Rickymex Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Someone should tell PGH because he sounds PISSED lol<p> </p><p> Seriously, man, whats with the aggression? Calm down. I'm expressing my views with at least a slight possibility I'm wrong. Can't you calm down a bit and maybe at least treat people with a slight modicum of respect?</p></div></blockquote><p> He's on the juice...THE PGHJUICE!!!ohhhh!!!</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/30700000/regular-show-regular-show-30787432-500-281.gif</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 <p>I would also like to say this:</p><p> </p><p> "It's still real to me, damnit!"</p><p> </p><p> I'm a huge Punk fan maybe my brain simply doesn't want to accept that he's gone? OK??</p><p> </p><p> ::cries::</p><p> </p><p> I just want to thank you, Mister Punk, for saying what needed to be said.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 It's a work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jesterx7769" data-cite="jesterx7769" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's a work.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The problem is much like the Daniel Bryan storyline in your world where its all a work EVERYTHING is a part of the story. He works ROH? Its part of the story, he works NJPW for 11 years and retires it was all part of the story. </p><p> </p><p> Again who are they working? No mention of it on television for an entire week. No mention of it on WWE.com. You guys honestly believe that they are working the what 5, 10 percent of the audience that reads and pays attention to the things we do? And even then what is their end game? "Time off" right before Wrestlemania? How does that make sense. For a "wrestlemania feud" with who? About what? No one has even said why he went home much less what feud this would be starting or furthering. </p><p> </p><p> Again when in the HISTORY of pro wrestling has a guy quit/got fired, there be no mention of it on a website or on the shows, its only reported on the dirt sheets and it turn out to be a work? The answer is a grand total of zero. </p><p> </p><p> I'm still completely baffled by this whole "its a work" thing. There is zero evidence that this is a work. Its almost like guys are afraid of BEING worked so they jump out ahead of it by calling it a work. Its like my beloved Cardinals being down by four in the ninth. I say "its over we can't come back from that" but I don't BELIEVE that I believe that its over and we can't come back but I want to be able to be the guy that said "ah ha I told you I was right". I kind of feel thats what this is. Its like walking into a murder scene, looking around for five minutes and then saying "the butler did it". You have no evidence, no idea or comprehension of the situation but it sounds like something smart to say so you say it. </p><p> </p><p> I mean has anyone compiled a good reason why they believe this is a work? Or has anyone given an example of any time in history that the WWE has done this? When Vince Russo books nods to the smark crowd with his "shooty" promos he gets ripped on saying "90 percent of your audience has no idea what you're talking about so why are you doing that" however when something like this happens that same group of people all of the sudden believe that the WWE is so invested in their 10 percent that they're going to run an angle so obscure, so hidden, that they don't mention it ANYWHERE and only "leak" it to the ten percent of people that care what CM Punk had for lunch the other day. It makes no sense. Again what is the pay off? That Punk comes back and 90 percent of the audience goes "oh hey theres that guy that dissapeared after Kane attacked him at the Rumble". </p><p> </p><p> Its like we're picking and choosing when the so called "dirtsheets" are worthless and in on the work (CM Punk, Daneil Bryan necktiegate, Montreal) and when they are Gods own gospel (The Evil McMahons, the con artist Triple H, the politician Hulk Hogan). </p><p> </p><p> The dirtsheets are just like RAW. Everyone says "thats it I'm done with RAW" only to complain about it the next week. Same thing with the "dirtsheets" everyone says "they're always wrong, they don't know anything" until the next reported signing of Sting or burial of Daniel Bryan then its "omgz the Observer just said Triple H is making Daniel Bryan do his laundry".</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayW Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 <p>Well this whole CM Punk thing has certainly got people talking. Do you know what I think? He went in to Vince and said "I'm beat up, I'm going home." And Vince said "Ok fella x". CM Punk went on his way, and...</p><p> </p><p> He'll be on Raw next week.</p><p> </p><p> Dirt sheets have about as much merit as the messages you get in a fortune cookie. Except I'm more likely to believe a fortune cookie.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: I think we are inadvertently being worked by the dirt sheets with this misinformation.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 <p>Remember the wise words of the late, great Captain Lou Albano. There are only two things real in the business: the money, and the miles. (Well, three if you count the injuries)</p><p> </p><p> And remember the funny words of Kevin Nash. He loves it when people say "That was the WORST PPV I have ever seen and won't buy another one until next month!" <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Hopefully everyone sees I'm just trying to have a sense of humor about all this. If nothing else, it's given me a good idea for a WWE save with Fleisch's latest real world update. ^_^</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 <p>Stennick's not the only one who can produce a wall of text reiterating his points over and over again! <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Check out my blog post on CM Punk's situation: </p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://totaltalk.comxa.com/2014/01/29/say-it-aint-so-punk/" rel="external nofollow">http://totaltalk.comxa.com/2014/01/29/say-it-aint-so-punk/</a></p><p> </p><p> I kid, Stennick, because I love.