wshred13 Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 <p>Yeah I was surprised at how many people are calling the fight a robbery. I though Machida would probably win a split decision (I scored 2 for Davis and 3 was definitely Machida's with round 1 being a toss up). I don't see why people get so worked up about decisions that are pretty dead even with little in the way of significant action where you are just splitting hairs by calling one of them a winner. </p><p> </p><p> I though Aldo was on his way to winning the decision and I really hope TKZ doesn't get an immediate rematch. I think it was only as competitive as it was because of Aldo's injury and Ricardo Lamas deserves the next shot.</p><p> </p><p> I thought Stann did great as well, but I still definitely prefer Rogan.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="wshred13" data-cite="wshred13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> only as competitive as it was because of Aldo's injury</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm starting to get pissed off now, every single time Aldo doesn't do as good as he does he blames it on something else, besides himself. Example, Hominick fight, weight cut.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wshred13 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="damonster" data-cite="damonster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm starting to get pissed off now, every single time Aldo doesn't do as good as he does he blames it on something else, besides himself. Example, Hominick fight, weight cut.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I understand that, but have you seen pictures of his foot? His offense was obviously neutered by not being able to use leg kicks. It would be like criticizing Faber for the second Mike Brown fight because he hurt both of his hands...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 <p><span>http://mmaboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jose-aldo-broken-foot.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> Do you really want to throw a kick with a foot like that?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="wshred13" data-cite="wshred13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I understand that, but have you seen pictures of his foot? His offense was obviously neutered by not being able to use leg kicks. </div></blockquote><p> He could still punch. I see it happy all the times when a champion doesn't think his opponent is as good as he is and is surprised and losses or doesn't preform as well. Like in the Penn vs. Edgar first fight, Edgar won, then Penn goes and says he lost because of a sinus infection. I understand that a lot of times these guys are headlining a UFC PPV, but if you have are ill or injured and won't be able to fight 100%, I think you should pull out of the fight. Now I know Aldo broke his foot during the fight and he couldn't have pulled out, he should have had a plan in case that happened, and not stand there taking punishment well trying to take the fight down.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="damonster" data-cite="damonster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He could still punch.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If you break your foot that badly you pretty much lose all of your punching power. Punches (when thrown correctly) start at the feet. Think of it as a whiplash effect from your toes to your fist. You post, push-off, pivot your hips and *then* strike. </p><p> </p><p> A broken foot also ruins your footwork, so you can cut angles, close distance or move around to set up your strikes as you normally would.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="damonster" data-cite="damonster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He could still punch. I see it happy all the times when a champion doesn't think his opponent is as good as he is and is surprised and losses or doesn't preform as well. Like in the Penn vs. Edgar first fight, Edgar won, then Penn goes and says he lost because of a sinus infection. I understand that a lot of times these guys are headlining a UFC PPV, but if you have are ill or injured and won't be able to fight 100%, I think you should pull out of the fight. Now I know <strong>Aldo broke his foot during the fight</strong> and he couldn't have pulled out, <strong>he should have had a plan in case that happened</strong>, and not stand there taking punishment well trying to take the fight down.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How can he have a plan on something that happened during the fight. He went in to the fight with a plan that fit his abilities at the time and once he broke his foot he couldn't follow that plan. Aldo actually had a legitimate excuse. Maybe you just want to justify KZ loss but it happens. Aldo broke his foot and KZ hurt his shoulder they each took advantage of that and in the end Aldo won. Maybe if hey fight again KZ might win but maybe Aldo will come in with a new plan and win quicker. who knows.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>How can he have a plan on something that happened during the fight.</strong> He went in to the fight with a plan that fit his abilities at the time and once he broke his foot he couldn't follow that plan. Aldo actually had a legitimate excuse. Maybe you just want to justify KZ loss but it happens. Aldo broke his foot and <strong>KZ hurt his shoulder</strong> they each took advantage of that and in the end Aldo won. Maybe if hey fight again KZ might win but maybe Aldo will come in with a new plan and win quicker. who knows.