The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Linsolv]

Given the way RAW usually opens, and my inexperience with SD!, I'm kinda surprised that McIntyre didn't run-in and steal the belt.

 

Incidentally, while I prefer the in-ring and backstage elements of SD! better, I really hate the commentary team on SmackDown! -- though that's true of RAW as well. I always wanna punch Todd Grisham whenever I see him. Which isn't very nice of me considering that he seems like an alright guy. Just with an incredibly punchable face. Did I... see blood on Christian's face? Wow, this is incredible! Who okayed this?

 

EDIT: Kinda spoke too soon. He popped out after the pin to have VKM give him the title back. Via a letter.

 

EDIT 2: I feel like CM Punk or the Miz should be feuding with Swagger, just because he's trying to claim their spots as "better than you" and "awesome." I wonder where he's from? I feel like he NEVER mentions his home town.

 

In all seriousness, though, I wonder why he didn't go after a career in football or legit wrestling.

 

As someone who never got recognized for a damn thing in my high school career, seeing Show destroy all those trophies actually really upset me. Swagger just got all the face heat he could've asked for from me.

[supershot]

If you ask me, Swaggie has been handling himself pretty well in promos. Better than I expected.

[ColtCabana]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Linsolv" data-cite="Linsolv" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> As someone who never got recognized for a damn thing in my high school career, seeing Show destroy all those trophies actually really upset me. Swagger just got all the face heat he could've asked for from me.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I was the opposite, they were all fake trophies. As soon as I saw "Jack Swagger" on them instead of Jake Hager I knew they were getting smashed!</p>

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Linsolv" data-cite="Linsolv" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> In all seriousness, though, I wonder why he didn't go after a career in football or legit wrestling.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nobody makes any money as a "legit" wrestler unless you go into MMA and it takes a different breed of cat to do that. He was a defensive end but he was second string and so chances are becoming a pro wrestler was his best bet money wise especially since when he was signed guys like Ross, Briscoe and others were still calling the shots. Brock was a better athlete IMO and he couldn't even make it in football.</p>

[fatallylost]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Linsolv" data-cite="Linsolv" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> I wonder where he's from? I feel like he NEVER mentions his home town.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I believe he's from Boise, Idaho.. isn't he? I thought I heard something about a love of potatoes.</p>

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nobody makes any money as a "legit" wrestler unless you go into MMA and it takes a different breed of cat to do that. He was a defensive end but he was second string and so chances are becoming a pro wrestler was his best bet money wise especially since when he was signed guys like Ross, Briscoe and others were still calling the shots. Brock was a better athlete IMO and he couldn't even make it in football.</div></blockquote><p> The problem between Brock Lesnar and football was that he had done no college football, and had been out of practice for a while. </p><p> </p><p> Unlike most people, I KNEW he wouldn't make it a football but believed he had a chance in MMA. MMA doesn't present the same problem: there isn't college or even high-school MMA (yet). With football, he had to work within a team. In MMA, he failed and succeeded mostly because or despite himself. </p><p> </p><p> As for making money as a "legit" wrestler, I don't know... Jack Swagger could have made some money as a legit wrestler, but did he want to do so? That's the real question.</p>

[Stennick]

<p>How do "legit" wrestlers make any sort of real money? I'm not being a (richard) I'm just asking how legit wrestlers would make any kind of money. Isn't all shoot wrestling amateur? The Olympics, the NCAA I've not heard of any way to make money in shoot wrestling past the NCAA not directly atleast. </p><p> </p><p>

Like I said he could go into MMA but thats not shoot wrestling. In shoot wrestling your not being punched in the face or kicked in the head. I'm not saying you can't do it obviously Randy Couture, Brock, Hughes all say hi but I'm just saying to WANT to do it is another story.</p><p> </p><p>

He only had two years of college football and both of those was as a second stringer so its tough to say if he would have made it in football or not. I just don't really look at the guy and say "man he coulda been a helluva football player".</p><p> </p><p>

Some quick research and there is an interview with Koscheck talking about exactly what I was saying. There is no money in wrestling and thats why guys get into MMA. He says you might make 30 a year as a coach and maybe if you win the olympics some cash. </p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_15043420" rel="external nofollow">http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_15043420</a></p>

[ampulator]

<p>When I mean making money, I mean making enough money to live, not necessarily more than that. That's one thing legit sports have other pro wrestling... you might not be making a lot, but you don't be dirt poor. For pro-wrestling, it's either Japan, WWE, or you don't make money, period.</p><p> </p><p>

Swagger could have made enough money to feed himself, maybe even his family if he has one.</p>

[Stennick]

<p>Yeah idk man. 30,000 is what he says most wrestlers get as coaches thats not a lot of scratch to feed a family. You can do it sure but why? You're not making money AS a wrestler you're making money AFTER being a wrestler. So you're making 30 G's a year to coach other kids. Unless thats your passion in life (if so great) otherwise you might as well take the degree you got while you were there and use it. Swagger for instance had a degree in finance he could have easily doubled that 30 G's a year. </p><p> </p><p>

I've said it for years even when WCW was in full swing. There are less people making a full time living at pro wrestling than major league baseball, than pro football, or any of the major sports in our country. </p><p> </p><p>

Your chances of making a living at being a pro wrestler are smaller than they are playing in a major pro sport thats jaw dropping when you think about it. </p><p> </p><p>

Although wasn't Joe charging 1500 an appearance when he was ROH champion? Seems like if you work at that rate twice a month and do nothing else you'll make 36 a year so maybe the top end ROH guys make enough I really don't know.</p>

[ampulator]

You misunderstand me. I don't mean he couldn't do something besides legit wrestling. I meant it that he COULD have done it, not there was no other options. Besides, I doubt he's making THAT much more as WWE wrestler. Jericho himself got a huge paycut when he returned to the WWE.