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 <p>No mention of it on TV shows?</p><p> </p><p> Sorry but you clearly don't understand buzz and marketing Stennick. It doesn't have to be on WWE.com to make it planned. This is 2013, the day and ago of internet and social media.</p><p> </p><p> The story is on TMZ, yahoo, MSN, have all picked it up. That means it is generating HUGE buzz. WWE hardcore fans are googling like crazy trying to find out what is going on, casual fans who may not really watch are seeing it all over. People think wrestling is 100% scripted and fake so how do you sell to them that its not?</p><p> </p><p> The payoff? The payoff is getting people to tune in and making $. It has only been a few days, you are making it seem like WWE has not acknowledged in months. All it takes to 100% turn it into a work is for WWE's teaser to be "Tune in to find out why CM Punk Went home" or Kane to go on Monday and call him out for running away like a baby.</p><p> </p><p> ta da.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hey if it wasn't a work at all... you bet your ass Vince is taking a look at the social media coverage and at the very least making a strong bid to get that man back on WWE TV ASAP lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey if it wasn't a work at all... you bet your ass Vince is taking a look at the social media coverage and at the very least making a strong bid to get that man back on WWE TV ASAP lol</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That is my point. I'm not saying there is no way in heck CM Punk is upset, but I would be more 1000% shocked if CM Punk is never on WWE TV again, so to completely write off that notion in the world of wrestling is so laughable. Maybe through all the re writing they really did just leave him off? Once again this is only 3 days later, were not talking a month.</p><p> </p><p> BREAKING UPDATED NEWS: WWE HAS STOPPED FOLLOWING CM PUNK ON TWITTER OH NO! It must be for real now <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Punk mentioned in a recent interview he could potentially try his hand at MMA training. This makes the Comic Convention dream match of CM Punk vs Jason David Frank even more likely. Someone make this happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 <p>I think you're over estimating how big of a deal this is outside of the internet fanbase. I'm not saying there is no way he comes back I'm sure at some point he'll be back. If Bret Hart can come back, if Warrior can come back anybody can come back (not you Randy Savage). </p><p> </p><p> All I'm saying is he did get pissed, he did go home and I would bet my account here that we don't see CM Punk again before after Wrestlemania at the earliest. But this isn't Vince saying "lets send this guy home so we can generate a huge buzz with the five percent of people who give a damn". </p><p> </p><p> I'm not saying they can't turn this into an angle I'm just saying that by work I take that as you saying "this was all pre planned" and not "lets turn something that happened into something on air". That happens constantly and has been happening constantly since forever. So if by work you're saying "he might come back someday" or "they might turn this into something if he returns" sure but its not "they all got in a room and decided....this is whats best for business".</p><p> </p><p> Actually its funny you should mention I don't know marketing since I have an MS in Marketing and Communication and I work at a marketing and advertising firm that deals directly with a local television station. The internet is not where you START your maketing its where you supplement your marketing. Wouldn't this get TWICE as many people interested if they did this exact same thing on television? The Pipe Bomb part 2? Why have this take place on the internet where nobody is even talking about this. Punk isn't tweeting about this, the WWE aren't making any statement on it. As far as the casual fans know nothing has changed. His name is still on the Superstar's page. If they are trying to market CM Punk leaving the copmany because of the authority this would be the worst way of doing it since you know what FIVE percent of us even know he's "left" or whatever you want to call it. </p><p> </p><p> I still think its a real possibility he goes home cooler heads prevail and he comes back for a giant WM payoff of some sorts. However I would bet my account here that what happened that night really happened and it wasn't just some horrible marketing ploy by the WWE to get five percent of the fan base riled up. I mean why even do that? They're already going nuts over the DB thing and hijacking shows left and right. Why would you then let it leak that the smark crowds number 2 guy is now gone as well. Right before the biggest show of the year? Seriously if this is a work (its not) then whoever came up with the idea to use this as a marketing ploy should be fired. </p><p> </p><p> "The fan base is already pissed and hijacking our shows and hating what we're giving them (Orton/Batsita) so lets make them MORE angry so they can crap on what we're giving them (Orton/Batsita) MORE because thats what we want is 70'000 Yes chants, we want Punk chants, and you guys suck chants going on at the main event of Wrestlemania 30 (Orton/Batista).