</div></blockquote><p> Why are police officers trained for terrorist situations? Because, the likely hood of it happening is slim, but if it does happen the police would know how to react. Call me dumb or naive, but if I were to ever get into prize fighting, I would have a main game plan, a plan B, a plan C and plans for situation like a broke foot/hand/arm/whatever.</p><p> </p><p> As for KZ "hurt" his shoulder, which he did, but worse then hurting his shoulder, he disconnected it and was unable to use it at all. The ref should have stopped the fight right away, but he probably didn't know and caused KZ to take an beating which he shouldn't have and, imo, was a worse way to lose. I would rather lose official by and injury then strikes, and it showed I didn't stop.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 <p>I used hurt since I couldn't remember if he dislocated or broke his shoulder I will accept that.</p><p> </p><p> But Aldo broke his foot in the first round and lasted until the 4 round where he saw an opportunity thanks to chance and took advantage. KZ showed he could beat Aldo which is understandable. No matter how good someone is they can be beat be it by injury or a lucky punch.</p><p> </p><p> The initial issue I had with your comments is that you're calling out Aldo for blaming his injury for not fighting as well as he normally does. I don't know of previous circumstances but this time it was true. Aldo uses low kicks to set up his punching and without them he couldn't fight normally. He has a valid "excuse" for his fighting style and taking punishment.</p><p> </p><p> About injury stoppage vs tko that your's opinion and I believe that it either loss method wouldn't have hurt him since the final result is a loss to a guy with a fractured foot. KZ's tough and skilled but Aldo survived him for 3 rounds with such an injury and KZ was unable to finish a offensively neutered Aldo.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 <p>If a fighter took an injury during or before the fight, it's absolutely a factor in the fight. You can't just discount that. Especially a broken foot. Everything from movement to punching power is severely affected. Normal people sprain foots and call out of desk jobs. He broke his and won a championship fight.</p><p> </p><p> That shouldn't be complained about as if it's an excuse. It should be respected and admired because there's very few sports and very few athletes within those sports who would continue int he same condition.</p><p> </p><p> I know Aldo's <em>FANS</em> (note: not aldo) always have an excuse for when he's not dominant, but I mean it's obvious to fan of his (or anyone who watches a few of his best fights) that he did not fight at a level we're typically used to seeing. So they're simply giving their opinion (int his case giving out facts) on why he wasn't fighting at that extremely high level.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Let me just say that I'm not a fan of Aldo. I don't pay attention much to the lower weight classes as much as I believe I should but I had heard about KZ and wanting to know his opponent I did my research on Aldo. Not enough to know much apart from his past one of two fights in terms of critical response. I have however seen enough of his fights to know his fighting style. I just felt that it wasn't fair for damonster to bash a fighter for getting legitimately injured and as such not fighting to the maximum abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damonster Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just felt that it wasn't fair for damonster to bash a fighter for getting legitimately injured and as such not fighting to the maximum abilities.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I never bashed Aldo, or didn't try to seem like I have, just I don't like it when fighters who are supposed to be way better then there opponent, but aren't and people make excuses. Yes Aldo broke his foot, yes it impacts his movement & punches, but no it does not mean he couldn't have fought well enough if he had a back up plan. But let's face it, I picked the wrong time to voice my opinions. Like with Silva/Weidman fight, I heard it a lot afterwards was that Weidman only won because Silva was cocky, but that's the way Silva has fought all the time, but Weidman saw that and knew how to answer that situation.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="damonster" data-cite="damonster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I never bashed Aldo, or didn't try to seem like I have, just I don't like it when fighters who are supposed to be way better then there opponent, but aren't and people make excuses. Yes Aldo broke his foot, yes it impacts his movement & punches, but no it does not mean he couldn't have fought well enough if he had a back up plan. But let's face it, I picked the wrong time to voice my opinions. Like with Silva/Weidman fight, I heard it a lot afterwards was that Weidman only won because Silva was cocky, but that's the way Silva has fought all the time, but Weidman saw that and knew how to answer that situation.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Concerning the Silva vs Weidman I'll just say that Weidman was too talented for Silva to clown around with and he paid the price. I do believe that a serious Silva can outmatch Weidman.