What grinds your gears?

[K-Nection]

People who believe in Karma and always have to make a point of saying, "What goes around, comes around." As if there was some sort of cosmic force that made people pay for their bad deeds.

 

I have always felt that Karma was such a silly thing to believe in. It is one of those things that people believe in because they have to believe that in the end the people who do wrong will get what is coming to them. Do not get me wrong it is a nice sentiment to believe in but it not something based in reality. Yet people swear that it is a fact.

 

If Karma is real how can a piece of human garbage like Charles Manson gets to die of old age and innocent children, who have never done anything wrong in their lives, around the world die in their infancy. If Karma was real Charles Manson would have died forty years ago.

 

You say this like he was on some island sipping on Lattes. He was in prison the last 40 years (where he belonged). I'm not debating you on the karma argument because I totally agree it doesn't exist. I just found the example you gave a little flawed.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You say this like he was on some island sipping on Lattes. He was in prison the last 40 years (where he belonged). I'm not debating you on the karma argument because I totally agree it doesn't exist. I just found the example you gave a little flawed.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You do know that the crazy bastard enjoyed living in prison as that had been pretty much the only life he knew. Before he was let out of prison in 1967 he begged to stay in prison because he viewed it as his home.</p><p> </p><p> His views on prison/prison life probably greatly differ from my views or your views. That is why I say my example stands ups because he ended up living a long life and he lived it exactly where he wanted to be.</p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You do know that the crazy bastard enjoyed living in prison as that had been pretty much the only life he knew. Before he was let out of prison in 1967 he begged to stay in prison because he viewed it as his home.<p> </p><p> His views on prison/prison life probably greatly differ from my views or your views. That is why I say my example stands ups because he ended up living a long life and he lived it exactly where he wanted to be.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I didn't consider that point and you are probably right. Sounded like he needed psychiatric help and should've been treated for it in 1967. Anyone begging to stay in prison is obviously not going to function properly in society let alone willfully contribute.</p>

[DeathZone2]

<p>What grinds my gears is the HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATION ugghh I hate them with a passion. My family moved there a year ago and these people are the worst, making us pay for stuff we never use, complaining about everything, expecting free stuff and worst of all expecting to be apart of everything. I turn 16 in a week but decided to hold my birthday party last night because I've got projects due anyway for weeks this old lady keeps asking me to invite her 15 year old granddaughter and I repeatedly and nicely say that only close friends and family are welcome, but no she persists for weeks and it got to the point where I just ignored her and then the party came and I had a few friends I invited but apparently they invited people that I didn't even like so a lot of people were there and this old cow comes ringing on my doorbell WITH HER GRANDDAUGHTER and just lets her in. It takes me half an hour of my own party to remove her. Then the old hag complains to the association about the noise. No one cared when she had a big blowout for her 70th but I make a bit of noise and it's an issue. Oh man that makes me angry beyond refute. Like seriously take a hint I don't like you leave me alone. Those idiots shut down my party, granted it was 2AM so it would have ended anyway but c'mon. I ended up having to spend my next morning getting yelled at by an old lady and the association for disrespect while her granddaughter just sat there looking like she was going to burst into tears at one point I just stopped listening grabbed my laptop and started playing TEW and boy did I that get on their nerves. They straight up demanded my parents take it. Like seriously who are you to decide these things, my parents understood where I came from yet you make me the bad guy. Pffff. </p><p>

Rant over</p><p> </p><p>

I realise I might come off as a self-righteous a-hole kid spoiled by the 21st century but my parents worked hard to move from a 1 bedroom apartment to this place with my siblings and honestly I couldn't care less what YOU think must go on in our house those people are the worst and blame America for this idea.</p>

[Questlove]

WoS being the worst wrestling show I've seen in years <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[DeathZone2]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Questlove" data-cite="Questlove" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WoS being the worst wrestling show I've seen in years <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Really it's that bad worse than 2016 impact, I mean with all the hype I thought it would be awesome</p>

[BHK1978]

<p>Those anti-cigarette commercials where they say that the tobacco companies target poor communities. While it is true, I find it annoying because of what the people in the commercial say. One guy says something like, "They don't care about us."</p><p> </p><p>

My thing is why should they? They are a business who is out to make money. Why should they care what happens to you?</p><p> </p><p>

Look anyone who started smoking cigarettes after 1960 or so (when it became widely known that smoking is a cause of cancer) knows exactly what will happen if they smoke the cancer sticks. If you are dumb enough to smoke you kind of get what is coming to you.</p><p> </p><p>

