The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hellshock70" data-cite="hellshock70" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>At the same time what if McMahon updated his music to a more current song? Wouldn't fly with someone almost as old as my dad. So he's stuck sort of....<p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Ehhhh...that's a fair point.</p><p> </p><p> But how many people would know how old Killings is IRL. They've updated theme songs before. Looks too. If they tweaked it a little and still did the "what's up" thing he'd be fine.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hellshock70" data-cite="hellshock70" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Here is another way to look at it too.<p> </p><p> JTG has an image that caters to the younger Bling Bling/ grill wearing generation while R-Truth caters to the older nearing 40 generation.</p><p> </p><p> They have someone for both ends of their age demographic.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I call shenanigans on a hip hop character appealing to that niche "40 year old gangsta demographic" of the WWE audience.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Killings is no different its not like he even looks like a typical 40 year old from his side of the streets. Luda cut his braids off, Ice Cube got rid of the curls, Ice T cut his hair. All of these men are in entertainment and all of them have switched their look up to appear more modern. So saying that its his generation and its how people his age dress isn't even accurate. Its how his generation dressed 20 years ago. Heck its how I would have dressed 20 years ago when I was in the 8th grade gangsta dancing to Coolio's "gangsta paradise" in my suburban home without a clue what he was talking about. I use to sag my jeans and wear Bugle Boy t shirts. 20 years later I've stopped doing that. Not that Bugle Boy was ever in style but my point has been made.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wolnderfully put.</p><p> </p><p> Although..how awesome would it be to have R Truth show up with a full on Gheri curl out of nowhere?</p>

[hellshock70]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah I agree he's playing a character on television. As far as McMahon changing his character up via music. McMahon is a legendary character and easily one of the top five most recognizable characters of the last 15 years. So him changing something that is identifiable with him is a lot different than R Truth has has been a mid carder at best his entire career. <p> </p><p> He's not appealing to 40 year olds with his "was up" I don't know many 40 year olds that say "was up". Some? Sure but most 40 year olds say "hows it going". So shouldn't his rap being "something in coherant on a live mic....how is going? *dance* hows it going?". </p><p> </p><p> EVERYONE in the WWE is meant to mostly entertain children. John Cena'd dudley do right gimmick is meant for ten year olds that need a real life super man. There is a reason Hogan's character was booked so similar to Cena their the same character (essentially) and their marketed to the same age group.</p><p> </p><p> Killings is no different its not like he even looks like a typical 40 year old from his side of the streets. Luda cut his braids off, Ice Cube got rid of the curls, Ice T cut his hair. All of these men are in entertainment and all of them have switched their look up to appear more modern. So saying that its his generation and its how people his age dress isn't even accurate. Its how his generation dressed 20 years ago. Heck its how I would have dressed 20 years ago when I was in the 8th grade gangsta dancing to Coolio's "gangsta paradise" in my suburban home without a clue what he was talking about. I use to sag my jeans and wear Bugle Boy t shirts. 20 years later I've stopped doing that. Not that Bugle Boy was ever in style but my point has been made.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Then it's safe to say you haven't seen the black people a few blocks away from my townhouse saying "s'up", waz up" and a few others phrases and still in their 30's not knowing how to keep their pants off the ground.</p>

[Stennick]

That would be awesome, it'd be even more awesome if he could spit like Cube did while he had said curls....sadly neither is happening <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[hellshock70]

<p>He can do this again:</p><p> </p><p>

<span>http://images.tvrage.com/people/35/104567.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p>

which was after this:</p><p> </p><p>

<span>http://www.coliseumwrestlingboxing.com/ron_killings.jpg</span></p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hellshock70" data-cite="hellshock70" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Then it's safe to say you haven't seen the black people a few blocks away from my townhouse saying "s'up", waz up" and a few others phrases and still in their 30's not knowing how to keep their pants off the ground.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I know those dudes. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> i think the point is..how many of them watch wrestling?</p><p> </p><p> I get what you're saying hellshock, but it's a stretch to say there's a specific audience that Truth's look appeal to. More likely, there's not enough people in the WWE audience that are in to hip hop and can tell the difference between what's current now and what was current in 1995. </p><p> </p><p> He has a dated look. Period.</p><p> </p><p> Someone (Truth or a writer or somebody) should update him. Period.</p><p> </p><p> Especially if the goal is - as mentioned - to create a superstar to appeal to the black audience.</p>