[Stennick]

<p>I know you're saying it could be done but thats like saying he could work at McDonalds <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> All I was saying is that you don't make money being a shoot wrestler in North America unless you go to the Olympics. </p><p> </p><p>

Trust me he's making a ton of cash in the WWE. Just for reference Jeff Hardy was offered 750,000 a year to wrestle for them. He turned it down but still.</p><p> </p><p>

I'm not saying Swagger is getting that much but he's World Heavyweight Champion I bet he's making six figures EASY. Jericho's paycut was because he was working in the WWE during their most successful time ever. Merch was up, gates were up, ppv buys were up. So yeah he's taken a pay cut but he's still making well into the six figures just like Swagger.</p>

[ampulator]

<p>I just want to point out that, even if they offered Jeff Hardy that amount of money, they would have probably released him anyway. </p><p> </p><p>

As for six figures, I don't know. I doubt that's case. Definitely high 5 figures, but six? That's hard to believe.</p>

[Stennick]

<p>He's World Heavyweight Champion and you don't think he's making 13 percent of what they offered Jeff? Again for all I know the guy is working for free but I just look at what they offered Jeff and I would have to believe that Swagger is making ATLEAST 13 percent of what they would be willing to pay Hardy. He's co main eventing pay per views, he's headlining house shows. Who knows but I'd be shocked if he didn't make a 100,000 a year. </p><p> </p><p>

On a sidenote if they were willing to throw that money at Hardy then what does Cena, Trips, Orton, Taker make?</p>

[jbergey_2005]

It makes me sick that Vicki Guerrero is back on RAW. I was close to whipping my shoe at the TV when I heard she was the RAW GM again. There is nothing mildly interesting in her being the GM of RAW again IMO.

[masterded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It makes me sick that Vicki Guerrero is back on RAW. I was close to whipping my shoe at the TV when I heard she was the RAW GM again. There is nothing mildly interesting in her being the GM of RAW again IMO.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Didn’t she resign at the end of Raw?</p>

[jbergey_2005]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="masterded" data-cite="masterded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Didn’t she resign at the end of Raw?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> LOL, I hope so I always miss the end cause the DVR always cuts off a couple minutes before the end.</p><p> </p><p> You may have just made my day.</p>

[LucianCarter]

<p>The WWE Brass, who can't tell heel heat from X-Pac heat, heard the reaction of the crowd, who were peeved they had to see her not into her character, they decided to continue with it.</p><p> </p><p>

On Smackdown she claimed to be both RAW GM and Smackdown consultant.</p>

[masterded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KucianCarter" data-cite="KucianCarter" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The WWE Brass, who can't tell heel heat from X-Pac heat, heard the reaction of the crowd, who were peeved they had to see her not into her character, they decided to continue with it.<p> </p><p> On Smackdown she claimed to be both RAW GM and Smackdown consultant.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That sucks.</p>

[jbergey_2005]

True. The last thing I want to see is more face time for her and that stupid "Excuse me"

[-laz-]

that woman is one of the main reasons i stopped watching wwe on a regular basis

[Self]

<p>I love Vickie Guerrero with the power of a thousand suns. My heart fills with joy whenever she appears on screen. She is fantastic. </p><p> </p><p>

That being said, her relationship with Heel Edge has run it's course. If Edge was a babyface there would be dramatic juice to squeeze out of the situation. As a Heel they're scraping the barrel.</p>

[-laz-]

i have this habbit of changing the channel as soon as she opens her mouth

[The Shape]

For the overwhelming majority of WWE's fanbase the notion of "X Pac heat" is completely irrelevant. WWE's target audience in general will not distinguish between vickie guerrero, the performer, and vickie guerrero, the character.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I like Vickie only when she steps out of the usual "EXCUSE MEEE" spiel. I get that the catchphrase generates heat and everything, but at a certain point... change the cassette. Which is somewhat what she did during her time with the trashy divas on SmackDown!, she remained as cunning and hateful as usual, without much of the EXCUSE ME banter. However that Raw, when she came back, it looked as if she had nothing but that in the tank. Glad it was a one-trick pony though, and if they consider bringing her back... let's go for diversity this time(which also means no heel sucking up to her in some long-running angle again).

[Self]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="-laz-" data-cite="-laz-" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>i have this habbit of changing the channel as soon as she opens her mouth</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Then you're missing the best part! <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I like Vickie because I've begun to dislike superheroes. When I was younger I totally dug Superman and Batman and Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart, you know, powerful warriors who are the best at everything and always win the day. They were aspiration figures. I dreamt I would one day be like them. However, as I've got older I've become... well... Me. I'm not awesome. I'm pretty good at a couple of things but all in all, I suck. So I've started to resent the superheroes I once worshipped. I can't relate to John Cena. I can't cheer on Triple H. I want to see Rey Mysterio get punched in the face <em>really hard</em>. I now relate to weakness, and Vickie Guerrero personifies weakness. She isn't a comfortable talker, she's physically vulnerable, so I can sympathize and relate to her pain and take great pleasure in her joy. Her victory at Wrestlemania filled me with so much joy I felt like I could burst.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not a typical wrestling fan. I know that. Vickie's not everyone's cup of tea, but she's a beverage I look forward to drinking all week long.</p>