offered AJ a big contract out of fear that he might go to TNA. There is no hidden conspiracy here and I am not a TNA fanboy trying to make TNA more than they are. Austin Aries, Samoa Joe, James Storm (Granted he went back to TNA) have all worked or are currently working for NXT at one point (They were all part of the main event scene prior to leaving the company). All are ex-TNA talent but yeah the WWE has no interest in TNA talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I don't think they go after TNA talent at all. Truthfully, James Storm, Samoa Joe and Austin Aries just fell into their hands. They were available because they left TNA and they all have drawing power, it makes sense to bring them in. But if WWE wanted TNA talent, you'd bet your bottom dollar that EC3 and Bobby Roode would be in NXT yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 It's WWE trying to drive ROH's business down, not just keeping them "an unpaid farming system" - to use your own words. Can't it be both? They just want to send them a message that they need to stay Indy. Expanding is hard for them anyways, especially with NXT catering to the same crowd (actually, the exact same crowd: it's almost like a carbon copy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I don't think they go after TNA talent at all. Truthfully, James Storm, Samoa Joe and Austin Aries just fell into their hands. They were available because they left TNA and they all have drawing power, it makes sense to bring them in. But if WWE wanted TNA talent, you'd bet your bottom dollar that EC3 and Bobby Roode would be in NXT yesterday. We'll be able to read all about it in RD Reynold's death of TNA book coming soon. :D:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurphy1014 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Just gonna leave this here. https://twitter.com/WWENXT/status/692517216227594240/photo/1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhawk8492 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 We'll be able to read all about it in RD Reynold's death of TNA book coming soon. :D:D TNA is not going anywhere anytime soon, they are getting better again on Pop. Just gonna leave this here. https://twitter.com/WWENXT/status/692517216227594240/photo/1 Hopefully they don't screw him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Other than Solomon Crowe, I really have no idea on who did they ever screw up on NXT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Watched this week's NXT. American Alpha (JJ & Gable) are officially my favorite tag team. As entertaining as New Day are, I could watch JJ & Gable wrestle for half an hour straight and I wouldn't get bored. The only thing stopping them from being called up in the next few months is that they still need to win the NXT Tag Titles and Enzo & Cass are due for a call-up first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Other than Solomon Crowe, I really have no idea on who did they ever screw up on NXT. Mojo and CJP! Dudes could be at Finn Balor's level! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Watched this week's NXT. American Alpha (JJ & Gable) are officially my favorite tag team. As entertaining as New Day are, I could watch JJ & Gable wrestle for half an hour straight and I wouldn't get bored. The only thing stopping them from being called up in the next few months is that they still need to win the NXT Tag Titles and Enzo & Cass are due for a call-up first. I thought NXT was good too, and I love chad and gable. I like the Americna Alpha name but it irks to no end they didn't make it plural. Should be American Alphas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrippler Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I thought NXT was good too, and I love chad and gable. I like the Americna Alpha name but it irks to no end they didn't make it plural. Should be American Alphas Agreed, that bothers me too....but what bothers me more is there can only be ONE Alpha Male.... http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gwf/images/c/c8/1712_-_monty_brown_tna.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130418015752 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukess11 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Watched this week's NXT. American Alpha (JJ & Gable) are officially my favorite tag team. As entertaining as New Day are, I could watch JJ & Gable wrestle for half an hour straight and I wouldn't get bored. The only thing stopping them from being called up in the next few months is that they still need to win the NXT Tag Titles and Enzo & Cass are due for a call-up first. I fell in love with them when watching NXT for the first time in months yesterday. WWE is doing real well regarding match quality this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 American Alpha are fantastic together. I would love to see a long term war between them and Enzo & Cass. I feel like where one team is a little better at the wrestling the other is a little better at entertaining and I feel like those are the tag team wars I always liked best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 American Alpha are fantastic together. I would love to see a long term war between them and Enzo & Cass. I feel like where one team is a little better at the wrestling the other is a little better at entertaining and I feel like those are the tag team wars I always liked best I'm enjoying the more intense version of Enzo and Cass presented lately. They can still be the boys from jersey and not be cutting a comedy promo 100% of the time. Serious, pissed off Enzo is my favorite Enzo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Other than Solomon Crowe, I really have no idea on who did they ever screw up on NXT. Chris Hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukess11 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Chris Hero. To be fair, he got fired because he refused to lose weight IIRC. Otherwise, I would say they messed up Dempsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 To be fair, he got fired because he refused to lose weight IIRC. Otherwise, I would say they messed up Dempsey. I'm not sure there is much to "mess up" with Bull. he's a chunky dude with a pretty limited move set. He screams midcarder to me, which is where he is. Honestly, Kevin Owens prob hurt Bull at full sail more that NXT creative did. While Bull is obviously a bigger gentleman, Owens is no skinny guy, yet his move set and timing in the ring are light years ahead of Bull. It's tough not to look at Bull and be like "you should be doing more" after seeing Owens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Mojo and CJP! Dudes could be at Finn Balor's level! Even though you were sarcastic...the crowds weren't really eating up Mojo's act. And I liked CJ...but he never really went anywhere, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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