</p><p> </p><p> No matter how god-like fighter is he can always be beat by a talented fighter. Silva was unable to accurately measure Weidman's punch and bam the undefeated streak is over. If KZ hadn't dislocated his shoulder he could have won the title. Maybe Jon Jones throws a wide punch and before he knows it someone closes the distance and uppercut.</p><p> </p><p> While I do think it is fair to call some of this guys the best pound for pound fighters in the world and put them on a pedestal what I think is that people forget that they are still human and can be beaten. You're not fighting Thor, Hulk or super-human Captain America. You're fighting a weaponless Hawkeye.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 but no it does not mean he couldn't have fought well enough if he had a back up plan. This is a ridiculous, uninformed statement to make. What exactly are you basing this on? That fact that you *think* he could? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 Obviously I have a personal bias as I work for them, but I really would encourage MMA fans here to check out what Cage Warriors are doing at the moment. If you're in the US, all our events stream live and free on MMAJunkie (prelims on facebook), with a repeat airing the following Monday. You can also get all the broadcast fights on our YouTube channel pretty sharpish too. We've had a crazy year already, with seven events in England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales and Dubai. In a couple of weeks we're off to Chechnya, to hold the country's first ever MMA card. Then we're back to Wales for a one night bantamweight tourney, followed by shows in London, Bahrain and Dagestan, with a couple more to confirm before our New Years Eve visit to Dublin. If you want high-level, well-matched MMA with great production values, look no further. The talent levels are going through the roof right now, and before long you'll be seeing plenty more CWFC champions following Conor McGregor into the UFC. Here's a link to the YouTube channel for all the fights, highlight reels and more: http://www.youtube.com/user/themmaclinic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Do you have some recommendations for past fights to watch, Brad? Not especially on a technical point of view but for an entertainment perspective. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Seems like Rousey might be an enfant terrible for the sport, instead of a gift as prophecised by some websites. She thinks on retiring after a couple more fights. Due to her hard background, I get it she wants to quit and take it easy after she found success in Hollywood. She earned some rest. In her current state, however, she'll never become a legend due to the amount of limited competition. I hope we at least get to see her fight Zingano & McMann at the very least. Given the progress of the division, it'll be doubtless if that's going to happen. It's safe to assume she'll beat Tate again, and then what? If she only wants to fight once more, she'll retire premature. I'm laughing at the current state of Bellator btw. Tito appearing at TNA seemed like a joke. I will watch the fight, but it's pointless promoting it this way. MMA fans will know and will watch. Wrestling addicts will not give a crap. If I were them I'd stick with promoting talent and present the company as a talent builder (like Cage Warriors). It shares the same pointless 'ambition' TNA has: to become no. 1. And it will never work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share Posted August 12, 2013 Do you have some recommendations for past fights to watch, Brad? Not especially on a technical point of view but for an entertainment perspective. Ahh, there are tons. Off the top of my head... Any Conor McGregor fight. Conor vs Buchinger was short and sweet, Coner vs Dave Hill was cool too. Ryan Roddy vs Wilson Reis, Jean N'Doye (remember that name) vs Liam James, Mohsn Bahari vs Piotr Ptasinski. Our Wales card on September 14th looks insane so far. Jim Alers defends his 145lb strap against Martin Svensson, and there is a one night bantamweight 4-man tourney featuring Martin McDonough, James Pennington, Brett Johns and David Haggstrom. All four are European top 10-ranked 135lbers. There's also UFC veteran Che Mills moving up to middleweight to take on Valentino Petrescu, who was on TUF: The Smashes, in a bout that has 'knock out' written all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 <p>World Series of Fighting 4 wasn't a bad card. This is my moment of the night:</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.mmaweekly.com/wsof-4-fight-video-highlights-one-armed-fighter-nick-newell-continues-to-defy-the-odds" rel="external nofollow">http://www.mmaweekly.com/wsof-4-fight-video-highlights-one-armed-fighter-nick-newell-continues-to-defy-the-odds</a></p><p> </p><p> Amazing. What heart, man.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 <p>I'd rather say: "what skills". He didn't need any heart to win this one. But I guess the fact that he actually fights professionally shows some heart.</p><p> </p><p> Also, what was that sweet melodious voice at the end? Was it Bas Rutten? <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd rather say: "what skills". He didn't need any heart to win this one. But I guess the fact that he actually fights professionally shows <strong><em>some</em></strong> heart.