Slagaholic Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Well <em>I</em> admire his passion, goshdarnit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> However!</p><p> </p><p> It's only been 2 and a half months and it's clear they're trying to do too much. </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> No it fuzzing hasn't.</p><p> </p><p> TNA has been booking like this FOR YEARS.</p><p> </p><p> Moe Hunter said it best: TNA supporters have been using "they just need ___, give it time, you'll see" FOREVER.</p><p> </p><p> TNA has done nothing to make me believe they are going to figure things out. Nothing. I don't owe this company any benefit of the doubt because they haven't earned any. </p><p> </p><p> Again, Moe said it best: they've had every break in the world handed to them. TV slots, financial backing, big name talent, PPV deals that other companies would die for, mainstream media attention..and they still put out what is basically a piss poor product.</p><p> </p><p> They don't desereve to succeed. They really don't even deserve the fanbase they have. They definitely don't deserve a massive surge in popularity. </p><p> </p><p> When this company goes away it will be seen as the biggest waste of talent since the WCW and AWA. Just one giant colossal clusterfizzle from day one...</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: for clusterfuzzle</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagaholic Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 <p>That's your opinion. I enjoy TNA, you can't never convince me to not be a fan. I even admitted in the post that the whole thing was my opinion.</p><p> </p><p> If TNA fails, that may be what the history books say, but I'll have fond memories of watching TNA. </p><p> </p><p> If that makes you think negatively of me, that's fine. I don't think negatively of you. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's your opinion. I enjoy TNA, you can't never convince me to not be a fan. I even admitted in the post that the whole thing was my opinion.<p> </p><p> If TNA fails, that may be what the history books say, but I'll have fond memories of watching TNA. </p><p> </p><p> If that makes you think negatively of me, that's fine. I don't think negatively of you. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't think negatively of you. But I don't think it's at all accurate to say "It's only been 2 months etc"</p><p> </p><p> And I also don't honestly see how you can watch TNA week in week out and think that's truly entertaining. It's a hot mess.</p><p> </p><p> The WWE is predictable and formulaic and not terribly original. </p><p> </p><p> But they aren't making any huge, drastic, glaringly obvious mistakes either. </p><p> </p><p> I'd rather watch "predictable" than "trainwreck" any day of the week.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagaholic Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 I like it partly because it's a hot mess. I don't judge booking decisions when they happen, I don't analyze the angles and worker usage. I just watch it like it's a TV show. It's enjoyable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDreamerFan Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You are absolutely right. But Bentley/Maybach/Rolls Royce/Lexus/Infiniti/Mercedes aren't the lifeblood of their industries. Doesn't stop them from being ridiculously profitable and highly respected and sought after. I'd like to suggest something to you. Check the demographics of the promotions you mentioned. Whose bottom lines sagged during the "economic downturn" and whose didn't? It is possible to be profitable without pandering to the widest possible audience. But profitability isn't the goal here. It's ridiculously profitable that these folks are shooting for. It's 'so popular, we're an institution' level (which, I should remind you, has already largely been achieved by the competition). <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Okay good point, but ECW didn't catch on fire in popularity until post-mortem and it was added to the WWE fiction (first with Invasion, and the One Night Stands and eventual ressurection... And someone asked me this earlier, no, I considered it TRUE ECW up until the point Heyman left. Only after the PPV did I cease watching because it became just another B-Show.)</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> The same can be said for ANY tag team that worked in the WWF at any time over the last 20 years. </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The only other tag team I'd bring in to TNA that I'd say has any value would be Too Cool. OF COURSE, that merely has to do with me being a huge mark for them in my youth and we never EVER got to see them reunite. For the life of me I'll never understand why they picked up Rikishi with out Too Cool to go with him because he's nothing with out them.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No, because it's blind passion. He's doing the textual equivalent of pressing his palms against his ears and shouting "LA LA LA LA LA LA". This is the same kind of blind passion that led Detroit Lions fans to believe Matt Millen was an awesome General Manager. This same blind passion placed my hometown New York Knicks in such a deep hole, they had to basically throw away two full seasons of performance just to <strong><em>possibly</em></strong> fix it. In short, with those kinds of fans, nothing changes until the rock bottom point because their tireless blind optimism won't demand it.<p> </p><p> In business, as in life, the best clients/fans to have are those who will call you on it when you do something stupid. I don't want friends who tell me I'm awesome when I screw up. I want friends who tell me "Man, that was just dumb. What made you think that was a good idea?". I don't want clients who keep their mouths shut when something goes wrong. I want them to come to me and tell me so I can fix it.