The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[LordJaguar]

Both me and my son flipped out when Cesaro lifted the Big Show!

[Lucas]

<p>I was predicting a swerve tonight but not to the Streak.</p><p> </p><p>

Was in shock at the time but in the end really doesn't matter. Streak match itself wasn't too bad I thought, it was a slow build but the commentary didn't help. </p><p> </p><p>

It definitely subdued the feeling of Bryan winning, but RAW will be massive tomorrow. Expecting Rusev to break out, and Bryan to feud with Brock I reckon. Don't think Bryan will hold the belt for long, month or two at most.</p><p> </p><p>

Tonight's opening was simply amazing, and I thought Streak apart, booking was spot on. Wanted Bray to win but feeling from the PPV wouldn't be the same if it was all so predictable. Felt sorry for the Divas and especially with AJ winning as I think her reign is hurting the division now. But considering what went before that it really went under the radar. </p><p> </p><p>

Also - props to WWE for keeping the Network alive. I was a few seconds behind I think tonight but had no glitches whatsoever.</p><p> </p><p>

A Grade Show for me, WWE have won my interest back (for good I think) after been away about 9 years coming back in December <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[delv213]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What good comes from him winning?<p> </p><p> Brock is old and washed up. He won't come back full time. There are younger BETTER guys who could have been given a push, but again WWE has talent they don't want to push.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Brock is old and washed up lol? Brock's 36 years old lol, he's the same age as John Cena who finally started having decent matches around 3-4 years ago. Do you know how many of the past wrestling stars that had their best drawing years outside of the 20's? A ridiculous amount. 30-40's is the prime drawing years in Pro-Wrestling. Hogan,Austin,Bruno,Warrior,Shawn Michaels,Bret Hart,Sting,Flair, Triple H, Batista, even the Rock is considered a bigger draw in his 40's then he ever was in his 20's. There's very few fans that buy into wrestlers in their 20's. Brock didn't draw well in his 20's, Orton never really drew, Cena was 27 when he won his first title and most people rejected him as the guy as soon as the first 5 months into his title reign. Name me one guy outside of The Rock that drew under the age of 30? David Von Erich might be the only one and he died too soon to actually make an impact on the business. His brothers weren't really draws, David's death left the other Von Erich's left to carry the promotion which was never the same after his death.</p><p> </p><p> Brock could easily wrestle for 5-6 years. He might also be the best legit real heavyweight wrestler of all time, at least talent wise. With Heyman, he has the best mouthpiece in the business. Really, he has no flaws while having Heyman at his side.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Brock is old and washed up lol? Brock's 36 years old lol, he's the same age as John Cena who finally started having decent matches around 3-4 years ago. Do you know how many of the past wrestling stars that had their best drawing years outside of the 20's? A ridiculous amount. 30-40's is the prime drawing years in Pro-Wrestling. Hogan,Austin,Bruno,Warrior,Shawn Michaels,Bret Hart,Sting,Flair, Triple H, Batista, even the Rock is considered a bigger draw in his 40's then he ever was in his 20's. There's very few fans that buy into wrestlers in their 20's. Brock didn't draw well in his 20's, Orton never really drew, Cena was 27 when he won his first title and most people rejected him as the guy as soon as the first 5 months into his title reign. Name me one guy outside of The Rock that drew under the age of 30? David Von Erich might be the only one and he died too soon to actually make an impact on the business. His brothers weren't really draws, David's death left the other Von Erich's left to carry the promotion which was never the same after his death.<p> </p><p> Brock could easily wrestle for 5-6 years. He might also be the best legit real heavyweight wrestler of all time, at least talent wise. With Heyman, he has the best mouthpiece in the business. Really, he has no flaws while having Heyman as his mouthpiece.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yep 5-6 years at a match or two a year because...Well what's he done lately?</p><p> </p><p> I hope he LOLz at the universe and quits.</p>

[Eisen-verse]

<p>I must say, I was certainly shocked by Lesnar beating Taker. The build-up was really poor for such a huge victory. I guess, what I'm saying is, I'm not annoyed that Lesnar broke it (as, honestly, not to sound like Madden but it's 'fake wrestling'), it's just that I would expected more of a lead-up; so, the win felt more powerful in nature. From here though, I really hope that the WWE & Lesnar have worked out something where he can be utilized more often. If Lesnar breaks the streak and then goes back to wrestling 2-3 matches a year, then I'm afraid it will feel a little bit of a let down. </p><p> </p><p>

That said, if Lesnar sticks around, shows his face more often, and possibly even comes away with the belt at some point (with a nice build-up) then I'd say it was well worth it. He's only 36. Honestly, if he really wanted to, he could go slightly more full-time (not totally but closer than what he did last year) and really be the centerpiece of the company as a whole. Will that happen? No idea.</p><p> </p><p>