It does not matter what community you live in or if big tobacco is targeting you with ads. If you smoke it is all on you.</p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Those anti-cigarette commercials where they say that the tobacco companies target poor communities. While it is true, I find it annoying because of what the people in the commercial say. One guy says something like, "They don't care about us."<p> </p><p> My thing is why should they? They are a business who is out to make money. Why should they care what happens to you?</p><p> </p><p> Look anyone who started smoking cigarettes after 1960 or so (when it became widely known that smoking is a cause of cancer) knows exactly what will happen if they smoke the cancer sticks. If you are dumb enough to smoke you kind of get what is coming to you.</p><p> </p><p> It does not matter what community you live in or if big tobacco is targeting you with ads. If you smoke it is all on you.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I had smoked for 20 years and just quit smoking 2 years ago. I have been told going into it that they cause cancer but I had bad parenting and most of my peers smoked too.</p><p> </p><p> But I was 9 and couldn't realistically weigh long term effects of anything so yeah....</p><p> </p><p> By the time I could actually properly weigh those decisions I was so badly hooked (about 2 packs a day) it was a struggle to kick the habit.</p><p> </p><p> Also I had a lot of deep seated issues that needed addressing and smoking was a coping mechanism (a very bad one) at dealing with them. I had to get mentally happy before I could actually quit because any attempt before would just lead to relapse.</p><p> </p><p> Moral of the story don't let your kids smoke and make sure they get therapy when needed lol.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I had smoked for 20 years and just quit smoking 2 years ago. I have been told going into it that they cause cancer but I had bad parenting and most of my peers smoked too.<p> </p><p> But I was 9 and couldn't realistically weigh long term effects of anything so yeah....</p><p> </p><p> By the time I could actually properly weigh those decisions I was so badly hooked (about 2 packs a day) it was a struggle to kick the habit.</p><p> </p><p> Also I had a lot of deep seated issues that needed addressing and smoking was a coping mechanism (a very bad one) at dealing with them. I had to get mentally happy before I could actually quit because any attempt before would just lead to relapse.</p><p> </p><p> Moral of the story don't let your kids smoke and make sure they get therapy when needed lol.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Congrats. You and my brother sound a like on that. He quite about 5 years ago. </p><p> </p><p> Smoking like any other addiction isn’t something a lot of people know the long term effects of when they are young. While yes it’s your own fault you start smoking, and have to choose to stop, addiction is a hard thing to break and the cavalier attitude toward addiction but a great number of people is funny, when in reality most people are addicted to something. </p><p> </p><p> Most everything claims to give you cancer, but the reality is Smoking does NOT cause cancer, but can heighten the chance of cancer. </p><p> </p><p> My mother was diagnosed with Cancer December 24th 2016. Had surgery on Jan 11 2017 was told she had at most 3 months to live, shes still alive and fighting. She smoked uowards of 2-3 packs a day, the doctors told her, the leading cause of hers? Prolonged use of ibuprofen. The cancer isn’t in her lungs, but her stomach and such, smoking did not have an effect.</p><p> </p><p> So the whole cancer sticks, or smoking causes cancer is false. You are just as likely to get cancer from processed food, caffeine, the sun, salt water, bananas, and so on. </p><p> </p><p> Again Kudos fir quitting K. It’s healthier to not smoke.</p><p> </p><p> Also. Sorry fir my rant. <span class="ipsEmoji">😛</span>. But I guess it grinds my gears when people claim something gives you cancer, when in fact cancer is like Russian roulette.</p>

[K-Nection]

<p>I've done a lot of research on addiction because I was tired of relapsing. It was easy for me to put the pack down but I would always go back to it easily. Eventually I realized I was slipping in and out of depression and if I was addicted to anything harder than cigarettes I would have just latched onto those things as well.</p><p> </p><p>

I ended up getting counseling and when I settled those issues it was really easy to keep them down.</p><p> </p><p>

Congrats to your brother as well. In all honesty when I see someone smoking a cigarette now I think it looks absolutely amazing but smells terrible lol <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've done a lot of research on addiction because I was tired of relapsing. It was easy for me to put the pack down but I would always go back to it easily. Eventually I realized I was slipping in and out of depression and if I was addicted to anything harder than cigarettes I would have just latched onto those things as well.<p> </p><p> I ended up getting counseling and when I settled those issues it was really easy to keep them down.</p><p> </p><p> Congrats to your brother as well. In all honesty when I see someone smoking a cigarette now I think it looks absolutely amazing but smells terrible lol <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> YES! The smell is horrible.</p>

