The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[djthefunkchris]

<p>I've heard that WWE actually does their storylines far in advance (probably knows the next six PPV's already, or at least 90% of). So when someone all the sudden is gone, or something happens differently, they have to think on their feet, and try to get back into the same "program" as before, so as to not screw up other storylines that intersync with them, etc. At least that's my thinking.</p><p> </p><p>

EDIT: I can remember two times I was really dissapointed because of this. Hardcore Holly on ECW, and Joey Mercury. Hardcore Holly went one on one with I believe RVD, for almost the whole show. Thing was, 80% of it was after Holly went through a table badly, getting a really good cut clean accross his back. He didn't stop wrestling, they did the whole match, and the crowd was really impressed with it. The following week he shows up on ECW with the gash and all, and still wants to compete. The crowd was really into him, and I think if they would have capitalized on it, Holly would/could/should have been headlining within' a couple of weeks of it, against just about anyone.</p><p> </p><p>

Mercury was in a big tag match, or maybe it was the money in the bank match (I can't remember). He had his face smashed by that ladder that Jeff Hardy jumped onto. He was really hurt badly. The next time he come on WWE, they showed all that, and the crowd was cheering away when they seen he showed up anyways. Instead of capitalizing on it, they had him whine about it. I honestly think they were going to try something similar to what Cody Rhodes is doing with the Mysterio assault on his face. The problem though, was he was totally ripe for either a face change, or becoming a "bad A..!" The crowd was ready for either. But not what happened, turned him into a cry-baby which lost all the heat in about two or three minutes of his promo. Bad thing for me is I always liked Joey Mercury alot better then Johnny Nitro/John Morrison. I think his ring psychology is allot better, he talks better, and he is more believable as a legit threat to me then I think Morrison ever will.... Morrison just looks to me if you were to look at him really mean, and punch him in the nose, he would litterally cry. SO does the WOO WOO guy by the way. I can't get into people I think I could probably chew out and make them cry. Seems these are the people the Internet fans are wanting pushed though, which really boggle's me.</p>

[FINisher]

<p>After seeing the episode it's really clear how there's the bigger plan to turn Christian heel. There was Long's interview where he said "It's not about what's fair, it's about giving WWE Universe what they want" and also the fact that the fans voted for Orton gives atleast some kind of reason for Christian to turn on the fans. Also the post-match angle of Christian looking sad and whatnot is another clear hint. Lets put it this way: If there wasn't a bigger plan and a bigger picture to all of this, there wouldn't have been that post-match angle and the Long and Christian promos/interviews.</p><p> </p><p>

The thing that I'm now looking forward to is to see how the fans react to this on next week's Smackdown: Will they boo for Orton? If Christian is turning heel and makes a heel promo, will they cheer or boo for him?</p>

[eayragt]

I think we need to give WWE the chance on this one after watching Smackdown.

 

We have to understand Christian was never meant to be champion. He was never going to have a reign of a couple of months, of the question was how to take the title off him. He could have lost in at Over the Limit, sunk to the midcard and be given the Intercontinental Title later this year.

 

Instead WWE took the title off him now - but they've built it up as a shattered dream. The voiceover at the beginning of the show, Christian's promo, Christian's forlorn exit after the match. They didn't just take the title off Christian, they've recognised it as a huge blow to the man. They've given Christian a story (his old story was injured by ADR, Edge's mate - that's not a Main Event story), they could do something with this and leave Christian in the Main Event for... longer than Mark Henry stays there. This has potential - I would rather Christian had a 5 day reign and stayed relevant for longer than a month or two reign then sinking fast.

 

Now sure, it means that WWE have to do something with this, but lets see. Smackdown was well done, lets just see if they continue with this.

 

In other news, will Big Zeke be a face now, or a heel not aligned with the Corre? I'm guessing a face, with feuds with Barrett and then I guess Sheamus. I'd actually be interested in that.

