lazorbeak Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Whose quote is that about Sheamus being out of the company with in a year of 2009? I love countless babyfaces in WWE. The Usos, Paige, Big E, The Shield, Daniel Bryan, Ziggler, Emma, Goldust, etc. I just think Sheamus's act as a face isn't as believable or as entertaining as his heel persona. I didn't want to pick on the poster that said that, but it's from this thread, a few hundred pages back. But I think Sheamus just went to the "John Cena" school of babyfaces. A lot of the people you listed I find pretty insufferable on Raw every week, but you like them anyway because they've entertained you in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 I didn't want to pick on the poster that said that, but it's from this thread, a few hundred pages back. But I think Sheamus just went to the "John Cena" school of babyfaces. A lot of the people you listed I find pretty insufferable on Raw every week, but you like them anyway because they've entertained you in the past. Cena, Sheamus, Kaitlyn, Alberto Del Rio and to a lesser extent Daniel Bryan were the ones who have used that face style from what I remember. Cena: Is Cena Sheamus: Stealing Cars being racist. Kaitlyn: Calling AJ crazy, mocking an injured Ziggler, leaving, and then attacking AJ from behind after AJ mutters piggy. ADR: In his feud with the Big Show before it got serious such as dumping paint. DB: Mocking Batista and The Authority. Bryan can't be a jokester or the funny guy. His reactions are funny face or heel but him trying to make jokes like The Rock doesn't work especially since his character is the beloved underdog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 <p>For DB, you are especially correct. He's too much on the left side of the spectrum, or should be in any case. He shouldn't make jokes about I don't like the way he's so confident against the Authority. Logically, they could screw him so bad, but don't for the love of his character. And it's clear he's beaten all odds already. But it's true he's been the 'underdog' for too long. They should switch to more dynamic gimmicks.</p><p> </p><p> Kaitlyn's persona was a random mess anyway. She would've been more suitable for an Emma-like gimmick that has some legitimate awkwardness build in.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Kaitlyn's persona was a random mess anyway. She would've been more suitable for an Emma-like gimmick that has some legitimate awkwardness build in.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They should have just built her as a straight up babyface. She was blonde, tanned, fit, tomboyish and decent enough but after all the losing and the crying she was made into a silent secondary in the AJ and Real Divas vs Total Divas feud that went nowhere.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Kaitlyn had a body... That is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rone Rivendale Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Kaitlyn had a body... That is all</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> A body that could perform moves that other divas could only dream of being able to do. She was a great replacement for Beth Phoenix in that role. WWE just didn't utilize her the way she should have been.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Kaitlyn vs AJ at Payback was basically the best divas match of the last decade (ever) until Charlotte/Nattie happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Kaitlyn's Gutbuster though... didn't anybody backstage ever mention how terrible her execution of that move was? I didn't mind her though, she had a lot of power but she was always booked as being an underdog for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Kaitlyn vs AJ at Payback was basically the best divas match of the last decade (ever) until Charlotte/Nattie happened</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Maybe it's just bias, but I think I'd take basically any Melina/not a diva search contestant over AJ/Kaitlyn. And as far as the crowd caring, Lita vs Trish always got a ton more reaction, even if Lita was never much of a worker and Trish needed somebody to make her look good.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Yeah I think decade is an overstatement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyver3 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Stardust is awesome that is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rone Rivendale" data-cite="Rone Rivendale" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A body that could perform moves that other divas could only dream of being able to do. She was a great replacement for Beth Phoenix in that role.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Beth did it better imo. And she could never be a replacement for Beth, who was employable as the eventual Glamazon (a perfect gimmick for her). The way SHIMMER used Beth gimmick-wise was just plain bad. WWE made her shine. Same thing: the way WWE used Kaitlyn, she just came over wrong. She can't help it, but her personality is more suited for workers with a 'different' body type. That said: I can't think of a gimmick that'd be perfect for her. Something Emma-like might be best.</p><p> </p><p> Decade is indeed an overstatement, but that's almost like saying the post-new year's match of 2001 is the best one of the decade 'so far'. It sounds a little more awesome that it actually is. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> On that topic, I'd probably go for Naomie vs AJ on NXT/Diva search, but I've seen little of that period so I'm not a reference.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rone Rivendale Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Stardust is awesome that is all I was cringing when he first came out in the paint. But by the end of the match, I LOVED IT. Cody has come a hell of a long way charisma wise since he debuted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Stardust is awesome that is all I didnt like it when he first showed up on stage but i will say that this is a creative and interesing turn for Cody, one that I didnt expect. Hopefully The Dust brothers can get another 2-3 runs with the titles before reverting Stardust back to Cody Rhodes and his hopefuk push to the uppercard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Stardust is awesome that is all Cody's a guy who has reinvented himself many times over while many of his midcard contemporaries have gotten stale and boring. He's got a gift of being able to commit to a character and make it work from the way he moves in the ring all the way through his promos. Cody's very very good. Will he ever be a main event attraction int his company? Remains to be seen. But he is very gifted and as a fan of both his and Goldust's I'm excited to see this. They've drawn out the drama between these two far further than I would have imagined and I think it's pretty great. I'm sure the Stardust thing will be relatively short lived in the general scheme