The Official Movie Discussion Thread

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You have historical knowledge of both that I don't think delv213 could possibly catch up on. His opinion to me seems more modern then the one you have (as an example). I can see both points.<p> </p><p> When Marvel first started hitting it big, they had characters that had real problems (Spider-Man having trouble paying the bills, Tony Stark and alcoholism, etc.). Although not necessarily unheard of before then, most definitely never explored to the depth Marvel did with it. Spider-Man and other characters exploded with popularity, and DC had to "Marvelize" their characters to keep up with the times. Kind of a farewell golden age, hello Silver age... And DC ended up throwing all their Golden Age (Justice Society) into Earth 2 (which Barry Allen discovered, and it's weird to call the first heroes, heroes of Earth 2, and the Silver age (pretty much the same characters now) as the Earth 1 characters. There were other earths as well, where their kids took over their roles and stuff like that... However, far as that goes, Marvel did the same thing. Earth 616 is what most of us grew up with (Mainstream), </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Right, that's been my point. It's not really personal preference, because Marvel's style just became DC's style. They've been more or less the same since. I don't agree that it's easy to discredit either side, because the point I've been making is that DC self-consciously adopted Marvel's style completely. You can have favorites, and point out the silly parts of either company, but I don't really agree that there's room for debate that a company with a much stronger golden age presence that bought up Captain Marvel and other comics has a simpler to follow continuity unless, as you said, you're just ignoring everything and focusing on things since the last reboot (which is still super confusing- who is Tim Drake in the new continuity? Not Robin), which I wasn't.</p><p> </p><p> And you're right, my opinion is more educated than delv's.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh, so you're a bigot now? Hilarious, and yes it is all <em>personal predilection</em>. I was actually uninformed when it came to different studios owning the rights to Marvel's movies, I naturally assumed they'd all be under the Disney/Marvel Studios since you know DC/Time Warner owns all the rights to their own characters, I would've assumed Disney would've never passed on making their own Spider-Man/X-Men movies since those franchises make good money. Secondly, I wasn't aware these deals were made before Disney's purchase of Marvel's intellectual properties. My mistake, at least I don't predispose another to showing he's not an imbecile like some people. Thirdly, it's not out of the rheum of possibility that a Wolverine or Spider-Man could be added to The Avengers movie franchise. <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Anything is possible in movies, since it's not actually real</span></strong>! Jaysin alluded to that and I acknowledged this point immediately, and knowing that he was correct in the most sense of the word, I reluctantly agreed, and moved on. Yet you must further the argument by being presumptuous and for what? I've yet to understand why so many board members must pick on the nonconformists in the world? I said specifically my opinion and all opinions have biases to them, that's what makes them all <em>personal predilection</em> or an opinion in dumb down terms.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Don't use a term like "bigot" because they don't agree with you on a message board and explain their difference of opinion. I'm glad you "reluctantly" agreed with someone when they pointed out you were completely wrong about something? I already explained my issue with your attitude, and it has nothing to do with "non-conformity" or your tendency to use words incorrectly. I already explained it: it's that you decided you were only grudgingly going to listen to anything from people who know more about a subject than you.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anyways, you tend to skip my points because of your pompous, self absorbed nature of always being right? Did me standing up for myself bother you that much that you had to ridicule the big words I used? You're not writing stuff to a child good sir! Every person is entitled to an opinion, apparently you neglect that and continue and try to make me feel inconsequential. All because my opinion is to you, and I quote "baffling".</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Where did I "ridicule" your big words? And more name-calling. I already explained my issue. Your opinion <em>is</em> baffling, and I explained why: it's because your opinion is based on willful ignorance. That is, you don't know much about the subject, and you don't want to hear more about it. It's frustrating when people don't even try to learn about something they have an opinion on and yet don't understand. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've said numerous times I don't care/want to debate you for obvious reasons quoted above in bold. It's all <em>personal predilection</em>, like I said when giving you a link to a forum that had the same debate. Superhumans and Mutants have too many similarities, yet they live in the same world and one is discriminated and the other is praised, why wouldn't the similarities lead to similar prejudice and lead to both groups fighting in every single war when their very well being was on the line? Don't the humans consider anyone with superpowers to be Mutants? Did you even look at the link I sent you, or were you too busy trying to make me out to be some sort of pestilence because I said some big words?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I looked at the poll. I saw the whopping 17 people who voted on some poll, most of which didn't support your argument, on a mostly unrelated subject. I thought I was just being nice by not picking apart how little it had to do with anything anyone had brought up. But all the specifics of your mutant/everyone else confusion has already been explained to you, so it's not worth re-iterating. And yes, I think the record will show I treated you exactly like a pestilence.