[hellshock70]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I know those dudes. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> i think the point is..how many of them watch wrestling?</p><p> </p><p> I get what you're saying hellshock, but it's a stretch to say there's a specific audience that Truth's look appeal to. More likely, there's not enough people in the WWE audience that are in to hip hop and can tell the difference between what's current now and what was current in 1995. </p><p> </p><p> He has a dated look. Period.</p><p> </p><p> Someone (Truth or a writer or somebody) should update him. Period.</p><p> </p><p> Especially if the goal is - as mentioned - to create a superstar to appeal to the black audience.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, you have 5 each with their OWN appearance. So what would you propose to do different and it not be taken from the other 4?</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hellshock70" data-cite="hellshock70" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He can do this again:<p> </p><p> <span>http://images.tvrage.com/people/35/104567.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> which was after this:</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://www.coliseumwrestlingboxing.com/ron_killings.jpg</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The first is an improvement.</p><p> </p><p> The second...wow. White denim with airbrush. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Can someone mail him a current copy of Source magazine. Please.</p>

[PeterHilton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="hellshock70" data-cite="hellshock70" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, you have 5 each with their OWN appearance. So what would you propose to do different and it not be taken from the other 4?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why does it have to be so unique? The audience can't tell black people apart?</p><p> </p><p> There are certainly enough similar looking white guys on the roster.</p>

[hellshock70]

<p>And on another thing. </p><p> </p><p>

Most of the writers are white. So that being said, you take a white guy messing with a black guys image and if it doesn't come off as something that African-Americans can identify with? Well then, you have a whole different problem.</p><p> </p><p>

And a 80's or 90's rapper, no matter how out of date it is, it is still identifiable as a legit African-American gimmick.</p>

[hellshock70]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PeterHilton" data-cite="PeterHilton" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why does it have to be so unique? <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em><strong>The audience can't tell black people apart</strong></em></span>?<p> </p><p> There are certainly enough similar looking white guys on the roster.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That way of thinking has severe undertones.</p>

[brashleyholland]

 

And a 80's or 90's rapper, no matter how out of date it is, it is still identifiable as a legit African-American gimmick.

 

Still needs a guy who can rap to pull it off...which R Truth can't.

[hellshock70]

Still needs a guy who can rap to pull it off...which R Truth can't.

 

Tell that to Biz Markey. LOL

 

[hellshock70]

Tell that to Biz Markey. LOL

 

 

 

My wife just said he sounds drunk then she remembered the song and remembered she liked it.

[brashleyholland]

Tell that to Biz Markey. LOL

 

 

Lol! That's almost (but not quite) as good as this...

 

 

Rapping doesn't start till about 1:15, but the whole thing is worth a watch. I don't know if it makes me happy or sad to be from Manchester.

 

Best bit:

 

Covers goin' sick tonight,

I'm like Superman without Kryptonite

Phat as hell without cellulite,

And I look well sick in a UV light!

[PeterHilton]

That way of thinking has severe undertones.

 

You're the one who implied that the five black members of the roster (which is wrong I believe..I'm pretty sure there's more) needed to have completely separate looks for some reason.

 

i was asking why is all.

 

And FYI i'm of mixed hispanic/black heritage with two kids who's mom is black. I'm perfectly comfortable talking about (not to imply I know more about this subject or whatnot..just that I'm comfortable)

 

And on another thing.

 

Most of the writers are white. So that being said, you take a white guy messing with a black guys image and if it doesn't come off as something that African-Americans can identify with? Well then, you have a whole different problem.

 

And a 80's or 90's rapper, no matter how out of date it is, it is still identifiable as a legit African-American gimmick.

 

He's playing a rapper. not an era specific rapper. imo.

[hellshock70]

Lol! That's almost (but not quite) as good as this...

 

 

Rapping doesn't start till about 1:15, but the whole thing is worth a watch. I don't know if it makes me happy or sad to be from Manchester.

 

Best bit:

 

Covers goin' sick tonight,

I'm like Superman without Kryptonite

Phat as hell without cellulite,

And I look well sick in a UV light!

 

He cut his hair? Didn't I see him in San Andreas with a "burping the worm" problem?

[hellshock70]

You're the one who implied that the five black members of the roster (which is wrong I believe..I'm pretty sure there's more) needed to have completely separate looks for some reason.

 

i was asking why is all.

