Offical NHL Discussion Thread

[GatorBait19]

I figure with baseball, football, and basketball why not hockey.

 

 

Well to start off

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=5217529

 

This is huge news in hockey today. First Stevie Y goes to a team not that far away from contending. Obivous they need to find a coach who will light a fire under Vinny L. while keeping Stamkos in the same direction.

 

Biggest need for the Lightning will be a goalie. With Evgeni Nabokov on the market this year there could be a big chance to get him to Tampa.

[BHK1978]

Well I know next to nothing about hockey (I do from time to time go and watch the Providence Bruins play), but I will say this:

 

I want to see the Blackhawks win, it has been a long time since they have won Lord Stanley's Cup and I would hate to see them lose to a team that was a seven seed.

[GatorBait19]

Well I know next to nothing about hockey (I do from time to time go and watch the Providence Bruins play), but I will say this:

 

I want to see the Blackhawks win, it has been a long time since they have won Lord Stanley's Cup and I would hate to see them lose to a team that was a seven seed.

 

I am pulling for the Blackhawks and Hossa lol, he's been twice and lost each time.

 

I wonder, has a player ever been to the SC three times in a row, with three different teams?

[LoganRodzen]

My Bruins were eliminated after having an 0-3 series lead in the semi-finals. NHL doesn't matter to me until next season.

[The Final Countdown]

My hope is that the NHL goes into a sudden lockout during the finals, so neither the Blackhawks or the Flyers get to win the Cup.

[GatorBait19]

2-0 baby.

 

 

EDIT: Darn 2-1

[GatorBait19]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/news/story?id=5392170

 

wow

[BHK1978]

My problem with Hockey is they expanded way to quickly. And what has it done for them? Well those nice Southern markets that they went to are now all dried up.

[Slagaholic]

Yzerman has made a few good moves, the trade for Gagne today is potentially one of them. But as a Flyer fan I gotta say that while Gagne is only 30 he's a very old 30. He's slowed down considerably in the last few years and has been incredibly injury prone. He's already had three concussions which should be a real concern for the Lightning. I bring this up because Yzerman declared that he thought that Gagne is "over" his past injuries. He may be over the foot injury, he may be over the sports hernia, but he will never be "over" three concussions. I'm honestly shocked that a general manager of a major sports franchise (let alone an ex-player!) is this ignorant of multiple head injuries. I hope Gagne plays well and stays healthy in Tampa, but I can't say that I expect it to happen.

[GatorBait19]

Yzerman has made a few good moves, the trade for Gagne today is potentially one of them. But as a Flyer fan I gotta say that while Gagne is only 30 he's a very old 30. He's slowed down considerably in the last few years and has been incredibly injury prone. He's already had three concussions which should be a real concern for the Lightning. I bring this up because Yzerman declared that he thought that Gagne is "over" his past injuries. He may be over the foot injury, he may be over the sports hernia, but he will never be "over" three concussions. I'm honestly shocked that a general manager of a major sports franchise (let alone an ex-player!) is this ignorant of multiple head injuries. I hope Gagne plays well and stays healthy in Tampa, but I can't say that I expect it to happen.

 

He isn't. That is Yzerman just feeding the media. The Gagne trade was an excellent move by Yzerman for a couple reasons.

 

1) It allowed him to get rid of a contract that would have sat on the books for another 3 or 4 years for Gagne's that expires next year and sets Yzerman up for the 2011 Free agent class (Brand Richards who still lives on Davis Island in Tampa and never wanted to leave, Joe Thornton, Mikko Koivu, Alexander Semin, Zdeno Chara, Andrei Markov, Tomas Kaberle, Tomas Vokoun, and Ilya Bryzgalov)

 

2) Steve Stamkos rookie contract is up next year and will be inline for a huge payday

 

3) If this works out it could give the Lightning a huge scoring threat to put next to St. Louis and Vinny Lecavalier who both (even with Vinny's down year) are already big scoring threats.

 

 

So again the whole he is over the injuries is just Yzerman feeding the media, to him it's a win no matter the outcome. If Gagne stays healthy and adds a nice package with Vinny and Marty then he could be signed cheap next year. If not, well then he atleast got rid of a guy who was no longer in the plans for someone in the last year of his contract.