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I have nothing against you at all, in-fact, I'll likely forget who I even argued with about this tomorrow when I wake up. <strong>I just don't like it when someone tries to turn something personal for no reason</strong>. Anyways, I hope we can let this small argument over personal biases go and just admit that we both took it too far and discuss movies, specifically X-Men.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Then don't call people bigots when they explain why your opinion doesn't make sense. And yes, you're entitled to have your opinion. Just like I'm entitled to explain why that opinion doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's not a xbox/playstation "everyone can think what they want," situation. It's "xbox was a confusing disaster, so they made a ps3 but painted it white" situation. You'd still be allowed to say xbox is better, but don't you think people would tell you why that's an uninformed opinion?</p><p> </p><p> Again, since my first post I've been trying to explain this point, and it just didn't sink in:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is a bit too off-topic for WWE to go too in-deth, but whaaaaaa? DC's continuity is/was a confusing mess that has necessitated multiple reboots in an effort to make DC more of a shared universe, that is, making them more like Marvel. I just don't know where to even begin.</div></blockquote>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They've had stories covering this subject before.<p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Given that they are working on an X-Force movie, I think it's a safe bet that you'll get to see both Cable and Deadpool again before too long. And with the introduction of Apocalypse as a villain, that could be a perfect setup.</p><p> </p><p> If it were up to me, I'd have them setup Acopcalypse (and possibly Sinister in a smaller role) as the villain in an X-Force movie - and then do the Age of Apocalypse storyline with characters from both X-Men and X-Force, bringing back dead and less-profiled characters. <strong>And Liv Schreiber's Sabretooth, please</strong>.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If Fox does one thing, I want it to be anything other than this. I love Schreiber, but his Sabretooth was downright awful. He didn't look the part, he didn't act the part, and he didn't even "sound" the party. Sabretooth shouldn't be a hard character to screw up, and yet they found a way. Few things about X-Men Origins are good, most things are bad, and his Sabretooth is one of the bad. </p><p> </p><p> Fox announced a mystery Marvel movie for release in 2018 and that's most likely X-Force, but that's coming out after Apocalypse. The next two X-Moves after Days of Future Past from Fox are Apocalypse and Wolverine 3.</p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If Fox does one thing, I want it to be anything other than this. I love Schreiber, but his Sabretooth was downright awful. He didn't look the part, he didn't act the part, and he didn't even "sound" the party. Sabretooth shouldn't be a hard character to screw up, and yet they found a way. Few things about X-Men Origins are good, most things are bad, and his Sabretooth is one of the bad.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Did he look, act or sound like the comic book Sabretooth? No, I agree. But neither does Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. For the movie universe, and in the context of how much they changed Wolverine, I think his Sabretooth worked surprisingly well - and it was one of the few things they got right in that movie, in my opinion.</p><p> </p><p> But eh, to each his own...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fox announced a mystery Marvel movie for release in 2018 and that's most likely X-Force, but that's coming out after Apocalypse. The next two X-Moves after Days of Future Past from Fox are Apocalypse and Wolverine 3. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, and that is unfortunate. Age of Apocalypse would have been a fantastic way to do an Avengers style movie with X-Men, X-Force and Fantastic Four all together. And another Wolverine movie? Well... I love Wolverine as a character, but I'm getting a bit tired of him always being the center piece of everything X-Men related (bar First Class). And while a huge improvement over the first one, I don't think the last Wolverine movie was all that great...</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Did he look, act or sound like the comic book Sabretooth? No, I agree. But neither does Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. For the movie universe, and in the context of how much they changed Wolverine, I think his Sabretooth worked surprisingly well - and it was one of the few things they got right in that movie, in my opinion.<p> </p><p> But eh, to each his own...</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Yeah, and that is unfortunate. Age of Apocalypse would have been a fantastic way to do an Avengers style movie with X-Men, X-Force and Fantastic Four all together. And another Wolverine movie? Well... I love Wolverine as a character, but I'm getting a bit tired of him always being the center piece of everything X-Men related (bar First Class). And while a huge improvement over the first one, I don't think the last Wolverine movie was all that great...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sabretooth- Even as a movie character and not one based on a version of the comic character, it was still...just boring and incredibly cheesy. I don't know, I'll give it a shot eventually just to see if the movie was as bad as I remember it being. I almost got up and walked out of the theater multiple times. </p><p> </p><p> Wolverine Focal Point- I agree. Wolverine was my favorite growing up, but now everything is so oversaturated with him that it's hard to enjoy it. </p><p> </p><p> Other rumors about the mystery Fox Marvel Movie are:</p><p> Silver Surfer</p><p> Gambit</p><p> X-Men Dark Phoenix Saga</p><p> X-Men/FF cross over</p><p> </p><p> On the topic of Fantastic Four, I can honestly say I'm looking forward to what Michael B. Jordan does as Human Torch. Being white is not part of the character. It's not like they're casting a white guy as Black Panther. Him being black and Sue being white is easily explainable. They can be half siblings, step siblings or one can be adopted. He's such a talented actor that I think he's going to knock it out of the park.</p>