[Fantabulous]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Lexa90" data-cite="Lexa90" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It seems like Alicia Foxx was injured at the SD tapings. Let's just hope that Kharma wasn't the one who injured her... <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Having seen the incident in question, Kong clotheslining Foxx, Foxx took the bump wrong so the blame should go on her.</p>

[LoNdOn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Having seen the incident in question, Kong clotheslining Foxx, Foxx took the bump wrong so the blame should go on her.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In defence of Foxx, Kharma hit her pretty damn hard, not sure if she had much say in how she landed on that occasion.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Edge didn't have much in the way of injuries until about 5 years into his WWE career, by which time he'd been about a ten thousand time tag team champion, Intercontinental champion, King of the Ring, etc. Meanwhile Kennedy had poorly timed injuries that kept him from ever gaining any momentum, and came back from a year long lay-off looking sloppy and with an attitude.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> More specific like being injured right after winning MITB or on the night he returned for that huge 10 man tag match on Raw (when Orton supposedly stiffed him)</p><p> </p><p> Just poor luck for the man. After his feud with Taker, he was never around long enough to do anything with it. He had a feud with HBK that many people dont know about too because I want to say he was abruptly injured too.</p>

[sebsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've heard that WWE actually does their storylines far in advance (probably knows the next six PPV's already, or at least 90% of). So when someone all the sudden is gone, or something happens differently, they have to think on their feet, and try to get back into the same "program" as before, so as to not screw up other storylines that intersync with them, etc. At least that's my thinking.<p> </p><p> EDIT: I can remember two times I was really dissapointed because of this. Hardcore Holly on ECW, and Joey Mercury. Hardcore Holly went one on one with I believe RVD, for almost the whole show. Thing was, 80% of it was after Holly went through a table badly, getting a really good cut clean accross his back. He didn't stop wrestling, they did the whole match, and the crowd was really impressed with it. The following week he shows up on ECW with the gash and all, and still wants to compete. The crowd was really into him, and I think if they would have capitalized on it, Holly would/could/should have been headlining within' a couple of weeks of it, against just about anyone.</p><p> </p><p> Mercury was in a big tag match, or maybe it was the money in the bank match (I can't remember). He had his face smashed by that ladder that Jeff Hardy jumped onto. He was really hurt badly. The next time he come on WWE, they showed all that, and the crowd was cheering away when they seen he showed up anyways. Instead of capitalizing on it, they had him whine about it. I honestly think they were going to try something similar to what Cody Rhodes is doing with the Mysterio assault on his face. The problem though, was he was totally ripe for either a face change, or becoming a "bad A..!" The crowd was ready for either. But not what happened, turned him into a cry-baby which lost all the heat in about two or three minutes of his promo. Bad thing for me is I always liked Joey Mercury alot better then Johnny Nitro/John Morrison. I think his ring psychology is allot better, he talks better, and he is more believable as a legit threat to me then I think Morrison ever will.... Morrison just looks to me if you were to look at him really mean, and punch him in the nose, he would litterally cry. SO does the WOO WOO guy by the way. I can't get into people I think I could probably chew out and make them cry. Seems these are the people the Internet fans are wanting pushed though, which really boggle's me.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> The match you are thinking of with Mercury was at Armageddon 2006 iirc. Was a fatal four way tag team match for the WWE Tag Team Championships. London & Kendrick © vs MNM vs The Hardy's vs Regal & Dave Taylor. I remember it well because of the incident you speak of. Was a horrible injury but made the match better in a sick way. Although it was a pretty bloody good match anyway.</p>

[Fantabulous]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoNdOn" data-cite="LoNdOn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In defence of Foxx, Kharma hit her pretty damn hard, not sure if she had much say in how she landed on that occasion.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> From the way she bumped, it looked like Foxx was turning to try and take the fall on her front. If she'd just taken normal flatback bump she wouldn't have injured herself.</p>

[LoNdOn]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>From the way she bumped, it looked like Foxx was turning to try and take the fall on her front. If she'd just taken normal flatback bump she wouldn't have injured herself.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If that was indeed the case, it looked to me as though she was off balance when she was smacked to the floor and Kharma just blitzed her. Either way, wasn't a pleasant landing.</p>

[cappyboy]

EDIT: I can remember two times I was really dissapointed because of this. Hardcore Holly on ECW, and Joey Mercury. Hardcore Holly went one on one with I believe RVD, for almost the whole show. Thing was, 80% of it was after Holly went through a table badly, getting a really good cut clean accross his back. He didn't stop wrestling, they did the whole match, and the crowd was really impressed with it. The following week he shows up on ECW with the gash and all, and still wants to compete. The crowd was really into him, and I think if they would have capitalized on it, Holly would/could/should have been headlining within' a couple of weeks of it, against just about anyone.