For those who wanted someone like Reigns to 'break the streak', I just don't think he was ready. He's exciting, don't get me wrong, but he needs a lot of in-ring & character development to 'get there'. Honestly, I'd rather see a Reigns/Rock match before I would see a UT/Reigns match. </p><p> </p><p>

Is there anyone else who could have been a good choice to 'break the streak'? Honestly, no. I really like Bray Wyatt but it's, again, too early for a win like that. Sometimes, those 'big wins' can crush you more than it can 'make you'. There's a lot of pressure on your shoulders if you do something like 'break the streak'; some guys aren't cut out for that. As someone said in this thread, can't remember sorry, the last thing you wanted to do was break the streak with a guy who may fizzle out & never quite get there. We've seen WAY to many instances of that over the years.</p><p> </p><p>

All in all, I was shocked, yes, but Lesnar winning makes sense. Now, let's see what happens from here with Brock. That could be what really 'makes or breaks' this win for me (overall).</p>

[RKOwnage]

<p>Wyatt should've beaten 'Taker if I had to pick one guy, right now, this year. However, as some people have said it seems like it happened just at the right time. The match was dreadful in comparison to the last few, as I kind of figured it would be going into it. But hey, as a great man once said "Controversy Creates Cash," so we'll see if Bischoff's hypothesis rings true. </p><p> </p><p>

The Undertaker is a legend and will always be a legend, and if he wanted to pick up that loss like he offered in years past to Orton, Henry, Kane, and Punk, then so be it. The guy is pure class and if there's any man who deserves to decide when to end his career and if/when to end his streak, it's the freaking Undertaker.</p><p> </p><p>

In the end, it's professional wrestling. It's a booking decision and they chose to play this card with Brock Lesnar. Not the guy I personally would have chosen, but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how they run with it here.</p><p> </p><p>

Side question, anyone think that Heyman leading Brock over Taker after failing at WM29 is a bit of a slap in the face to Punk?</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yep 5-6 years at a match or two a year because...Well what's he done lately?<p> </p><p> I hope he LOLz at the universe and quits.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Does it matter if Lesnar ever wrestles another match?</p><p> </p><p> He could be booked to lose to hornswoggle Chavo Jr style for a year and still be the most credible man in wrestling history even before the win tonight. They told the story that they needed to tell because everyone could see Taker should hang up his legendary boots. The match with Brock was a long time coming, nobody knows how much worse he would have gotten by next year even if the plan would have been to put someone over him.</p>

[Jaysin]

I was definitely shocked Undertaker lost, but it just felt so anticlimatic to me. The match didn't keep me entertained at all. I didn't expect it to just be "blah". I just watched a match between Brad Armstrong and Bobby Eaton from WrestleWar 1991 that was more engaging. I'm not saying it was bad, but the only moment of the match that even got to me was the three count. The other 25 minutes were just there.

 

Triple H vs Daniel Bryan was the best of the night, followed by the triple threat. Orton really looked like a star in it and the post match celebration of Bryan just looked amazing.

 

I had really high hopes for Bray and Cena, but perhaps too high. Still, was a solid match.

 

I loved Cesaro winning the battle royal though.

[delv213]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eisen-verse" data-cite="Eisen-verse" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I must say, I was certainly shocked by Lesnar beating Taker. The build-up was really poor for such a huge victory. I guess, what I'm saying is, I'm not annoyed that Lesnar broke it (as, honestly, not to sound like Madden but it's 'fake wrestling'), it's just that I would expected more of a lead-up; so, the win felt more powerful in nature. From here though, I really hope that the WWE & Lesnar have worked out something where he can be utilized more often. If Lesnar breaks the streak and then goes back to wrestling 2-3 matches a year, then I'm afraid it will feel a little bit of a let down. <p> </p><p> That said, if Lesnar sticks around, shows his face more often, and possibly even comes away with the belt at some point (with a nice build-up) then I'd say it was well worth it. He's only 36. Honestly, if he really wanted to, he could go slightly more full-time (not totally but closer than what he did last year) and really be the centerpiece of the company as a whole. Will that happen? No idea.</p><p> </p><p> For those who wanted someone like Reigns to 'break the streak', I just don't think he was ready. He's exciting, don't get me wrong, but he needs a lot of in-ring & character development to 'get there'. Honestly, I'd rather see a Reigns/Rock match before I would see a UT/Reigns match. </p><p> </p><p> Is there anyone else who could have been a good choice to 'break the streak'? Honestly, no. I really like Bray Wyatt but it's, again, too early for a win like that. Sometimes, those 'big wins' can crush you more than it can 'make you'. There's a lot of pressure on your shoulders if you do something like 'break the streak'; some guys aren't cut out for that. As someone said in this thread, can't remember sorry, the last thing you wanted to do was break the streak with a guy who may fizzle out & never quite get there. We've seen WAY to many instances of that over the years.</p><p> </p><p> All in all, I was shocked, yes, but Lesnar winning makes sense. Now, let's see what happens from here with Brock. That could be what really 'makes or breaks' this win for me (overall).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I could see Brock working all the upcoming 12 PPV's this year, it's not like the guy can't, he just hates traveling. Apparently Heyman is suppose to introduce a new "Paul Heyman Guy" in the future according to him in a recent interview he did. This could be done so say Daniel Bryan, could continue his Brock Lesnar/Paul Heyman feud by facing off against Paul Heyman's client say Brodus Clay, as an example at House Shows/Other events when Brock's not appearing on them.</p><p> </p><p> I can't see Brock appearing on just 10-15 Raws this year after the gigantic push Vince/HHH just bestowed upon him by beating The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Something must've been worked out. Something like 20-25 Raw appearances this year sounds realistic for someone that hates traveling, it's not like Brock needs to be on any other shows after what he did tonight. He got the ultimate put over win.</p>