[lazorbeak]

It was probably just lowered expectations, but I was surprised how much I actually enjoyed "The Wolverine." I was worried it would only be dull, instead of hilariously bad a la Origins, but it was pretty decent, and even good for the first half (the second half is pretty standard stuff). It's still hard for me to manufacture any enthusiasm for even more X-Men movies, though. I think the franchise has pretty well run its course. It's been 14 years. Although if they did re-start it, they'd probably feel the need to do another origin story, because lord knows comic book movies don't have enough of those.

[masterded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd be ok with more Bishop. Omar Sy, the guy playing the role at least looks the part. <p> </p><p> I'm more excited at the prospect of Mr Sinister. He's probably my favorite X-Villain. He's the only comic book character to ever genuinely creep me out. Well, he did when I was a kid and I was raised on horror movies. </p><p> </p><p> They could easily use DoFP time hopping crap mixed with AoA time issues to bring Cyclops back and rectify the age issues with him and Havok. At least I hope so. I'd like them to actually be the brothers they're supposed to be. </p><p> </p><p> There's also the possibility of adding Cable and X-Man. I'd prefer them to go all out and do an entire trilogy based on Age of Apocalypse, but I'm ok with them condensing the story if it's done right.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I would love to see Mr. Sinister, though like you said they need to bring Cyclops back. Sinister and his obsession with breeding the perfect Mutant by using the 2 most pure mutants (Cyclops and Jean) is such a big part of his character. If they make a Sinister who isn't obsessed with Cyclops than he isn't Sinister.</p><p> </p><p> The other big reason to bring back Cyclops is obviously Cable who I would think has to be a big part of any Apocalypse movie. If Apocalypse has a main foil it would have to be Cable. My biggest fear is they just keep making Wolverine an even bigger piece of all things X-men and make him Cable's father.</p><p> </p><p> Here is how I would hope X-men DoFP ends. Cyclops runs up to Xavier and the other surviving X-men with a baby in his arms and a red headed woman. Everyone is shocked how are you and Jean alive and so on. Cyclops says that isn't Jean and that the rest isn't important right now. He then asks Xavier to save his son who the camera now shows infected with the Techno-Organic Virus.</p>

[lazorbeak]

That would be one potential positive of a reboot, at least- hopefully they wouldn't short-change Cyclops so completely if they did it all over again.