 

I know what you mean. I know Holly's a very easy guy to dislike because of all the talk from the dirt sites and the Tough Enough incident with Cappotelli and all that. But on the screen where it really mattered, I always liked Holly. The dude was a real throwback. He was the bad-ass tough guy that loudmouth Austin fancied himself to be and his promos harkened back to the days when you could substitute intensity for charisma. This situation with RVD was a prime example of it at the time and I agree. If they'd been able to capitalize, it could have been a golden age for ole Hardcore. I can't remember people ever having been more excited for him than they were in this period. Was not to be though and as a wrestling fan, that saddens me.

[Jaysin]

Totally off topic, but in July I'm driving almost 5 hours to Indianapolis just to meet DDP and Roddy Piper at the Days of the Dead horror convention. Excited? HECK YEAH!! Totally going to fanboy out over Page

[Mr Rager]

<p>Just had the chance to catch Smackdown and, like a couple of other people have said, I've got a very different stance on the Christian/Orton incident having watched it pan out as opposed to when I'd just read the spoiler. Well, I'm still disappointed that he couldn't have had a longer reign, but from the way they built it up it's clear that there's big plans for these two; from Christian welling up during his promo at the start of the show, to the fact that they ended the show with him walking out of the arena a broken man as opposed to ending the show with a shot of the new champion proudly parading the title (like I'd expected them to).</p><p> </p><p>

Sure, in an ideal scenario I'd have preferred to see Christian get a chance to prove himself as a worthy champion; and with the likes of Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Cody Rhodes and even Mark Henry on the roster, I'm surprised that it seems Christian, or perhaps even Orton, will be turning heel. But having watched the show, I don't think this will be as bad for Christian as I did when I first read about it on Tuesday. Ultimately, this angle could give him the chance to cement himself as either the top face or the top heel in the company, maybe even more so than if he'd defended successfully against a few upper midcarders before losing the strap. As eayragt mentioned on the previous page, I feel there's more potential in the man who is bitter because his career defining moment was ruined than the man who won the title in memory of his outgoing best friend.</p><p> </p><p>

Or maybe I'm too much of an optimist.</p>

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Totally off topic, but in July I'm driving almost 5 hours to Indianapolis just to meet DDP and Roddy Piper at the Days of the Dead horror convention. Excited? HECK YEAH!! Totally going to fanboy out over Page</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And you're not going to over Piper? <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BurningHamster" data-cite="BurningHamster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And you're not going to over Piper? <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I grew up on Page in WCW. Piper was there yeah, but I missed his prime. I LOVE Piper, don't get me wrong, but Page is a childhood hero.</p>

[Unregistered]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Totally off topic, but in July I'm driving almost 5 hours to Indianapolis just to meet DDP and Roddy Piper at the Days of the Dead horror convention. Excited? HECK YEAH!! Totally going to fanboy out over Page</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And now I'm thinking of Piper in a Zombie movie. They live was amazing, so Piper in a Romero film.... zomg. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Unregistered" data-cite="Unregistered" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And now I'm thinking of Piper in a Zombie movie. They live was amazing, so Piper in a Romero film.... zomg. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Man that would be pretty amazing. I dare say even amazing enough for me to look past how horribly overplayed zombies are at the moment and make me watch it. Roddy Piper is a damn underrated actor. They Live .... man, love that movie.</p>

[masterded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Unregistered" data-cite="Unregistered" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And now I'm thinking of Piper in a Zombie movie. They live was amazing, so Piper in a Romero film.... zomg. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I love Romero. Dawn of the Dead has been one of my 2 favorite movies for 18 years now, but his last 2 zombie movies sucked. How the man who made a film as intelligent as Dawn made a film as dumb as Survival is still beyond me.</p><p> </p><p> They Live still has the greatest fight scene of all time. Made even better as it is all about putting on a pair of sunglasses.</p>

[Basmat01]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The reasons why WWE's pushes have not been up to par (and that includes John Cena), is because they don't have enough patience to slow-build anyone. Only ADR and the Miz have been pushed well. Every time they pushed anyone they believe in, it's always moon-pushes. On the flip side, when a wrestler "catches fire", they don't even capitalized on their momentum. <p> </p><p> People with sudden momentum need to pushed harder, people who don't need to be pushed slower. It's a simple thing that the WWE had done in the past. But apparently, their current booking team doesn't have any clue about this.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I thought Batista's turn/push out of Evolution was one of the best the WWE had done in the last 10 years. And I dont think it was rushed at all they dropped a few hints every now a then for months leading up to the Royal Rumble</p>