</p><p> </p><p> You know what the rating on that clusterfuzzle is likely to do? Make them look at what might have caused it and try to remedy it. Do you know what would've happened if TDF had his way and everyone recommended TNA to their friends and that clusterfuzzle got a 1.8? Think about that for a minute (or don't).</p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thats a load of BS, sir. Just because I don't get all negative after TWO shows, because I do enjoy the product and I disagree with you guys on book strategy I'm the guy saying La La La?</p><p> </p><p> <.< Okay I can see that kinda, so I'll go back to being a more reserved poster.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabataged Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Personally I think all the cussing and arguing is a little ridiculous. I don't know why a mod hasn't stepped in like every other thread where this crap goes down. Maybe it has something to do with the people doing the arguing...who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike b Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 <p>Some one please make a time machine so i can travel back to when the territories were alive and strong. At least then we had a dozen feds to follow with alot more talent then whats out there now.</p><p> Northwest,Mid South,Mid Southern,World Class,California,Florida ohhhhh how i long for those days again.</p><p> </p><p> TNA is trying but i just dont see it happening.Samoa Joe needs to get out of there and head over to the WWE as does sting.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Geez...I wonder how that ended? Oh wait...we all know how it ended...with a massive unemployment line. Yeah but it went out of business because of financial reasons. They almost put Vince out business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Yeah but it went out of business because of financial reasons. They almost put Vince out business. Yeah, that is also true. How wonder how things would be today if they succeeded in putting him out of business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 I like it partly because it's a hot mess. I don't judge booking decisions when they happen, I don't analyze the angles and worker usage. I just watch it like it's a TV show. It's enjoyable to me. Good God! I miss doing this, but it's impossible nowadays. TNA and WWE don't put on that kind of product these days. Even WWE, wich is only predictable but not necessarilly bad, doesn't entertain me enough for me to forget and/or stop analyzing and judgind things. And it's been a (LONG) while since i was able to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Yeah, that is also true. How wonder how things would be today if they succeeded in putting him out of business? Pretty crappy probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Thats a load of BS, sir. Just because I don't get all negative after TWO shows, because I do enjoy the product and I disagree with you guys on book strategy I'm the guy saying La La La? This continues to make me nuts....do people honestly believe that the negativity towards TNA is about the ratings? Or that ONLY the last two show have had problems? Have you guys been watching at all for the last 7 years? That makes you the La La guy more than anything imo I think it's great if you enjoy the product and we just happen to disagree. That's just a difference in opinion. But TNA's booking/storytelliing issues go back before Hulk and Eric appeared. Which is why it makes it more unlikely that they're going to het this back on track any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linsolv Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 I've only been watching for 2 years (Okay, I think maybe 1 and a half)! And most of that I spent not watching. And the Main Event Mafia was really getting tiring. But Hogan insists "thing's are gonna change," so I figure I give him another few months before I call him a liar liar pants on fire. Secretly, I like the new ring better. But my reasoning is rather childish: I really really like the look of raised walkways. First encountered them with NJPW and I've been hooked ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted March 20, 2010 Share Posted March 20, 2010 Personally I think all the cussing and arguing is a little ridiculous. I don't know why a mod hasn't stepped in like every other thread where this crap goes down. Maybe it has something to do with the people doing the arguing...who knows Agreed please keep it civil and if possible non personal guys. This is just a wrestling fed we are talking about that has a lot of glaring flaws but also some good points. In the end the flaws are too big and too much for the general audiance to be able to accept them at the moment imho. And I know this falls in the if only category etc but TNA has had 2 major changes in management over the year so some of the problems can be attributed to that. I may be an eternal optimist and I will give them time again to see where this goes and I vowed a while back that if they brought in rvd I would continue to support, but atm TNA is making it hard. btw people again seem to be forgetting that TNA is profitable for a while now and they wheren't to start out and that the ratings do not effect their profitibility so much. TNA right now has a 3 year deal with Spike and is still one of their highest rated shows so they will be on tv for a good time to come. Also the carters are strong financial backers eventhough its just a vanity project