The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Lexa90]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can't we just all agree that both Bret and Shawn are jerks in their own right and move on?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree. No one wants read 20 pages of people arguing who's more of a jerk again lol <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Teh_Showtime]

I think Booker would be 5x better (pun intended) if he was working with JR or Striker or even Mathews without Cole.

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SaySo" data-cite="SaySo" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>On topic and dirt sheet material:<p> </p><p> Credit: PWTorch</p><p> </p><p> Booker T says his in-ring days are not over and to "stay tuned" on a possible return to the ring. Booker, who wrestled Jack Swagger on Raw TV two months ago in an unhyped singles match, tweeted on Wednesday: "Q. Why am I not wrestling now. I feel great, I still train daily I'm going to finish it, so just stay tuned." Booker also picked up where RVD left off in TNA claiming the Young Bucks (Generation Me in TNA) disrespected him at TV this week. Read Booker's tweets at Twitter.com/BookerT5x.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When I heard about Nash returning to feud with Punk, I was thinking "why not use Booker as well then? At least he can still go a bit in the ring".</p><p> </p><p> And him bashing the Young Bucks a couple of weeks after they had a WWE tryout, even going as far as saying that a Harlem Heat reunion vs. the YB would be awesome... well, maybe they have stuff planned.</p>

[VTial]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think Booker would be 5x better (pun intended) if he was working with JR or Striker or even Mathews without Cole.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Better but more boring. Booker doesn't bring anything good to the table and Matthews/Striker even JR don't help their partners and often talk to themselves.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can't we just all agree that both Bret and Shawn are jerks in their own right and move on?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If this were Shawn and some other person you wouldn't be saying that.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can't we just all agree that both Bret and Shawn are jerks in their own right and move on?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I can't agree with this.</p><p> </p><p> What basis do you have to call them jerks?</p><p> </p><p> I met Bret when I was younger. Awesome guy. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Lexa90" data-cite="Lexa90" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree. No one wants read 20 pages of people arguing who's more of a jerk again lol <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why not? It's fun to read about fights. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Booker could be good. Matthews is boring tbh.</p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="VTial" data-cite="VTial" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If this were Shawn and some other person you wouldn't be saying that.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Uhm that would depend on which person that would be. Mother Theresa, for example, I would probably not say that about. What's your point with this? You really want to open up yet another dicussion on Shawn's attitude mere weeks after we had a several pages long discussion on that very subject? For what purpose exactly?</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

As long as moves are getting called, Im a happy person. It makes me sick that CM Punk "submitted" Taker to the Anaconda Vice, but they don't call it by name. They can get people over by selling moves.

[Lexa90]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As long as moves are getting called, Im a happy person. It makes me sick that CM Punk "submitted" Taker to the Anaconda Vice, but they don't call it by name. They can get people over by selling moves.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You mean like when they do this? "Oh my God there's THAT submission move again. Yes very dangerous move indeed...." And so on <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I can't agree with this.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fair enough.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What basis do you have to call them jerks?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're kidding me, right? Have you ever watched a non-scripted interiew with either? Ever watched a documentary featuring either? Ever read or heard anything said about them by other wrestlers?</p>

[Fantabulous]

<p>Shawn and Bret were different kinds of jerks; Shawn was a jerk to his co-workers while Bret was a jerk to his wife. No question, though, that Bret was the more personable of the two, pre-conversion. </p><p> </p><p>

I like my announcers to call the moves, explain strategy, and get over the guys in the ring. Cole excels at all but three of those things.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You're kidding me, right? Have you ever watched a non-scripted interiew with either? Ever watched a documentary featuring either? Ever read or heard anything said about them by other wrestlers?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not at all. Any given person can be called a jerk. Yes Michaels was arrogant. It's who he was. Bret was abusive to his wife for years, but there are three sides to each story. Shawn was pretty ****y. No getting passed that, but that's what brought him to the ring.</p><p> </p><p> Bret you can't be 100% sure what he did was one sided. Coming from a female point of view, no man should ever treat his wife wrong, but the realist in me has to ask, what her part was in it. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Shawn and Bret were different kinds of jerks; Shawn was a jerk to his co-workers while Bret was a jerk to his wife. No question, though, that Bret was the more personable of the two, pre-conversion. <p> </p><p> I like my announcers to call the moves, explain strategy, and get over the guys in the ring. Cole excels at all but three of those things.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In other words you think Cole is crap.</p><p> </p><p> Idk why, but I've always liked him.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>Cole is decent in main events, but argues during the entire undercard.</p><p> </p><p>

Also, SD will be live Tuesday August 2nd. I didn't know that UFC would be going H2H with SD either. Interesting.</p>

[Fantabulous]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> Coming from a female point of view, no man should ever treat his wife wrong, but the realist in me has to ask, what her part was in it. <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> Staying at home to look after the kids?</p>

[JTandSilentBob]

<p>I like Booked T on commentary because he makes me laugh. </p><p> </p><p>

The other night I was trying to remember some WCW things and it popped in my head. Didn't Stevie Ray do commentary in wcw?</p><p> </p><p>

What if Stevie Ray and Booked T were the only commentary.</p><p> </p><p>

"awww yeah!" "sweet fruit booty."</p><p> </p><p>

I'm not sure anybody but their mother would understand what is happening in the match. It's got to be hell on Sharmell when she goes to Harlem Heat family reunion.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

I remember when Jericho beat Stevie Ray for the TV title. I like Booker though he would probably be a much better GM.