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Basmat01" data-cite="Basmat01" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I thought Batista's turn/push out of Evolution was one of the best the WWE had done in the last 10 years. And I dont think it was rushed at all they dropped a few hints every now a then for months leading up to the Royal Rumble</div></blockquote><p> One example doesn't erase the millions they've done wrong, ESPECIALLY since Batista's push.</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>One example doesn't erase the millions they've done wrong, ESPECIALLY since Batista's push.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree, as I've already pointed out the two example's that really got under my skin, of not catching someone when they were hot.</p><p> </p><p> However, I also can't see half the potential other's think they see on the roster in the last several years. There are a few that I thought screamed "Main Event" from the start. Alberto Del Rio is one example. He come out to the ring, and there was no doubt in my mind he's Main Event. </p><p> </p><p> Most of the people they build, to me... Seems like just a way to get everyone to know them, not to actually push them into the main event. Sure, they will be there momentarily, but they aren't going to stay there, as it's obvious (at least to me) that they shouldn't be there.</p><p> </p><p> This isn't EVERYONE... I mean, Kennedy could have floated up and down (that's how I seen him), and MVP could have easily been a Mainstay in some capacity. I mean, he passed all the right tests on it.</p>

[ampulator]

<p>To me, it's not about Main Event potential, as much as WWE using them to their MAXIMUM potential. It's because they have "plans", but their actual "planning" skills are poor. Plans aren't that important... real life events can drasticaly make any plan pointless. It's the PLANNING that matters-if you have some prepared already, maybe you can alter it to fit real life events. WWE's ability to improvise has gone drastically since the 90's, though.</p><p> </p><p>

The best case is Drew McIntyre. Their plans for him failed. They tried to moon-push him, and he either got X-Pac Heat, or even worse, the Code of Silence. After a while, his stock went down, in no large BECAUSE of the WWE's push, not despite of it. And I'm not McIntyre fan, but anything that went wrong, it's on WWE's shoulder's, not McIntyre's. But during that... PPV I can't seem to recall now... Elimination Chamber, he suddent became hot. due to his actions within that match. What did the WWE do with that momentum? Absolutely nothing. </p><p> </p><p>

This happened to Kofi Kingston, Mark Henry, MVP, Evan Bourne... heck, I might as well know the whole WWE midcard. When they are hot, they refuse to push them due to "plans". And when they have "plans" for them, their momentum is already gone.</p>

[Fantabulous]

Kofi was super over in MSG when he put Orton through the table. They had something with him at that moment because the feud with Orton was going great guns and he was really getting over. Then they dropped the ball and Kofi sank back to the midcard.

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Kofi was super over in MSG when he put Orton through the table. They had something with him at that moment because the feud with Orton was going great guns and he was really getting over. Then they dropped the ball and Kofi sank back to the midcard.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> True, but lets put some of the blame where it belongs, and thats squarley on Kofi.</p><p> </p><p> I mean, he gave like three back to back awful promo's (worst was right before that match) and became a botch machine during the end of that fued.</p><p> </p><p> I agree they could have salvaged his push a bit better, but kofi dropped the ball on his end a bit too.</p>

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>True, but lets put some of the blame where it belongs, and thats squarley on Kofi.<p> </p><p> I mean, he gave like three back to back awful promo's (worst was right before that match) and became a botch machine during the end of that fued.</p><p> </p><p> I agree they could have salvaged his push a bit better, but kofi dropped the ball on his end a bit too.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think I remember Kofi having one match that was good, but cannot remember when, where or why. Everything else he has ever done has been horrible and I think wrestling fans have some sort of weird fetish with his hairstyle or something as I cannot understand how else he would get even slightly over with his complete lack of ability. I wouldn't go so far as to say Kofi dropped the ball, I don't even think he's realized there is a ball yet let alone gotten near it.</p><p> </p><p> And yes, I know half of the time I post in the WWE discussion thread is just to diss Kofi. He deserves it though for being so lousy.</p>

[supershot]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mr Rager" data-cite="Mr Rager" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I feel there's more potential in the man who is bitter because his career defining moment was ruined than the man who won the title in memory of his outgoing best friend.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It worked out for Rey. But I definitely agree with you.</p>