for Dixie. TNA is not going anywhere folks! If they will ever get the big time succes they are after that is another question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDreamerFan Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 This continues to make me nuts....do people honestly believe that the negativity towards TNA is about the ratings? Or that ONLY the last two show have had problems? Have you guys been watching at all for the last 7 years? That makes you the La La guy more than anything imo I think it's great if you enjoy the product and we just happen to disagree. That's just a difference in opinion. But TNA's booking/storytelliing issues go back before Hulk and Eric appeared. Which is why it makes it more unlikely that they're going to het this back on track any time soon. I don't know where suddenly this erupted into something that it's not. LOL. We're all just shooting the... for the lack of cursing, poo, over booking. Quite honestly I'm having a blast, and who wouldn't? It's a fun time to watch and see what this company is doing and bicker over it right or wrong. More so then watching WWE because it matters in the case of TNA. I'm not a blind TNA mark, I watched them religiously in 2004 on TSN and stopped watching soon after they debuted on Spike TV because things got to be to ridiculous with the MEM and all the storylines in general and I couldn't stand the booking anymore. (and I should say I ordered a lot of 2004 TNA PPV and enjoyed them all.) If TNA starts doing stuff I don't like, I'll quit wanting to watch it, but I gave them another chance the night Hogan took over and they've held my interest. Hell, they've resparked my interest in wrestling overall which ultimately led me back here to check to see if the new TEW even came out. Ofcourse I've also been more lenient with TNA in the sense that, anything I see that I don't like I find myself going "okay... I wouldn't of done that but I'll hold off judging till I see the whole feud." Good example? The fact anderson got taken down with 1 chairshot. Okay, that hurt the feud, in the grand scheme of the whole feud that's one blimish in what has otherwise been a pretty decent build to a PPV match. And if Anderson comes out on top in the end, I don't think it's going to hurt him in the long run. On a side note, I also do like how, twice, people have snuck up behind him while he was talking because I think that really shows that "wow this guy is so full of himself and a loudmouth he doesn't even see that his enemy is behind him". Anyway, and more importantly, were bickering like friends not fighting like enemies... Unless you want me to go all Jim Cornette and be all "NO! YOUR WRONG AND I HOPE YOU FREAKING DIE!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOmniWarrior Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 http://www.fanhouse.com/2010/03/20/even-after-all-these-years-daniels-stays-hungry-in-tnas-x-divi/?icid=main|main|dl1|link7|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fanhouse.com%2F2010%2F03%2F20%2Feven-after-all-these-years-daniels-stays-hungry-in-tnas-x-divi%2F Christopher daniels interview I saw on aol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaySo Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah but it went out of business because of financial reasons. They almost put Vince out business.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yet The Rock and Stone Cold comes out of the WWE during its low point in 1997 and WCW is sold to Vince.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SaySo" data-cite="SaySo" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yet The Rock and Stone Cold comes out of the WWE during its low point in 1997 and WCW is sold to Vince.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not sure what your point is? I don't think anyone here was under the impressions the Rock and Stone Cold never happened and the WWF was sold to Ted Turner...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Century Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 I just watched The Rise & Fall of WCW documentary and I have to say, I personally think that it was unbiased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 <p>Wrong thread mate. Please guys I see WCW popping up everywhere and not just here that it can use its own thread.</p><p> </p><p> Disagree with the unbiased part. It presents itself as unbiased but it slightly manipulates stuff to the WWE version. "black saturday" for one and skips over the succesfull part.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wrestling Century" data-cite="Wrestling Century" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just watched The Rise & Fall of WCW documentary and I have to say, I personally think that it was unbiased.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah you're wrong. It's a work of pure propoganda.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagaholic Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 <p>Godammit Flair, you just gave TNA their own version of "WHAT?" with the stupid "WOO" BS.</p><p> </p><p> <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Although him being in a wheelchair rules, and I guess Wolfe and Styles are officially an alliance.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linsolv Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 What are you WHOO! talking WHOO! about, Slag WHOO! aholic? WHOO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slagaholic Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I love Alex Shelley: "We've been in TNA longer than you've owned your Hardy Boyz starter kits" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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