[masterded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>On the topic of Fantastic Four, I can honestly say I'm looking forward to what Michael B. Jordan does as Human Torch. Being white is not part of the character. It's not like they're casting a white guy as Black Panther. Him being black and Sue being white is easily explainable. They can be half siblings, step siblings or one can be adopted. He's such a talented actor that I think he's going to knock it out of the park.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I have little to no hope for FF. One of the actors recently talked about how it will be more grounded and they won't be wearing cheesy Halloween costumes. My instant reaction to his quote was that he was directly insulting comic book fans and how dumb can the studio be if that is true. I mean The Avengers and the other stand alone films shows that what we want isn't grounded comic book films without the costume we know and love. We want comic book films that look like comic books.</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="masterded" data-cite="masterded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I have little to no hope for FF. One of the actors recently talked about how it will be more grounded and they won't be wearing cheesy Halloween costumes. My instant reaction to his quote was that he was directly insulting comic book fans and how dumb can the studio be if that is true. I mean The Avengers and the other stand alone films shows that what we want isn't grounded comic book films without the costume we know and love. We want comic book films that look like comic books.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm guessing the actor was meaning they're going Dark Knight Trilogy style.</p>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="masterded" data-cite="masterded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I have little to no hope for FF. One of the actors recently talked about how it will be more grounded and they won't be wearing cheesy Halloween costumes. My instant reaction to his quote was that he was directly insulting comic book fans and how dumb can the studio be if that is true. I mean The Avengers and the other stand alone films shows that what we want isn't grounded comic book films without the costume we know and love. We want comic book films that look like comic books.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oof, I hope that's just an actor talking. If there's one movie franchise I don't associate with Frank Miller-style "realism," it's the Fantastic Four. My biggest issue with those other FF movies (beyond the casting), is that they never do anything. I'd rather have a fun, action-heavy film with some character development than the Thing moping for an hour and nothing happening. I get that the Avengers can kind of cheat because all the character introduction stuff was already done, but I feel like even if you didn't see those other movies, you can pretty easily "get" who's who. </p><p> </p><p> I would vastly prefer the Fantastic Four just exploring the Negative Zone and fighting a weird bug alien in a robot suit for 2 hours over some "realistic" take on the characters.</p>

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oof, I hope that's just an actor talking. If there's one movie franchise I don't associate with Frank Miller-style "realism," it's the Fantastic Four. My biggest issue with those other FF movies (beyond the casting), is that they never do anything. I'd rather have a fun, action-heavy film with some character development than the Thing moping for an hour and nothing happening. I get that the Avengers can kind of cheat because all the character introduction stuff was already done, but I feel like even if you didn't see those other movies, you can pretty easily "get" who's who. <p> </p><p> I would vastly prefer the Fantastic Four just exploring the Negative Zone and fighting a weird bug alien in a robot suit for 2 hours over some "realistic" take on the characters.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I definitely agree with you.</p><p> </p><p> Anyways.</p><p> </p><p> The first trailer for the new Ninja Turtles movie dropped today. I honestly went from "cautiously optimistic" about it to "incredibly excited". William Fichtner as Shredder is such a unique idea, but he's such a good actor. The Shredder helmet looks awesome. I don't think we hear Leo's voice, but Donnie, Raph, and Mikey's voices all fit.</p><p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo" contenteditable="false"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/wRipBOQl95o?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen="" title="TMNT Movie Trailer"></iframe></div></div>

[Self]

<p>No interest in the Fantastic Four reboot. They're far from my favourite superheroes, and no one in the cast appeals to me. I can certainly see why people are opposing a black Johnny Storm (personally the actor irritated me in Friday Night Lights).</p><p> </p><p>

I liked 'Sabertooth' in that Wolverine movie. I guess he wasn't like he was in the comics (or cartoons) but sometimes you need to change things so they can make sense in movies. A lot of comic stuff looks silly translated to screen. The worst thing about Schrieber's Sabertooth to me was the lame wire-fu cat-running. </p><p> </p><p>