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I had smoked for 20 years and just quit smoking 2 years ago. I have been told going into it that they cause cancer but I had bad parenting and most of my peers smoked too.<p> </p><p> But I was 9 and couldn't realistically weigh long term effects of anything so yeah....</p><p> </p><p> By the time I could actually properly weigh those decisions I was so badly hooked (about 2 packs a day) it was a struggle to kick the habit.</p><p> </p><p> Also I had a lot of deep seated issues that needed addressing and smoking was a coping mechanism (a very bad one) at dealing with them. I had to get mentally happy before I could actually quit because any attempt before would just lead to relapse.</p><p> </p><p> Moral of the story don't let your kids smoke and make sure they get therapy when needed lol.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Good on you. </p><p> </p><p> I know what I said might sound harsh but I feel that way about anything like that when it comes to addiction (drugs, smoking, drinking, over eating, etc.).</p><p> </p><p> For instance I drink way too much soda, I know it is terrible for me and I still drink it. That being said if/when the time comes and I have a heart attack for drinking so much soda, I do not want people to feel bad because of a choice I willingly made. I know am dumb for drinking this crap but I still choose to drink it. </p><p> </p><p> The thing with cigarettes for me is, my whole life it was hammered into my head that if you smoke you get cancer. Two of my grandparents died at an early age from smoking as well as various other members of my family. In school I was taught from an early age not to smoke.</p><p> </p><p> Therefore, when my peers started to do it in middle school as a way to rebel and look "cool", I never felt the urge to join them. Also, I find cigarettes to be a huge waste of money and I will freely admit I am cheap and I am not willing to set my money on fire which is what I feel one does when they smoke.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Congrats. You and my brother sound a like on that. He quite about 5 years ago. <p> </p><p> Smoking like any other addiction isn’t something a lot of people know the long term effects of when they are young. While yes it’s your own fault you start smoking, and have to choose to stop, addiction is a hard thing to break and the cavalier attitude toward addiction but a great number of people is funny, when in reality most people are addicted to something. </p><p> </p><p> Most everything claims to give you cancer, but the reality is Smoking does NOT cause cancer, but can heighten the chance of cancer. </p><p> </p><p> My mother was diagnosed with Cancer December 24th 2016. Had surgery on Jan 11 2017 was told she had at most 3 months to live, shes still alive and fighting. She smoked uowards of 2-3 packs a day, the doctors told her, the leading cause of hers? Prolonged use of ibuprofen. The cancer isn’t in her lungs, but her stomach and such, smoking did not have an effect.</p><p> </p><p> So the whole cancer sticks, or smoking causes cancer is false. You are just as likely to get cancer from processed food, caffeine, the sun, salt water, bananas, and so on. </p><p> </p><p> Again Kudos fir quitting K. It’s healthier to not smoke.</p><p> </p><p> Also. Sorry fir my rant. . But I guess it grinds my gears when people claim something gives you cancer, when in fact cancer is like Russian roulette.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First off I am sorry to hear that about your mother and I am glad to read that she's still battling.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I guess you know more than medical professionals now.<img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> The next thing I expect you to say is the world is flat and everything is fake news.</p><p> </p><p> This is from the American Cancer Society's webpage (you know the real experts)...</p><p> </p><p> Smoking not only <strong>causes cancer</strong>. It can damage nearly every organ in the body, including the lungs, heart, blood vessels, reproductive organs, mouth, skin, eyes, and bones.</p><p> </p><p> Here is a link to the site just in case you are one of those fake news people and you want to read if for yourself (this is a legit link, not a troll link).</p><p> </p><p> <a href="https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/health-risks-of-smoking-tobacco.html" rel="external nofollow">https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/health-risks-of-smoking-tobacco.html</a></p><p> </p><p> I am not saying that cigarettes are the only cause of cancer, because that is obviously not true. However, I find it ignorant to say that smoking them does not cause cancer.</p><p> </p><p> Obviously this will be my only reply to this because I loathe debating stuff on the internet because it is a huge waste of time.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<p>That report reads like a giant contradiction. If smoking caused cancer every smoker would have cancer. </p><p> </p><p>