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Because we wouldn't talk about any other fighter who is 10-0 in a low-level org just because he pulled off a nice choke. We're talking about him due to an extreme disadvantage he has and how hard he's had to work to overcome it. That's determination, or in short, heart. And it blew me away.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share Posted August 12, 2013 <p>I'm not sold on Newell at all. Obviously the fact that he's managed to overcome a disability to compete in a combat sport is incredible and very news/praise worthy. </p><p> </p><p> I know a few (good) fighters who've trained with him, and they all say the same thing. He has certain things that he's very good at (heel hooks/rear naked chokes), and not a lot else. He'll never be a complete striker, for obvious reasons. I'd also be concerned with his ability to properly defend himself against an above average striker, or someone who can hold him down and hit him. </p><p> </p><p> On the plus side, his inability to use certain submissions means he spends a who lot of time working on the ones he can. The guys I was talking to who trained with him (one of them is in the UFC, one easily could be) really sang his praises when it came to his 'go to' moves. </p><p> </p><p> Will he be able to hang in Bellator, the UFC, or even against decent guys in the WSOF though? I'm not sure. When you look past the disability, there's nothing there that really screams out 'great fighter', or even 'above average fighter'. Whether that's because of his physical limitations or not, again I'm not sure. </p><p> </p><p> His assertion that he was only going to fight 'ex-UFC' guys was ridiculous as well. Good luck fighting any ex-UFC guy that isn't over-the-hill enough to potentially get another shot, because no manager is going to let a client that's recently been cut from the UFC fight a dude with one arm on national television.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 <p>So Eddie Alvarez and Bellator came to an agreement. Eddie will rematch Chandler (Michael, not Bing) on the undercard of the Ortiz-Rampage PPV. </p><p> </p><p> The deal means that Eddie won't have to sit out potentially another year or two, wasting his prime and killing his value. On the downside, it's now highly unlikely that we'll ever see him in the UFC. </p><p> </p><p> It also doesn't bode well for seeing any Bellator champions make the jump to the UFC when their contracts come up. The UFC would have to make obscenely over valued offers that Bellator would be unwilling or unable to match. </p><p> </p><p> Bellator have invoked their 'title fight rematch clause' to make the Alvarez/Chandler rematch happen. Essentially it means they can bypass their 'rule' of a fighter having to win a tourney to get a title shot. They also came up with a ridiculously convoluted point system yesterday for keeping champions active if a tourney winner can't fight due to injury. </p><p> </p><p> Both the points system and the PPV were put together for Bellator to cover themselves in this and future legal cases.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 <p>With Newell, I'm not saying the dude's a future UFC champion or anything. I was just blown away by the determination and hard work that must have gone into compensating for such a huge disadvantage. </p><p> </p><p> We watch sports to be entertained but every now and then we are moved and amazed.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wshred13 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="brashleyholland" data-cite="brashleyholland" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26660" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So Eddie Alvarez and Bellator came to an agreement. Eddie will rematch Chandler (Michael, not Bing) on the undercard of the Ortiz-Rampage PPV. <p> </p><p> The deal means that Eddie won't have to sit out potentially another year or two, wasting his prime and killing his value. On the downside, it's now highly unlikely that we'll ever see him in the UFC. </p><p> </p><p> It also doesn't bode well for seeing any Bellator champions make the jump to the UFC when their contracts come up. The UFC would have to make obscenely over valued offers that Bellator would be unwilling or unable to match. </p><p> </p><p> Bellator have invoked their 'title fight rematch clause' to make the Alvarez/Chandler rematch happen. Essentially it means they can bypass their 'rule' of a fighter having to win a tourney to get a title shot. They also came up with a ridiculously convoluted point system yesterday for keeping champions active if a tourney winner can't fight due to injury. </p><p> </p><p> Both the points system and the PPV were put together for Bellator to cover themselves in this and future legal cases.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm very happy that he's back. I hate seeing fighters waste away on the sidelines. I don't think he'd do particularly well in the UFC anyway, but his fights would probably be exciting as hell. </p><p> </p><p> IMO, Bellator needs to distance itself from tournaments (which it is already kind of doing). I love tournaments when they make sense, but you don't have to determine every title challenger with a tourney.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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