Then again, I also thought that movie's version of Deadpool was interesting. Don't get me wrong, I want to see the 'real' Deadpool on screen... I just thought it was kinda a clever twist on elements of the character. Plus, I like Ryan Reynolds.</p>

[masterded]

Oof, I hope that's just an actor talking. If there's one movie franchise I don't associate with Frank Miller-style "realism," it's the Fantastic Four. My biggest issue with those other FF movies (beyond the casting), is that they never do anything. I'd rather have a fun, action-heavy film with some character development than the Thing moping for an hour and nothing happening. I get that the Avengers can kind of cheat because all the character introduction stuff was already done, but I feel like even if you didn't see those other movies, you can pretty easily "get" who's who.

 

I would vastly prefer the Fantastic Four just exploring the Negative Zone and fighting a weird bug alien in a robot suit for 2 hours over some "realistic" take on the characters.

 

Here is the article I was talking about.

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/08/miles-teller-on-what-appealed-to-him-about-the-fantastic-four-reboot

[delv213]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Right, that's been my point. It's not really personal preference, because Marvel's style just became DC's style. They've been more or less the same since. I don't agree that it's easy to discredit either side, because the point I've been making is that DC self-consciously adopted Marvel's style completely. You can have favorites, and point out the silly parts of either company, but I don't really agree that there's room for debate that a company with a much stronger golden age presence that bought up Captain Marvel and other comics has a simpler to follow continuity unless, as you said, you're just ignoring everything and focusing on things since the last reboot (which is still super confusing- who is Tim Drake in the new continuity? Not Robin), which I wasn't.<p> </p><p> <strong>And you're right, my opinion is more educated than delv's.</strong></p><p> </p><p> Don't use a term like "bigot" because they don't agree with you on a message board and explain their difference of opinion. I'm glad you "reluctantly" agreed with someone when they pointed out you were completely wrong about something? <strong>I already explained my issue with your attitude, and it has nothing to do with "non-conformity" or your tendency to use words incorrectly</strong>. I already explained it: it's that you decided you were only grudgingly going to listen to anything from people who know more about a subject than you.</p><p> </p><p> Where did I "ridicule" your big words? And more name-calling. I already explained my issue. Your opinion <em>is</em> baffling, and I explained why: it's because your opinion is based on willful ignorance. That is, you don't know much about the subject, and you don't want to hear more about it. It's frustrating when people don't even try to learn about something they have an opinion on and yet don't understand. </p><p> </p><p> I looked at the poll. I saw the whopping 17 people who voted on some poll, most of which didn't support your argument, on a mostly unrelated subject. I thought I was just being nice by not picking apart how little it had to do with anything anyone had brought up. But all the specifics of your mutant/everyone else confusion has already been explained to you, so it's not worth re-iterating. <strong>And yes, I think the record will show I treated you exactly like a pestilence.</strong></p><p> </p><p> Then don't call people bigots when they explain why your opinion doesn't make sense. And yes, you're entitled to have your opinion. Just like I'm entitled to explain why that opinion doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's not a xbox/playstation "everyone can think what they want," situation. It's "xbox was a confusing disaster, so they made a ps3 but painted it white" situation. You'd still be allowed to say xbox is better, but don't you think people would tell you why that's an uninformed opinion?</p><p> </p><p> Again, since my first post I've been trying to explain this point, and it just didn't sink in:</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <strong>Bigoted: having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Non-Conformist: a person whose behavior or views do not conform to prevailing ideas or practices.</strong></p><p> </p><p> I use each word in correct sense of the term.</p><p> </p><p> Anyways, your understanding that every opinion has a bias to it is also unfortunate, and yes, the bold wording of your paragraphs above make you a bigot in every sense of the word. Google is your friend, try using it when not understanding a phrasing. I hope you understand that movies and comic books aren't real right? That anything could happen as long as a person writes something in and produces it to be made? I agreed with others points reluctantly because that would be the correct phrase, I think that shows character to admit when one is right in the sense that he cannot be wrong. It's better when just agreeing with the majority because it's their job to appease the prevailing idea.</p><p> </p><p> Even if you were right, I said long ago, it was my feeling that I don't like Marvel's continuity which other people understood the argument, even if they didn't agree with it. What you're bringing up is something about DC copying Marvel nearly 30-40 years ago, has nothing to do with my opinion that I enjoyed DC's continuity over Marvels as stated by it's just my opinion, I'm glad they tried to modernize, I think the masses of people today would have problems associated with a character created nearly 70+ years ago, dealing with irregular problems of the 1940's don't you? Or would you rather argue because one publication did it first, they are the trend setter? I'm so sure, since the old saying of "No idea is original" really comes into play here. </p><p> </p><p> I'm sure Marvel copied DC when it came to producing television and movies based upon their comics? I'm sure that could be characterized as "modernizing" as well, isn't it? Since most people don't read comic books today? Superman in 1978 was considered the first major superhero feature film to be successful. I guess that make's Marvel second rate and copycats since it took them decades before one of their characters had a successful movie. During that time Superman and Batman had numerous box office successes while Marvel didn't have a single one until Blade in 1998. </p><p> </p><p> Regardless, it's all biased opinion which is something you've ignored when masterded, as did DJ who both agreed with me saying it all comes down to personal predilection, both of which points you've completely ignored as you only quoted to DJ's point in where you could feed your own ego and continue to try and look right in an argument fueled by opinion, anyone who reads just that quote isn't reading that DJ explained both companies have their issues with similar continuity errors. Both have continuity issues, just DC is much easier to follow, in my opinion, which he felt could be the case since they both modernized. It's not necessarily correct, since it's subjective to each persons own personal bias, but you seem to go out of your way to disprove anyone that disagrees with you, with nothing but your personal opinion.</p><p> </p><p> The funny thing about this whole thing is I've never once disagreed with anything other then your obvious intent on making me look uneducated. In an opinion based argument, nobody can be wrong and nobody can be right. It's not up to anyone debate if an opinion is right or wrong, if you don't understand that, it indeed does make you a bigot.</p><p> </p><p> You could always PM me if you want to continue this argument, since this has very little to do with movies in general, but every time you ignore this comment, it becomes painfully obvious your just trying to feed your ego hoping that people will take your side in an argument that I've not once said you were wrong in.</p>