</p><p> </p><p> Its fun to put on our casual fan hats and start fantasy booking this into some edgy, fresh, never before seen storyline that takes advantage of new media but its not going to happen. Remember when the Summer of Punk was going to issue in a new attitude era? Or make Punk the next Austin? When instead we got R Truth and The Miz in a tag team main event against Triple H/Punk, while Kevin Nash texts himself. Its great to want to believe they can put something like this together but at no time in the last 13 years have they been capable of something this interesting and I don't see them waking up one day and changing that. </p><p> </p><p> Everyone can hope this is an elaborate storyline thats going to re elevate Punk to an interesting level and break the fourth wall like never before in pro wrestling, like they can hope that Bastista isn't going to be the "guy" for the next six months and that Daniel Bryan is going to become the number one babyface but if there is one thing the WWE is good at its crushing our hopes.</p><p> </p><p> AJ Styles vs. CM Punk coming to a Ring of Honor this October!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Punk would never go back to ROH anyways. That's almost as likely as him going to TNA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Why wouldn't he go back to ROH is there an issue or something? I'm not saying full time but he wouldn't go off for a big feud or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 <p>Stennick as I said ROH can't pay him what he's worth. They simply dont have it. At least right now.</p><p> </p><p> Should the company grow a pair and decide maybe to step up and put on a big arena show and they pay him a one time fee for a one time appearance... it's possible but remotely. That would be a situation where ROH can't sell out an arena without Punk and Punk won't do it without the money. So those two issues are codependent. And far fetched. Albeit possible. </p><p> </p><p> But as it stands ROH doesn't pull in the kind of money needed to pay Punk anywhere near what he's been making with WWE. He might take a pay cut but you're talking a rumored slary of upwards of 2 mil and going down to five figures. And ROH can't include the perks he's used to like catering, healthcare, etc. I also don't think this is a case where a dude's super passionate about wrestling at this point in 2014 like AJ still is. Also, what AJ was making in TNA is a slim pittance compared to a top WWE guy like Punk who renegotiated his contract a couple years ago as a top guy and was granted first class traveling accommodations. </p><p> </p><p> I think Punk's beaten up myself and most likely looking to do things that won't hurt his body.. if he's truly leaving WWE at all. I dont see him risking himself for the relatively small amount of money ROH would be able to offer. </p><p> </p><p> Hey, I dont pretend to know what these entertainers are thinking all I can do is put 2 and 2 together like the rest of you. I simply find it hard to believe Punk feels WWE mistreats him yet he goes to ROH to make a few grand a show. I mean that's kind of ridiculous if you think about it.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I really would see it being more of a labor of love and a return "home" than getting paid what he's worth. I was thinking a one time show or something of that nature with higher ticket prices would still sell out if he's really gone. Or he does an autograph signing and he gets all the profits from that or something of that nature. I don't expect him to do any sort of long program but a one off match seems feasible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 You know what? It's pro wrestling weirder things have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RayW" data-cite="RayW" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is exactly why I don't read dirt sheets. They usually result in something like this:<p> </p><p> "At this stage the plans are for Daniel Bryan to win the title at (Event Name), but those plans may change."</p><p> </p><p> "The plan is for Shemus to return at (Event Name), but those plans may be out on hold."</p><p> </p><p> "It looks like the plans for WrestleMania are for The Undertaker to face Brock Lesnar, although this may change as John Cena's name has also been mentioned."</p><p> </p><p> "It looks like CM Punk has walked out on WWE as off this morning, although this situation may be resolved soon."</p><p> </p><p> Do you see the pattern in their commitment to not commit? They basically make a living out of telling you what you already assume.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My sentiments exactly, 100%.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 ROH is owned by Sinclair so I don't think money is much of an issue if the higher up believe Punk is worth the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 <p>ROH probably isnt breaking the bank with AJ Styles but Im willing to bet he's comfortably their highest paid wrestler ever.</p><p> </p><p> Punk would probably demand 2 or 3 times what AJ is getting at least if he's going to do anything more than a one off.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 <p>Im kinda over Punk on WWE TV but I would watch ROH more often if he and AJ both stayed there a while.</p><p> </p><p> I doubt that this is real. Im calling it a work until Punk speaks out on Twitter or something. Even if he really left then I doubt it'll be for long. If Triple H can talk Bruno and Warrior back into the WWE then Punk should be no problem, especially if all hes looking for is a WM main event.