My great grandfather smoked from the age of 12 till he died at 102 of old age. </p><p> </p><p>

The proof in life outweighs a report. While smoking increases the risk of cancer it won’t give you cancer. Cells splitting and becoming deformed is what cancer is. Smoking is like rolling dice. It can up the chsnces but it doesn’t force the cell to become cancerous. </p><p> </p><p>

You hate debating because you don’t bother knowing facts.</p>

[Derek B]

<p>Smoking causes cancer.</p><p> </p><p>

The problem is, you can't attribute cancer to one specific cause all of the time. IF you had a million time lines and measured the effects of smoking on one person in each, then you could see how often it truly does. But we can't look at it like that... but people who smoke die younger, the cancer rate is higher and the associated other problems related to it can kill them or shorten their lifespan in other ways.</p><p> </p><p>

It's faster to say that smoking kills. It's not 100% accurate in all cases, but it's still true. And to say otherwise is to be incorrect.</p><p> </p><p>

PLus... it smells bad and is expensive. Seriously, people can have so many better things than that.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<p>I agree it’s a nasty and expensive. <span class="ipsEmoji">😛</span></p><p> </p><p>

I guess my biggest issue is the wording. As it can lead to cancer, but doesn’t mean it will happen. I get saying it kills is quicker.</p><p> </p><p>

Also I’ll apologize fir my rant as I get testy when people talk about addiction as if it’s something someone wakes up one day and says. I’m going to become addicted to something. Addiction is a hard thing to overcome in a lot of people and can have underlying factors. A lot of people addicted to painkillers started taking Tylenol because of pain. They aren’t addicted to the pills, but the feeling, or lack of feeling that the pills give, and to not understand addiction, but act so nonchalant about it is asinine. </p><p> </p><p>

And now I’ll be good. <span class="ipsEmoji">😛</span></p>

[BHK1978]

<p>Mods you know the drill. If this is too offensive or is in anyway against TOS for users on this site, then feel free to delete this post.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You hate debating because you don’t bother knowing facts.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I just want to say that I have come to the following conclusions strictly in dealing with you on here and how you have reacted and interacted with me and others on here in the past. You may be completely different in the real world...</p><p> </p><p> Nope, I hate debating on the internet because it is a complete waste of time. I honestly do not see the point of going back and forth with someone for days on end over trivial stuff. I often do not even think I am talking to other people, I just view other people on the internet as words on the screen. I Especially hate debating with someone like you. </p><p> </p><p> You come into every argument/debate automatically thinking you are right and the other person with the differing opinion is an idiot. You seem to think your opinion is fact and you never seem to understand that there could be an opposing views because you are so dogmatic in your way of thinking. There is no debating someone like you because of this. </p><p> </p><p> Honestly you remind me of President Trump in that respect. You seem to automatically think you are the smartest person in the room, but if you talk enough it becomes clear that is not the case. </p><p> </p><p> For me I do try to see/understand other views (Key word is try, sometimes I cannot understand why people view the world in a certain way. For instance racists, I find it highly absurd to hate someone for the color of their skin and I can see no reason to hate someone for something so idiotic. ) even if it may not come across that way. Sure there are things that I truly believe in, but I try to have as malleable as a viewpoint as I possibly can have. I have radically changed my opinion on various subjects in the past because someone has brought me around to their way of thinking. </p><p> </p><p> Note, coming at others with the viewpoint that they are wrong/dumb and you are automatically right is a poor way to get people to see your side. I think a great deal of the political unrest in America is because both sides refuse to hear what the other has to say. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also I’ll apologize fir my rant as I get testy when people talk about addiction as if it’s something someone wakes up one day and says. I’m going to become addicted to something. Addiction is a hard thing to overcome in a lot of people and can have underlying factors. A lot of people addicted to painkillers started taking Tylenol because of pain. They aren’t addicted to the pills, but the feeling, or lack of feeling that the pills give, and to not understand addiction, but act so nonchalant about it is asinine.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I have said this in the past when talking about addiction I personally am not talking about people who get addicted to pain pills through no fault of their own. I am purely talking about people who get addicted to illegal drugs or other stuff that is known to be addictive. </p><p> </p><p> Yes I know nobody wakes up one day and says, "Well today will be a great day to become an addict." However, folks do choose to take that first drink of alcohol, they choose to do meth or any other illegal substances, they choose to smoke their first cigarette. In a sense they are choosing to become addicted to those things because the vast majority of people know that those things could end up killing you.</p><p> </p><p> Growing up all I ever heard was Nancy Reagan saying, "Just say no." For me personally I saw first hands the horrors of addiction and I have lost relatives and friends because they did not say no. I vowed to never be foolish enough to bother with stuff like that (Well I do drink far too much soda but I am trying to cut back and I do have the occasional beer. But I never consume alcohol to the excess) no matter how much peer pressure I faced. Which let's be honest that is probably the dumbest excuse I have ever heard. Being willing to mess up your life so others will like you. </p><p> </p><p> Now I am far from straight edged and I truly do not care what one does to themselves as long as you are not harming someone else. However, I still reserve the right to view you as foolish for making such a dumb decision. </p><p> </p><p> Dealing with that stuff personally has made me less sympathetic. I do not have any sympathy for addicts, I feel bad for the people around them that have to deal with their addiction.</p><p> </p><p> Now I will eagerly await your insulting post where you type fir a thousand times in a row (I mean look no judgement, we all make typos I make a ton of them. But fir? Really? You cannot go back and fix that when it is the same typo in every post you make...). I am truly done and happy trails to you until we meet again.</p>