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>On the topic of Fantastic Four, I can honestly say I'm looking forward to what Michael B. Jordan does as Human Torch. Being white is not part of the character. It's not like they're casting a white guy as Black Panther. Him being black and Sue being white is easily explainable. They can be half siblings, step siblings or one can be adopted. He's such a talented actor that I think he's going to knock it out of the park.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Again, I find myself in disagreement with you. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> While not a dealbreaker in itself that Johnny Storm for absolutely no good reason turns black (sure, they can explain it away by changing his relationship to Sue - but why on earth do it??), I just find that grouped with all the other rumoured changes, the end result will be so far from FF that they might as well just have made it another piece of generic crap like Chronicle (the director's last superhero movie and reason for his man-crush on Michael B. Jordan)...</p><p> </p><p> Off the top of my head, here are the (semi-spoilerish) facts/rumors on the FF movie:</p><p> - Johnny Storm is black to make way for the director's man-crush.</p><p> - Reed and Ben get their powers as teenagers and grow up working for the government, meeting Sue and Johnny later in their lives.</p><p> - Dr. Doom is a woman.</p><p> - There will be no suits and no cosmic elements.</p><p> </p><p> So basically, they're removing 80 % of the stuff I connect with the FF. A few weeks ago, I read rumors that Fox were actually so unhappy with the director, after hearing fans complain, that they were looking for a last-minute replacement... but that's probably just wishful thinking by some news site... sadly. Personally, I'd throw in Brett Ratner and settle for another X-Men 3-ish clustermess compared to what Josh Trank has lined up...</p>

[Basmat01]

<p>Has anyone here seen Honest Trailers?</p><p> </p><p>

 