[BHK1978]

<p>I guess I never really got that invested in something that really was not supposed to happen in the first place (Plus it is fake). The streak was not really a steak until they started talking about it that way. Prior to that he just happened to win some matches in a row at their biggest event.</p><p> </p><p>

I really do not see what the big deal is and this will not drive away fans because the fans went home happy with a Daniel Bryan win. Shoot if ten years of bad television haven't driven fans away yet I am not sure what will.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Does it matter if Lesnar ever wrestles another match?<p> </p><p> He could be booked to lose to hornswoggle Chavo Jr style for a year and still be the most credible man in wrestling history even before the win tonight. They told the story that they needed to tell because everyone could see Taker should hang up his legendary boots. The match with Brock was a long time coming, nobody knows how much worse he would have gotten by next year even if the plan would have been to put someone over him.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So it's cool to end his career then make him lose to someone like Hornswaggle and it won't matter? LOL Stilliest thing I've seen in this thread ever I think.</p><p> </p><p> Having Undertakers streak ended and then put Brock over like that....Yep they'd turn WWE into a Cartoon Network reject.</p>

[Warhawk8492]

Brock Lesnar winning was Vince Russo booking. It has severely damaged my opinion of Brock Lesnar. I have gone from being a Brock Lesnar fan to a borderline hater. Maybe I am just angry but this is terrible booking.

[jbergey_2005]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Warhawk8492" data-cite="Warhawk8492" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Brock Lesnar winning was Vince Russo booking. It has severely damaged my opinion of Brock Lesnar. I have gone from being a Brock Lesnar fan to a borderline hater. Maybe I am just angry but this is terrible booking.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Umm what? Id say just the opposite of Russo booking. </p><p> </p><p> Lesnar is a former NCAA, WWE, and MMA champion. If anyone could break the streak it would be this guy. Taker has an old school mentality and it wouldnt surprise me if he chose Brock for this very reason.</p><p> </p><p> I can understand why the WWE sucks so bad right now. When they try to do anything surprising and unpredictable the fans crap all over it. And we blame the booking...</p><p> </p><p> Why does everything have to be so predictable for people? This is suppose to simulate a sport in which upsets happen.</p>

[delv213]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Warhawk8492" data-cite="Warhawk8492" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Brock Lesnar winning was Vince Russo booking. It has severely damaged my opinion of Brock Lesnar. I have gone from being a Brock Lesnar fan to a borderline hater. Maybe I am just angry but this is terrible booking.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think Undertaker did the best thing for the business in my opinion. The Streak was the only thing keeping him a draw. If he's going to retire, which is a real possibility, he might as well put someone over in the best way anyone can. He performed the old "time honored tradition" and he put over someone who still has an aurora of a believable badass.</p><p> </p><p> It's not like his skills in the ring haven't deteriorated either, he showed tonight he's still capable of putting on a decent match but those days of stealing Wrestlemania are over. Apparently the guy had surgery after everyone of his last 3 Wrestlemania matches lol. It was only a matter of time before he became so limited he wasn't even able to take a bump anymore like Hogan.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Umm what? Id say just the opposite of Russo booking. <p> </p><p> Lesnar is a former NCAA, WWE, and MMA champion. If anyone could break the streak it would be this guy. Taker has an old school mentality and it wouldnt surprise me if he chose Brock for this very reason.</p><p> </p><p> I can understand why the WWE sucks so bad right now. When they try to do anything surprising and unpredictable the fans crap all over it. And we blame the booking...</p><p> </p><p> Why does everything have to be so predictable for people? This is suppose to simulate a sport in which upsets happen.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Old school you say? So he'd rather lose to a schmuck who doesn't care about the fans or the company, who will just come back for a little bit, not get what he wants, then leave again because he got his poor feelings hurt.</p><p> </p><p> An old school mentality would have given it to someone deserving of it. I don't care if Brock was the strongest man alive and could fly...there are MANY MANY better choices to give it to.</p>