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>ROH probably isnt breaking the bank with AJ Styles but Im willing to bet he's comfortably their highest paid wrestler ever.<p> </p><p> Punk would probably demand 2 or 3 times what AJ is getting at least if he's going to do anything more than a one off.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Two or three times? Try adding a zero, dude.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/1219/568471/more-on-aj-styles-speculation/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/1219/568471/more-on-aj-styles-speculation/</a></p><p> </p><p> One of everyones precious dirt sheets reports that AJ turned down $200,000 from TNA. I'll humor you and say ROH matched that (which they almost certainly can't, especially since from what I understand he's on a pay-by-appearance contract).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Punk's net worth is $7.5 lol</p><p> <a href="http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/wrestlers/cm-punk-net-worth/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/wrestlers/cm-punk-net-worth/</a></p><p> </p><p> This site has him making $1.7 million plus first class travel and accommodations</p><p> <a href="http://whatculture.com/wwe/wwe-10-wrestlers-salaries-wont-believe.php/9" rel="external nofollow">http://whatculture.com/wwe/wwe-10-wrestlers-salaries-wont-believe.php/9</a></p><p> </p><p> The thing is Sinclair is already supposedly losing money on ROH at this current point. I don't think they planned on making a bunch of money for the first couple of years, but if you think they're going anywhere near $2 million a year for ANYONE... </p><p> </p><p> And you guys had the stones to make fun of me for thinking this was a work???</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We ended on a good note in agreeance but I wouldn't be me if I didn't point out the irony of you saying "we get it you don't like Punk" after I said I would enjoy him not being on my TV. Take that feeling when you wrote it and apply it to everytime you say similar things about Cena "We get it you don't like Cena". Not trying to argue it was just funny/ironic that you were on the other side of the eye roll this time. Although I will say that I didn't think I've said anything about not liking Punk but twice. Have I mentioned how overjoyed I am that he's gone though? <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh yeah you did. Sadly i like the guy. But he will eventually go back.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 <p>I'll buy the possibility that I said before he might show up for a one time thing as a "thank you" to hardcore wrestling fans. Maybe. In a perfect world. But he will NOT be there full time. I promise. I'd be more than happy to make a friendly wager with any of you who think CM Punk will be a full time ROH member within the year. Seriously.</p><p> </p><p> We can't bet money because it's illegal of course but perhaps an embarassing signature or something? I don't know. I am 100% certain that CM Punk is not going to be a full time ROH worker anytime in 2014. Not going to happen. The money doesn't make sense, nor does it make sense logically. Supposedly the guy's leaving because he's unhappy with his WWE spot. He's knocking on the door of being a top guy for WWE you honestly think he's going to work an indy fed? AJ Styles was working arenas selling MAYBE a few thousand seats per show for TNA. I was at their show in philly and they sold less than 2,000 seats at the Liacorus Center. His situation and Punk's aren't really comparable from a business standpoint. Punk's not going from selling tens of thousands of seats to working a god damned armory in Maryland lol. comeon guys.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Two or three times? Try adding a zero, dude.<p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/1219/568471/more-on-aj-styles-speculation/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2013/1219/568471/more-on-aj-styles-speculation/</a></p><p> </p><p> One of everyones precious dirt sheets reports that AJ turned down $200,000 from TNA. I'll humor you and say ROH matched that (which they almost certainly can't, especially since from what I understand he's on a pay-by-appearance contract).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Punk's net worth is $7.5 lol</p><p> <a href="http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/wrestlers/cm-punk-net-worth/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/wrestlers/cm-punk-net-worth/</a></p><p> </p><p> This site has him making $1.7 million plus first class travel and accommodations</p><p> <a href="http://whatculture.com/wwe/wwe-10-wrestlers-salaries-wont-believe.php/9" rel="external nofollow">http://whatculture.com/wwe/wwe-10-wrestlers-salaries-wont-believe.php/9</a></p><p> </p><p> The thing is Sinclair is already supposedly losing money on ROH at this current point. I don't think they planned on making a bunch of money for the first couple of years, but if you think they're going anywhere near $2 million a year for ANYONE... </p><p> </p><p> And you guys had the stones to make fun of me for thinking this was a work???</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> On AJ yeah they aren't exactly matching his TNA salary but he can also work tons of other indy dates on top of getting a comfortable ROH payday. On these other indy shows he is also pretty much guaranteed to get the biggest payday. He also talks about it in his highspots shoot how you dont always report all of your indy earnings on your taxes which is also a break.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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