</p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/videoseries?list=PL86F4D497FD3CACCE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe></div></div>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>Bigoted: having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.</strong><p> </p><p> <strong>Non-Conformist: a person whose behavior or views do not conform to prevailing ideas or practices.</strong></p><p> </p><p> I use each word in correct sense of the term.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Dude, if you don't understand how calling someone a "bigot" for pointing out your ignorance isn't okay, you've got more serious issues than using the occasional word incorrectly. Hey look:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>=someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance on the basis of a person's opinion, ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics."</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>bigot: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; <em>especially </em>: a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group) [emphasis in original]</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's seriously not a good thing to do. Under the forum rules, it's pretty much just calling people names. You've got a habit of using a word's second cousin outside of its usual context. I didn't put a bell on you and make you live outside the forum, and I never "denigrated" your "comprehension," because to denigrate would imply that I had some unnecessarily critical or disparaging purpose in telling you basic facts like "Wolverine wasn't on the Avengers for decades." I also didn't force you to use the word "predispose" like this:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>at least I don't predispose another to showing he's not an imbecile like some people</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I mean, this is some Shakespearean irony.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway, did I get annoyed when someone who doesn't understand basic distinctions (like mutant/non-mutant) says something like:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anyways, I won't change my belief and I don't care to argue on a subject, I have little to no regard for obvious reasons.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes. Because just a few posts after having facts explained to you in several aspects of your original post, you made it clear that you weren't interested in even reading what others had to say. And then one post later you called me a bigot. It's almost ironic.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You could always PM me if you want to continue this argument, since this has very little to do with movies in general, but every time you ignore this comment, it becomes painfully obvious your just trying to feed your ego hoping that people will take your side in an argument that I've not once said you were wrong in.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd rather not, since you called me a bigot? Like, more than once? That's not a good thing to do!</p>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="masterded" data-cite="masterded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Here is the article I was talking about.<p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/08/miles-teller-on-what-appealed-to-him-about-the-fantastic-four-reboot" rel="external nofollow">http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/08/miles-teller-on-what-appealed-to-him-about-the-fantastic-four-reboot</a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> "When I read the script, I didn't feel like I was reading this larger-than-life, incredible supehero tale," he explained.</p><p> </p><p> Okay, that sounds dreadful. Maybe it <em>should</em> sound like a larger than life story?</p><p> </p><p> As far as Human Torch goes, I really don't care, but when you start adding it to all this other stuff, alarm bells start ringing. It sounds pretty awful.</p>

[delv213]

<p>How about quoting my entire post where it exposes you for what you're trying to do? Refer to my last post.</p><p> </p><p>

Also where are you getting your definition?</p><p>

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[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How about quoting my entire post where it exposes you for what you are? Also Where are you getting your definition? Keep feeding that ego by replying with your made up definitions. <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes, I made up the Merriam Webster definition and the accepted context. Again, namecalling is not okay! Please don't do it!</p>