[jbergey_2005]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Old school you say? So he'd rather lose to a schmuck who doesn't care about the fans or the company, who will just come back for a little bit, not get what he wants, then leave again because he got his poor feelings hurt.<p> </p><p> An old school mentality would have given it to someone deserving of it. I don't care if Brock was the strongest man alive and could fly...there are MANY MANY better choices to give it to.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He wasn't booked to wrestle anyone else. I dont know who else you wanted him to lose to? Whether Brock sticks around or not he was still the biggest heel threat to taker right now which is all you need to be concerned with as a fan. Leave the long term booking to the people that are paid to do it and actually know more about the plans going forward.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<p>Taker could hardly make it out of his last 4 matches in one piece, it was better to stop while he was ahead</p><p> </p><p>

Brock wasn't the ideal guy but it's not a bad choice at all and who knows better than Taker (who we all know had to have given it the ok) how much more he had left based on circumstances?</p>

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Old school you say? So he'd rather lose to a schmuck who doesn't care about the fans or the company, who will just come back for a little bit, not get what he wants, then leave again because he got his poor feelings hurt.<p> </p><p> An old school mentality would have given it to someone deserving of it. I don't care if Brock was the strongest man alive and could fly...there are MANY MANY better choices to give it to.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This made me think about this quote from the Bronx Tale....</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>Sonny: </strong>Mickey Mantle? Is that what you're upset about? Mickey Mantle makes $100,000 a year. How much does your father make? You don't know? Well, see if your father can't pay the rent go ask Mickey Mantle and see what he tells you. Mickey Mantle don't care about you, so why should you care about him? Nobody cares. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My point being, Brock treats it like he should treat it...a job. I often wonder how many wrestlers truly care about the fans. I am sure some do but I am equally sure there are some who look at it like Brock, just another way to make a buck.</p><p> </p><p> Also to answer my quote about, no Mickey Mantle didn't give a damn about me. I met him when I was a kid at a card show and he seemed like he would rather be anyplace else but interacting with the fans.</p>

[Warhawk8492]

It felt like just bad shock value booking. It ruined Wrestlemania 30.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He wasn't booked to wrestle anyone else. I dont know who else you wanted him to lose to? Whether Brock sticks around or not he was still the biggest heel threat to taker right now which is all you need to be concerned with as a fan. Leave the long term booking to the people that are paid to do it and actually know more about the plans going forward.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Exactly and now it makes Brock even a bigger threat because he was the man who broke "the streak". If Daniel Bryan keeps the title think about the Paul E. Dangerously promos and how great they will be. Talking about how his client was the one who broke the streak and now he is setting his sights on Daniel Bryan.</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Warhawk8492" data-cite="Warhawk8492" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It felt like just bad shock value booking. It ruined Wrestlemania 30.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The guy that is physically broken down lost to one of the most gifted athletes in the history of the world. He works one match a year, it doesn't even effect the product.</p><p> </p><p> Bryan is still the best wrestler in the world and the top babyface in the company after a 9 month chase, WM30 was hardly ruined. It was one of the best ever</p>

[delv213]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Exactly and now it makes Brock even a bigger threat because he was the man who broke "the streak". If Daniel Bryan keeps the title think about the Paul E. Dangerously promos and how great they will be. Talking about how his client was the one who broke the streak and now he is setting his sights on Daniel Bryan.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't know if you do that right away, let Bryan finish his feud with Orton/Batista and then have him move onto Lesnar. Lesnar vs. Bryan should be the main event of Summerslam if anything.</p>

[Wolfman84]

Brock Lesnar beating the streak made no sense at all. The biggest problem with having Brock beat the streak is that he lost to Triple H and John Cena in the first place. If the WWE wanted to have it end that is not the right thing to do and have him lose to anyone. That was bad very bad booking. I don't care if The Undertaker went to Brock Lesnar or Vince McMahon and said it end tonight!

[TLCJR4LIFE]

<p>Right because Brock isn't credible.</p><p> </p><p>

The midcard was super fun tonight, probably my favourite part of the show; you can tell the guys coming up are hungry. Booking direction is looking optimistic too.</p>

[mjdgoldeneye]

 

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