of things but it's pretty cool how Cody has excelled at keeping himself fresh and not getting stale over his rather lengthy WWE career. If more guys were like him the complaints about the boring midcard would cease to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Cody's a guy who has reinvented himself many times over while many of his midcard contemporaries have gotten stale and boring. He's got a gift of being able to commit to a character and make it work from the way he moves in the ring all the way through his promos. Cody's very very good. Will he ever be a main event attraction int his company? Remains to be seen. But he is very gifted and as a fan of both his and Goldust's I'm excited to see this. They've drawn out the drama between these two far further than I would have imagined and I think it's pretty great. I'm sure the Stardust thing will be relatively short lived in the general scheme of things but it's pretty cool how Cody has excelled at keeping himself fresh and not getting stale over his rather lengthy WWE career. If more guys were like him the complaints about the boring midcard would cease to exist. I love Cody, but I really can't imagine him as a top guy. Honestly he reminds me a lot of Jericho in both style and character, in that he does a good job of staying fresh, but he's not really the talker Jericho was and Jericho's runs at the top were few and far between, even with great promo skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I love Cody, but I really can't imagine him as a top guy. Honestly he reminds me a lot of Jericho in both style and character, in that he does a good job of staying fresh, but he's not really the talker Jericho was and Jericho's runs at the top were few and far between, even with great promo skills. I agree with that. At least for now. You never know when a guy comes out of nowhere and delivers something really special and hits an unforeseen level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Raw Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Ziggler vs Rollins</strong> - Good match. I don't mind them spamming it or Dolph losing. The finish provided a nice segue.</p><p> <strong>Ambrose vs BNB</strong> - Good match with another smart finish. I feared Barrett was going to lose again on TV like most WWE Champs do.</p><p> <strong>Bray vs Sheamus</strong> - Solid match with an entertaining finish. Getting the Usos involved was a logical use of the match to advance that feud.</p><p> <strong>Slater vs Rusev</strong> - I like Slater the babyface super jobber. Rusev's showing more aggression but these squashes are no longer cutting it.</p><p> <strong>Fandango & Layla vs Rose & Summer</strong> - Silly fun but I'd like to see a proper mixed tag match. Rose's finisher is a weak version of Ambrose's Dirty Deeds. Also the touchy-feely stuff would make more sense if he were a cheeky heel.</p><p> <strong>Battle Royale</strong> - OK match until the last 10 minutes which was good. The final 3 (Reigns, Rusev & Bo) was well chosen.</p><p> <strong>Cameron vs Paige (Divas Title)</strong> - This was more like the NXT Anti-Diva. She got a passable match out of Cameron. I hope they turn Paige heel soon because AJ will be an automatic babyface if she returns.</p><p> <strong>Goldust & Stardust vs Rybaxel</strong> - I thought it would be Sandow as Silverdust (and there were rumors it would be John Morrison) but this was better. Best new entrance theme since Swagger's.</p><p> <strong>Cena vs Kane (Stretcher Match)</strong> - I fast-forwarded to the end just in case there was a swerve. I wasn't rooting for either guy and the result was obvious.</p><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>Verdict:</strong></span> Good show until the main event.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/jtgmemorial_zps99e9c3ce.jpg~original</span><span>http://i.4cdn.org/asp/1402973162042.gif</span><span>http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt88/milamber/v2xu36_zpsc9dc41c5.jpg~original</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swanton825 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I wish I had remembered to watch Raw now. Stardust is exactly what Cody needed, and anyone who uses the diamond dust is a winner in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitsukaikira Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Oh man. Best gimmick change EVER. Cody's a beast and if anyone can pull it off it'll be him. Having Dustin as your partner defintely does not hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKOwnage Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 <p>Look, it's Stardust!</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://www.news10.net/images/640/360/2/assetpool/photogallery/201688/riddler-carey.jpg</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 <p>I love the way Cody fully embraces the character from the body movement to the facial expressions. The changes to his moveset as well, although the last 2 moves looked clunky but I'm sure he'll improve.</p><p> </p><p> I think they should have Cody immerse himself in the new gimmick so much that Goldust either gets jealous and turns heel or worries that Cody is losing himself. It ends with a Loser Leaves WWE match at SummerSlam (unless Dustin gets his contract renewed then they could keep it going).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I love the way Cody fully embraces the character from the body movement to the facial expressions. The changes to his moveset as well, although the last 2 moves looked clunky but I'm sure he'll improve.<p> </p><p> I think they should have Cody immerse himself in the new gimmick so much that Goldust either gets jealous and turns heel or worries that Cody is losing himself. It ends with a Loser Leaves WWE match at SummerSlam (unless Dustin gets his contract renewed then they could keep it going).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I cool to see how damn talented Cody is. No matter the gimmick he immerses so much in them from Legacy Cody Rhodes, to Dashing Rhodes, Ugly Rhodes, Rhodes Dynasty and now Stardust. Seriously he should be given a true main event run in the future preferably as a face since WWE really needs some of those. A heel is easier to build up in my opinion than a true babyface.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatChizzle Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RKOwnage" data-cite="RKOwnage" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Look, it's Stardust!<p> </p><p> <span>http://www.news10.net/images/640/360/2/assetpool/photogallery/201688/riddler-carey.jpg</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> lol I kept wondering why I thought I had seen Cody's Stardust somewhere before heh</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca316 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Would love to know how Summer Rae got away with calling Layla a catty little t##t on Main Event? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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