[Fantabulous]

<p>Well, if we're posting stuff from news sites now:</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Credit:</strong> PWI</p><p> </p><p>

Kevin Nash is expected at Raw this Monday and will be a regular character going forward on WWE TV. Nash will be doing a program with CM Punk and for those wondering, yes, the plan is for the two to meet in the ring. The idea behind the program was to give Punk a major name to work with that would put him over. Personally, I don't see how working with Nash would get him over more than the John Cena bouts had been doing, but that's just me.</p><p> </p><p>

The backstage reaction to the Punk-Nash back and forth Monday was that Punk got the better of Nash and that Nash's comebacks came off too inside and antiquated in comparison. Nash did not receive a big reaction coming out on Raw and the feeling after the taping was that the company needed to do a stronger job of explaining to the current generation of fans who he was. Initially, that was not a concern due to the big pop he received at the Royal Rumble.</p><p> </p><p>

WWE instructed Nash to dye his hair black for his appearances, although it may have already been dyed for his recent role in "Rock of Ages" where he plays a bodyguard to the Tom Cruise character "Stacee Jaxx." TNA had tried numerous times to get Nash to dye his hair during his run there but Nash would often convince officials otherwise, something that was a minor frustration among certain people in that company.</p><p> </p><p>

Nash, meanwhile, was able to slip a final shot in on TNA during the Raw back and forth with Punk. When Nash stated that Punk looked like a short order cook in a "Pikeville Waffle House", it was a shot at one of TNA's best house show markets, Pikeville, Kentucky. Nash was very verbal during his TNA run that he hated the company's house shows and was never a happy camper when he was booked on them.</p>

[bigtplaystew]

Yep. Pretty much what everyone's been saying.

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Staying at home to look after the kids?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You don't know what goes on behind closed doors, you don't know what wasn't made public.</p>

[bookerman]

<p>Going back to Cena holding the title for a while. WWE is typically a face based company (Hogan, Cena, Bruno, Backlund, Bret, Austin) while WCW/NWA was mainly heel based (Flair, NWO). Memphis was also face based with Lawler. Mantel talks about on a podcast how bringing in a new heel, they knew he had a run of 8-12 months with the heel working his way up to fighting Lawler and once he was defeated, he would go somewhere else. WWE has done a poor job of building up credible threats to Cena with the start/stop pushing of Swagger and others. They've also not built up the face ranks well with only Kofi and Rey being the ones that haven't flip flopped back and forth. Del Rio was hotter 3-4 months ago than he is now with the belt. Some of that is due to Edge getting hurt. However, I'm not sure he's been built up enough as a Main Event talent that everyone sees him as a legit champ.</p><p> </p><p>

Honestly, I'd rather see them give ADR vs Punk a few months of run with Cena trying to work his way back into the title picture (he's 0-2 vs Punk) and settle things with HHH.</p>

[VTial]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Uhm that would depend on which person that would be. Mother Theresa, for example, I would probably not say that about. What's your point with this? You really want to open up yet another dicussion on Shawn's attitude mere weeks after we had a several pages long discussion on that very subject? For what purpose exactly?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My only point is what I said previously. Neutrality (or equality) seems to be something that follows Bret around throughout the perception of the IWC but others have a pass.</p><p> </p><p> It could be someone else other than HBK, everyone gets a free pass except Bret. There can't be a discussion where he is just the consensus good in a situation. </p><p> </p><p> That's just my observation anyway. I've never really been interested in these arguments as I find them to often stray towards an irrelevant point. I just think it should either be ignored or addressed. No need to always lump Bret with the other guys to stop any arguments.</p>

[Lexa90]

I don't know why, but when Triple H mentioned that Nash would be on RAW, it got a pretty nice pop. But when he came to the ring, the pop was gone... <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[VTial]

<p>Well if we're just throwing out theories, I think Nash not only seemed slower more so than usual but he lacked both the energy and his decent mic talk for the first time seem mumbled. It didn't hurt that the whole thing was confusing.</p><p> </p><p>

Even I kind of lost it with the whole comeback of Punk stating why Nash has problems with Waffle houses. I thought the feud seemed straight forward at first but Nash out there on the ring alone with body guards protecting him, you have to admit that's not the usual way they build up feuds. </p><p> </p><p>

For one, Nash is a big man. Punk is a little guy. Nash had just power bombed Punk and now he's rambling about cellphone texts. Punk came out and now he has no problem with the championship belt. Kind of hard to pop over that. The feud killed the original feud even though this is supposed to be a continuation of it.</p>

[Hive]

You don't know what goes on behind closed doors, you don't know what wasn't made public.

 

I personally have a hard time imagining anything his wife could have done to make her deserve the treatment he gave her.

 

My only point is what I said previously. Neutrality (or equality) seems to be something that follows Bret around throughout the perception of the IWC but others have a pass.

 

It could be someone else other than HBK, everyone gets a free pass except Bret. There can't be a discussion where he is just the consensus good in a situation.

 

That's just my observation anyway. I've never really been interested in these arguments as I find them to often stray towards an irrelevant point. I just think it should either be ignored or addressed. No need to always lump Bret with the other guys to stop any arguments.

 

I still don't understand your point at all or why you decided to address me.

[VTial]

Never mind then. I thought it was clear from my last few posts. Why move on while ruining a person that's generally good. Just because there's no resolution doesn't mean the ok thing to do is to consider both parties being talked about as jerks.

[moon_lit_tears]

I personally have a hard time imagining anything his wife could have done to make her deserve the treatment he gave her.

 

There are things.

 

She could have cheated.

She could have been violent. That may make you laugh, but it's true. There are women who will get physically violent with men, and expect to not be hit. Not saying it's right but it's there.

 

I'm not saying she did anything, my point is we don't know the details. We don't know what went on in their home.