[Kingster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Mods you know the drill. If this is too offensive or is in anyway against TOS for users on this site, then feel free to delete this post.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not a mod, but there's nothing offensive about your posts. </p><p> At least not as offensive as claiming you're just as likely to get cancer from eating bananas than from smoking cigarettes.</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="moon_lit_tears" data-cite="moon_lit_tears" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That report reads like a giant contradiction. If smoking caused cancer every smoker would have cancer. <p> </p><p> My great grandfather smoked from the age of 12 till he died at 102 of old age. </p><p> </p><p> The proof in life outweighs a report. While smoking increases the risk of cancer it won’t give you cancer. Cells splitting and becoming deformed is what cancer is. Smoking is like rolling dice. It can up the chsnces but it doesn’t force the cell to become cancerous. </p><p> </p><p> You hate debating because you don’t bother knowing facts.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If I were you I'd stay far away from any scientific profession. Is it so hard to grasp the result of the studies that basically prove - 99% accurate - that smoking causes cancer? It's obviously not a 1-1-relation. So yeah, you might be rolling the dice, but at 99% odds - and without giving away spoilers - I don't think you're going to be winning. Sure, there's people who live superhealthily and get cancer, there's chain smokers who never do. But that doesn't change the facts at all.</p><p> </p><p> Not to cause anymore conflict, but it's indeed pointless to debate people like you who are seemingly oblivious to the difference between factual information and random "factoids". It's incredibly dangerous to base your lifestyle and opinion on one sole casus. Saying bananas cause as much cancer as sigarettes is a way of telling the rest of the board you're devoid of any sense as you're not making much of it. No offense.</p><p> </p><p> @BHK1978: It's nice you experienced what you did, causing you to stay away from addictive substances that can be harmful, but saying you should "just say no" is a little short-sighted. It's not "all on you", but more what K-Nection says: it's about parenting and shaping a healthy environment for your kid. At that tender age, you don't know right from wrong and are very susceptible to addictive effects. When it gets a hold on you, it's very hard to escape the effects of habituation, especially when smoking is the sole constant factor in your life. You can let your adolescent kids smoke a cigarette (never forbid it or they'll just do it behind your back), but always provide the necessary context.</p><p> </p><p> That being said, if you start smoking at the age of 18, then your "all on you" statement is definitely correct, provided they know what they're in for and aren't denying the facts because of whatever reason.</p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27610" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The thing with cigarettes for me is, my whole life it was hammered into my head that if you smoke you get cancer. Two of my grandparents died at an early age from smoking as well as various other members of my family. In school I was taught from an early age not to smoke.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My whole family smoked and they died from everything else non smoking related. (Disclaimer: I'm not saying smoking is good because it will kill you in some form or fashion if you continue to do it. I'm only using this as an example as relation to me growing up)</p><p> Paternal Grandfather - Diabetes </p><p> Paternal Grandmother - Still Alive</p><p> Father - Drunk Driver (But he was a heroin addict so that would have gotten him eventually)</p><p> Maternal Grandfather - Colon Cancer (caused by drinking and lack of preventative care. He technically beat the cancer but died from leukemia instead but its easier to say colon cancer)</p><p> Maternal Grandmother - Overdose on prescription medication (thank you opioid epidemic from the 90's! Big Pharma is awesome! [sarcasm])</p><p> Mother - Still Alive (smoking might actually take her soon because she has asthma and is still dumb enough to keep smoking)</p><p> </p><p> The thing is growing up I've seen my family drop from everything else non smoking related so when teachers tell me smoking causes cancer it just didn't stick. God knows my parents were not good drivers of this point either. </p><p> </p><p> Also I smoked until I was 12 without my parents knowledge as convenient stores used to have their cartons of cigarettes in the aisles. I would just go wearing a thick jacket with an inside pocket and steal them. I would buy a candy bar to not raise too much suspicion but I would do this all the time at different stores. I lived around 15 different gas stations so I never had the go into the same one in the same year. It was a game to me and thinking back on it I was smart and an idiot at the same time.</p><p> </p><p> When my parents did find out about me smoking they never even questioned how I was getting them but instead just started buying them for me. I never really knew what it was like to buy them for myself until I moved out.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> As far as the debate between you and moon goes there has been things coming out about cancer that is interesting. She is not wrong on how cancer is caused as it is looking more and more like a genetics thing rather then everyone who does x will lead to y.</p><p> </p><p> Now people who have cancer in their genetics are more likely to get cancer from smoking but it is not the end all. But it will eventually kill you from some other type of lung disease like emphysema. So technically you are both right.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<p>I guess I’m more open minded than most. I like how Derek put it, that it’s easier to write things one way over another. </p><p> </p><p>