[delv213]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes, I made up the Merriam Webster definition and the accepted context. Again, namecalling is not okay! Please don't do it!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've said numerous times, you could continue this conversation via PM's as I didn't care to reply because your opinion is biased mixed with the fact you already said you agreed that you were treating me as if I was a "pestilence". By definition that's makes you prejudiced against me and also by definition makes you a bigot. You've name called me before, I see it quite hypocritical for you to suddenly give your thought on it being "not okay".</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>And yes, I think the record will show I treated you exactly like a pestilence.</strong></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Anyways, I will not be replying to you for the simple fact that you obviously crave attention, refer to my long post(below) which you've so blatantly refused to quote. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> The funny thing about this whole thing is I've never once disagreed with anything other then your obvious intent on making me look uneducated. In an opinion based argument, nobody can be wrong and nobody can be right. It's not up to anyone debate if an opinion is right or wrong, if you don't understand that, it indeed does make you a bigot.</p><p> </p><p> You could always PM me if you want to continue this argument, since this has very little to do with movies in general, but every time you ignore this comment, it becomes painfully obvious your just trying to feed your ego hoping that people will take your side in an argument that I've not once said you were wrong in.</p></div></blockquote>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've said numerous times, you could continue this conversation via PM's as I didn't care to reply because your opinion is biased mixed with the fact you already said you agreed that you were treating me as if I was a "pestilence". By definition that's makes you prejudiced against me and also by definition makes you a bigot. You've name called me before, I see it quite hypocritical.<p> </p><p> Anyways, I will not be replying to you for the simple fact that you obviously crave attention, refer to my long post(below) which you've so blatantly refused to quote.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Dude, seriously. I already explained that I'm not going to exchange PMs with somebody that breaks forum rules and then tries to act like "bigot" isn't a hateful name to call someone. <em>I already explained this</em>. That's why I asked you not to do it any more?</p><p> </p><p> And yes, I agreed I treated you "like a pestilence." I definitely <em>wasn't</em> pointing out your tendency towards malapropisms. Or maybe I really did extract a strain of you, then use it to create a vaccine, then use the vaccine to cure millions? I don't remember. It was one or the other.</p>

[Jaysin]

<p>From the general code of conduct at the top of the forum.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So, with that in mind, here are some aspects that we feel make up a general code of conduct posters in the GDS forums need to adhere to:<p> </p><p> 1. Do not flame people in threads. Seems simple and this item alone helps make each topic much more interesting and will generate better overall discussions.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>2. Do not use personal attacks and insults. Resorting to this tactic when you disagree is a quick way to turn people off to your comments and make yourself somewhat irrelevant in discussions. Try to focus on making your point, not marginalizing yourself.</strong></p><p> </p><p> 3. Be respectful. This single act can make the time you spend at the GDS forums much more enjoyable for yourself and others around you.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote>

[Self]

On the topic of Fantastic Four, I can honestly say I'm looking forward to what Michael B. Jordan does as Human Torch. Being white is not part of the character. It's not like they're casting a white guy as Black Panther. Him being black and Sue being white is easily explainable. They can be half siblings, step siblings or one can be adopted. He's such a talented actor that I think he's going to knock it out of the park.

 

Like Hive, I disagree. Mildly disagree. To me, Johnny & Sue's relationship is as important an aspect of Johnny's character as being a hot-head who can set himself on fire. Having Johnny be black and Sue be white, while 'explainable', could (and I stress could) change that relationship. Maybe I'm undervaluing step/half sibling relationships (mine are practically strangers) but I do feel there's a risk of changing a fundamental character dynamic.

 

I've read of lot of folks getting attacked on forums for being against Jordan's casting, but... much like someone's critique of Sabertooth earlier in this thread, I think comic fans want to see comic characters spring onto the movie screen as faithfully as possible. There's nothing wrong with that. It's the same with book fans. Comics are such a visual medium that fans want the characters to look the same, and I'm sorry if this is un-PC of me, but ethnicity changes that. I can easily see why people would be upset now that their beloved childhood hero doesn't look like they imagined him.

[Hive]

I've read of lot of folks getting attacked on forums for being against Jordan's casting, but... much like someone's critique of Sabertooth earlier in this thread, I think comic fans want to see comic characters spring onto the movie screen as faithfully as possible. There's nothing wrong with that. It's the same with book fans. Comics are such a visual medium that fans want the characters to look the same, and I'm sorry if this is un-PC of me, but ethnicity changes that. I can easily see why people would be upset now that their beloved childhood hero doesn't look like they imagined him.

 

It's not even just about looks; the whole character dynamics with the others will be changed as a result. And for what exactly? What is the purpose of it other than cramming in the director's favorite actor? Is he trying to sell to us that noone else would be able to play Johnny Storm?

 

There will always be stuff they have to change from comics to the big screen, but there has to be limits. If you won't stay the least bit true to the comics, why bother making it at all? And it's not like a comic book character *must* be Dark Knight-ish with realism and angst; Marvel proved successfully many times already that a colorful and fantastic rendition with costumes and all that will work perfectly well.