[Candyman]

Yzerman has made a few good moves, the trade for Gagne today is potentially one of them. But as a Flyer fan I gotta say that while Gagne is only 30 he's a very old 30. He's slowed down considerably in the last few years and has been incredibly injury prone. He's already had three concussions which should be a real concern for the Lightning. I bring this up because Yzerman declared that he thought that Gagne is "over" his past injuries. He may be over the foot injury, he may be over the sports hernia, but he will never be "over" three concussions. I'm honestly shocked that a general manager of a major sports franchise (let alone an ex-player!) is this ignorant of multiple head injuries. I hope Gagne plays well and stays healthy in Tampa, but I can't say that I expect it to happen.

 

I would say it's more the GM of a major sports franchise knows more than you (no offense) than him being ignorant of anything. Obviously their doctors have looked and him and know exactly where he stands. It's easy to look at the fact that he has three concussions and say things like that, but I don't think the people who have all the information are the ignorant ones. If Steve Yzerman says he's over his injuries, odds are he's over his injuries.

 

I do agree that he's an old 30, though. He came right into the NHL after the draft and has been there ever since. But they didn't give up a ton for him and he's not going to be expected to carry the team. That franchise is definitely going in the right direction.

[Slagaholic]

He isn't. That is Yzerman just feeding the media.

That would make his comment even worse in my eyes. I'm worried for Gagne. He was my favorite Flyer growing up. If Yzerman really thinks that Gagne has just "gotten over" multiple concussions, he's potentially putting Gagne in danger. The thought that Yzerman said it just feed the media that is at very best horrifying. Openly minimizing the damage caused by brain trauma in any way, shape, or form is unacceptable.

 

With all the information we have on what the long term damage head injuries can and do cause, it horrifies me that a GM will minimize the effects to simply make the media feel better. If the GMs won't admit that multiple concussions can cause long term damage and will make him extremely susceptible to future concussions, who will? Who should be responsible for telling the public that you don't just shake off head injuries? The team doctor doesn't get interviewed by the media unless something awful has already happened. The player won't say anything because it's his job on the line. The league will banned head hunting hits, which is all well and good but it isn't enough. I'm not blaming Yzerman for not taking a stand on behalf of all people who have ever had a concussion. But for him to lie to the media so blatantly is an embarrassment. If his lie is allowed to stand unchallenged no one from the NHL or the Lightening organization to say anything to the contrary it's a tragedy.

 

I would say it's more the GM of a major sports franchise knows more than you (no offense) than him being ignorant of anything. Obviously their doctors have looked and him and know exactly where he stands. It's easy to look at the fact that he has three concussions and say things like that, but I don't think the people who have all the information are the ignorant ones. If Steve Yzerman says he's over his injuries, odds are he's over his injuries.

 

I know that Yzerman knows more about hockey than I do. But he would have to be an absolute fool to think that someone can just "get over" multiple concussions. If the team doctor told Yzerman that Gagne brain is 100% after three concussions he should have his medical license revoked. This is a man's life. There is overwhelming evidence that shows that can't possibly be true.

 

Unless Yzerman or Tampa's team doctor haa made a break through in the treatment of head injuries and has discovered a way to eliminate the almost certainty that he will suffer at least one more concussion in his playing career, I'd love to see their research.

 

I know this isn't all that Yzerman meant when he said Gagne is over his injuries, but he should be far more responsible with his words. The long term effects of brain trauma should never be minimized and that's precisely what he did. Be it to make the media/fans feel better or his own willful ignorance, it's an unconscionable mistake.

 

I went off in this post but this is a personal issue for me and honestly as wrestling fans we should know that concussions are not to be dismissed.

[GatorBait19]

That would make his comment even worse in my eyes. I'm worried for Gagne. He was my favorite Flyer growing up. If Yzerman really thinks that Gagne has just "gotten over" multiple concussions, he's potentially putting Gagne in danger. The thought that Yzerman said it just feed the media that is at very best horrifying. Openly minimizing the damage caused by brain trauma in any way, shape, or form is unacceptable.

 

With all the information we have on what the long term damage head injuries can and do cause, it horrifies me that a GM will minimize the effects to simply make the media feel better. If the GMs won't admit that multiple concussions can cause long term damage and will make him extremely susceptible to future concussions, who will? Who should be responsible for telling the public that you don't just shake off head injuries? The team doctor doesn't get interviewed by the media unless something awful has already happened. The player won't say anything because it's his job on the line. The league will banned head hunting hits, which is all well and good but it isn't enough. I'm not blaming Yzerman for not taking a stand on behalf of all people who have ever had a concussion. But for him to lie to the media so blatantly is an embarrassment. If his lie is allowed to stand unchallenged no one from the NHL or the Lightening organization to say anything to the contrary it's a tragedy.