Scientific proof, cancer is caused by cell mutation. Smoking heightens the risk of a mutation, but on its own does nit cause the mutation. Therefore it’s not THE cause, but CAN cause. </p><p> </p><p>

I’m nit against science, but let’s be honest. Science is based off probabilities and the facts change all the time. I’m nit saying that to be condacending, but as truth. Over the years things have changed. Scientists find more evidence of one thing or another, the truths become false, and a new truth is put out. </p><p> </p><p>

@Blackman. How do scientists conduct their studies? They are honestly based on factoids. When something like cancer comes up, no one knows how it starts, or even a full cure fir it right now yeah they have Chemo and radiation, but that’s hit or miss too. The number of people who have died from a crap immune system do to treatment is staggering, but I look at personal experiences with it. I know 2 people who have gone through, or are going through treatment. Both are still alive after them, and one has been cancer free since she was 18. Science says she should be dead. Doctors gave my mom 2 months. A year and a half later she’s still alive. </p><p> </p><p>

I’m not saying I have the answers, far from it in fact. Hell I never thought about what cancer could do, till it hit my mom. Since then I’ve read everything I could get my hands on which in itself can be bad because let’s face it. The internet is full of self diagnosers. </p><p> </p><p>

I don’t rule out science, just the opposite, but like cancer research, over the past twenty years the facts have changed so much on how it’s caused, how it reacts, how it’s treated, and what a person should do, that no one knows what way is up anymore.</p>

[moon_lit_tears]

<p>Sorry fir the double post. BHK. I’ve said very little on anything you post in the past year in fact this is the second one, only because I’ve grown up with addiction all around me. I’ve watched someone I love get addicted at the age of 14 and way h it get worse and worse and felt helpless. He died at the age of 21. He didn’t choose addiction, he tried to fight it daily, but in the end the addiction won. </p><p> </p><p>

I agree that at the age of 18 if you’re nit predisposed to drugs or alcohol it’s your choice, but most addictions start young.</p>

[KeyserSoze]

<p>In a much more lightearthed tone...</p><p> </p><p>

"What grinds your gears?"</p><p> </p><p>

TEW 2016. Today I received a mail with a meeting with a person of <strong>BCG </strong>(Boston Consulting Group), and my first though "Oh man, I'll meet Funakoshi!"</p>

[BHK1978]

Being told by everyone (both on and off the internet) and their brother that I should go vote today. I have not missed voting in an election (I might have missed a couple of primary elections but where I am from they really do not count.) since I was able to vote, so please stop telling me to vote.

[K-Nection]

I'm curious how Article 13 would effect this forum? This forum is based in the UK am I right? Wouldn't that mean that we would not be able to post pics or gifs or god forbid memes??

[Big Roguey]

I'm curious how Article 13 would effect this forum? This forum is based in the UK am I right? Wouldn't that mean that we would not be able to post pics or gifs or god forbid memes??

 

IIRC GDS is a US company on account of Arlie being the head honcho. Meme away friendo.