 

And FYI i'm of mixed hispanic/black heritage with two kids who's mom is black. I'm perfectly comfortable talking about (not to imply I know more about this subject or whatnot..just that I'm comfortable)

 

 

 

He's playing a rapper. not an era specific rapper. imo.

 

The five black members I mentioned are the 5 they're pushing to get the next black superstar.

 

As for era specific isn't that your problem with him, that he's not current?

[brashleyholland]

He cut his hair? Didn't I see him in San Andreas with a "burping the worm" problem?

 

Lol, nah, Macca in San Andreas was played by Sean Ryder, a musical genius and frontman for The Happy Mondays. They were one of the most influential British bands of the last 20 or so years.

 

The idiots in that vid are The Blackout Krew...who suck :-D

[hellshock70]

Lol, nah, Macca in San Andreas was played by Sean Ryder, a musical genius and frontman for The Happy Mondays. They were one of the most influential British bands of the last 20 or so years.

 

The idiots in that vid are The Blackout Krew...who suck :-D

 

Yeah. LOL

 

For some reason most of the rock acts I'm used to seem to lose their accents when singing. (Scorpions too)

[PeterHilton]

The five black members I mentioned are the 5 they're pushing to get the next black superstar.

 

As for era specific isn't that your problem with him, that he's not current?

 

I never saw you mention any 5 roster members specifically so I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to that. My mistake if I missed that post.

 

And yes. That's my problem. He's playing a rapper ie a CURRENT rapper and he's dated.

 

If he came out and said" I'm old school and I keep it old school" or whatever then that would be acceptable or at least make more sense.

 

But he's not. Hence the issue.

 

His look doesn't match his gimmick. And if you're going to create some breakout black superstar then the gimmick has to feel authentic and I honestly think that any new black viewers who tune in to WWE who also happen to be fans of hip hop are going to look at Truth and say "WTF? when did Treach from Naughty By Nature start wrestling? "

 

And they are going to immediately tune out because the WWE clearly has no frickin clue because R Truth as a rapper (a CURRENT rapper) is phony as hell.

[brashleyholland]

 

For some reason most of the rock acts I'm used to seem to lose their accents when singing. (Scorpions too)

 

Tyson Schenker (son of Michael Schenker, of Scorpions fame) is a good friend of mine. He once (in true rock star style) trashed my spare room when he was staying over at my place one night. It was 8am and we'd polished off a fair amount of Jaeger to be fair though

[LoganRodzen]

I just read through the past few pages and a few things that stuck out to me:

• Linsolv is a voice person and the lack of responses after his (revealing) post made me laugh. But seriously, I'm an Orton fan as well. I thought he was the absolute coolest person when he was doing his RNN Reports when he hurt his shoulder in 2002. The Legend Killer gimmick was by far the coolest gimmick WWE had done in the past 10 years.

On the discussion of Killings changing up music, attire, or anything... why the heck should or would he? He's getting an incredible (cheap) reaction from every city WWE goes to. The "what's up?" is so easy that a two year old can catch on. He just picked up a championship and WWE is proving that they don't hold anything against workers who have jumped between WWE and TNA multiple times (like Killings has). Whether or not it's a stereotype is irrelevant. Butts are in the seats at their events and when Truth's music hits... those butts are out of their seats chanting, "WHAT'S UP?!"

 

He's the very definition of a popular midcarder. I wouldn't change a thing about the guy.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[hellshock70]

I never saw you mention any 5 roster members specifically so I have no idea what you're talking about in regards to that. My mistake if I missed that post.

 

And yes. That's my problem. He's playing a rapper ie a CURRENT rapper and he's dated.

 

If he came out and said" I'm old school and I keep it old school" or whatever then that would be acceptable or at least make more sense.

 

But he's not. Hence the issue.

 

His look doesn't match his gimmick. And if you're going to create some breakout black superstar then the gimmick has to feel authentic and I honestly think that any new black viewers who tune in to WWE who also happen to be fans of hip hop are going to look at Truth and say "WTF? when did Treach from Naughty By Nature start wrestling? "

 

And they are going to immediately tune out because the WWE clearly has no frickin clue because R Truth as a rapper (a CURRENT rapper) is phony as hell.

 

Truth's rapping may not to be everyone's tastes, but there's no doubt about it that he is over. And the thousands who pop when he comes out and 'rap' along with him all buy into it.