 

 

 

I know that Yzerman knows more about hockey than I do. But he would have to be an absolute fool to think that someone can just "get over" multiple concussions. If the team doctor told Yzerman that Gagne brain is 100% after three concussions he should have his medical license revoked. This is a man's life. There is overwhelming evidence that shows that can't possibly be true.

 

Unless Yzerman or Tampa's team doctor haa made a break through in the treatment of head injuries and has discovered a way to eliminate the almost certainty that he will suffer at least one more concussion in his playing career, I'd love to see their research.

 

I know this isn't all that Yzerman meant when he said Gagne is over his injuries, but he should be far more responsible with his words. The long term effects of brain trauma should never be minimized and that's precisely what he did. Be it to make the media/fans feel better or his own willful ignorance, it's an unconscionable mistake.

 

I went off in this post but this is a personal issue for me and honestly as wrestling fans we should know that concussions are not to be dismissed.

 

when was the last concussion again, I can't remember. You have good points and a concussion in any sport can't be dismissed. We have to remember that with Yzerman he might have said it for the media, but also he might have said it because Gagne isn't experiencing any symptoms anymore.

[Slagaholic]

2008 is when he had his last major concussion.

[GatorBait19]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slagaholic" data-cite="Slagaholic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28025" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>2008 is when he had his last major concussion.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So two years, he shouldn't be feeling signs of them anymore. I guess we will have to take a wait and see approach with this one.</p>

[Jaysin]

Random question; I haven't watched hockey in years and I plan getting back into this year. When does the season start? Or preseason if hockey has one. I feel dumb asking this, but I miss being excited over more than just football season.

 

and just to throw it out there, I'm a Penguins fan. The last time the Penguins won the Stanley Cup(08-09 year?) my mom was able to meet Mario Lemieux and get him to sign a picture for me. That was so cool. He was my favorite player growing up.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="28025" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Random question; I haven't watched hockey in years and I plan getting back into this year. When does the season start? Or preseason if hockey has one. I feel dumb asking this, but I miss being excited over more than just football season. <p> </p><p> and just to throw it out there, I'm a Penguins fan. The last time the Penguins won the Stanley Cup(08-09 year?) my mom was able to meet Mario Lemieux and get him to sign a picture for me. That was so cool. He was my favorite player growing up. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I am not a huge hockey fan either but I believe the pre-season starts in late September or early October. I could be wrong and if I am can someone who knows correct me.</p>

[GatorBait19]

So I didn't think Chara was trying to end anyone's career with that hit, but now the authority in Montreal are looking into filing criminal charges.

[PoisonedSuperman]

Canadian police do weird things, well weird to me, Dave Winfield (I believe) got in trouble for hitting a bird with a baseball, that he hit deep into the outfield.

 

PS: Brad Boyes is the man!!

[GatorBait19]

Lol, I mean we are talking about a sport that let's face it endorses hitting. Sure they are trying to talk about how they can make it to where hits go down, but that's like the NFL giving fines out for big hits. Are they doing it to protect the players or do they have another motive behind it (NFL it's 18 games).

 

Hockey is about hitting though, I can understand the hit a couple years ago with berttuzi (however his name is spelled) but this one was just Chara going to hit him (not even full steam) and taking the guy out. It sucks, but it's a part of the sport.

[BHK1978]

Well it looks like the Bruins are probably going to lose this series. Oh well, I was shocked that they got to the finals in the first place.

[MrOnu]

As much as I hate the Vancouver Canucks, they are simply better than the Bruins. They compete harder, Luongo finally founded his marks and Ryan Kesler is a real leader in all aspect of the game.

 

On the bright side for the Bruins, I think they have one hell of a kid in Tyler Seguin. Julien doesn't use him much like any player under 30 years that ever played for him, but the kid doesn't seem to any the pressure at all. That's an amazing quality to have at such a young age. Oh and whoever is coaching the PP must be fired.

[guyver3]

Game 7 Boston up 1-0 anyone watching

[ShaunGBD]

Boston 3-0

[guyver3]

Your Stanley Cup Champions the Boston Bruins