TakerNGN74 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 So I know it exists obviously but having never gotten penalized for this I am wondering what would the penalty actually be if you were to book a match when it says it would be the fourth time what would happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Jobs To Me Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TakerNGN74" data-cite="TakerNGN74" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30413" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So I know it exists obviously but having never gotten penalized for this I am wondering what would the penalty actually be if you were to book a match when it says it would be the fourth time what would happen?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The fans riot and the match gets an automatic 0.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakerNGN74 Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mr T Jobs To Me" data-cite="Mr T Jobs To Me" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30413" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The fans riot and the match gets an automatic 0.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> HA HA! I know for a fact that that doesn't happen, I know the match does get a lower rating and it is mentioned in the road agent notes that the match is taking place for the fourth time but yeah other than that I am wondering what else happens. Meaning what is the actual penalty you would get if you were to book a match for the fourth time and get penalized.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidenhoek Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 <p>It's about 10-20 points lower than expected if the match doesn't beat out the previous matches.</p><p> </p><p> BLAH INTERNETS</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 If your 4th (or more) match is better than the rest before repetitive booking penalties are applied then you won't lose anything. And theoretically you're booking should be ensuring that your workers are getting more popular (and perhaps a little more talented too) as the feud progresses... plus with the use of high prestige matches to slightly boost the match rating, avoiding the penalties should be relatively easy for your rising stars. For main eventers who have capped out already or midcarders who are just in a holding pattern, maybe not so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamGoddessLindsey Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eidenhoek" data-cite="Eidenhoek" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30413" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's about 10-20 points lower than expected if the match doesn't beat out the previous matches.<p> </p><p> BLAH INTERNETS</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's more than that. When I played with it on, a normally certain B+/A match would fall to D+/C-. That's about 30-40 points down. The penalty is massive.</p><p> </p><p> I don't play with it on anymore.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30413" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If your 4th (or more) match is better than the rest before repetitive booking penalties are applied then you won't lose anything. And theoretically you're booking should be ensuring that your workers are getting more popular (and perhaps a little more talented too) as the feud progresses... plus with the use of high prestige matches to slightly boost the match rating, avoiding the penalties should be relatively easy for your rising stars. For main eventers who have capped out already or midcarders who are just in a holding pattern, maybe not so easy. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I thought match prestige didn't affect match ratings?</p><p> </p><p> I believe that the penalty is based on the strength of the matches before, and also possibly the match's siting on the card. I had a Bumfholes/Pain Alliance grade out at a C or so, which I wouldn't have noticed as being penalised if it hadn't been highlighted. That was in the early stages of my B show.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="James Casey" data-cite="James Casey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30413" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I thought match prestige didn't affect match ratings?<p> </p><p> I believe that the penalty is based on the strength of the matches before, and also possibly the match's siting on the card. I had a Bumfholes/Pain Alliance grade out at a C or so, which I wouldn't have noticed as being penalised if it hadn't been highlighted. That was in the early stages of my B show.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There isn't a dirt sheet note about it... but with a top prestige match I noticed about 5 points of difference between what I'd get compared with a basic match. I'm not a big user of gimmick matches so when they grade higher than I'd expect I tend to notice the effects.</p><p> </p><p> It could just be that I've gotten lucky and received better results by chance, especially since it's a small sample size, but I'm fairly sure it's true.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Stranger Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-cite="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30413" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's more than that. When I played with it on, a normally certain B+/A match would fall to D+/C-. That's about 30-40 points down. The penalty is massive.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've seen lower penalty gaps than that, but you're not the first I've heard mention a severe drop. Possibly varies according to product.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eidenhoek Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Or I can't remember what the values were. <em>Or,</em> there might be a floor. I think I went 50s -> 30s or so, so...dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eigan Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30413" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There isn't a dirt sheet note about it... but with a top prestige match I noticed about 5 points of difference between what I'd get compared with a basic match. I'm not a big user of gimmick matches so when they grade higher than I'd expect I tend to notice the effects.<p> </p><p> It could just be that I've gotten lucky and received better results by chance, especially since it's a small sample size, but I'm fairly sure it's true.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hmmm...I guess I'll start using some top prestige matches then. Will observe this closely. I'm with James Casey, I thought that match prestige was for filtering only, as stated in the help file.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakerNGN74 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Alright thanks, I am playing a game with NYCW and was hoping that I wouldn't run into it being that the promotion only has one show a month. I have ran into it once and still ran the mathc regardless but it really didn't seem to affect anything. I am going to try and not do it again though because I don't want to take a chance of falling to in size because I did a match for the fourth time because that could affect the rating and single handedly cause my fall in size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamGoddessLindsey Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Regardless of what the help file says, I have yet to hold a match at the highest prestige level garner less than an A/A* grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 <p>As always, if you hit the penalty and you don't think it's going to be a better match, you can always run it in the pre-show as well. A five minute non-finish packed with run-ins will tank the match rating regardless, and drop the average of all matches to a point where the fifth match (the 'televised' one) will go over fine.</p><p> </p><p> Just remember to follow the pre-show match with a hot angle to get the crowd warmed up before the show starts.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-cite="DreamGoddessLindsey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30413" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Regardless of what the help file says, I have yet to hold a match at the highest prestige level garner less than an A/A* grade.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Guess you haven't tried Billy Gunn vs Maven in a Hell in a Cell match <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Regardless of what the help file says, I have yet to hold a match at the highest prestige level garner less than an A/A* grade. I had Sean McFly with A pop and Rick Law with A* pop in a high prestiege cage match grade out like 8 points worse than their previous encounters at a 79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamelessposer Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gungner" data-cite="Gungner" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="30413" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Guess you haven't tried Billy Gunn vs Maven in a Hell in a Cell match <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There are data sets where that matchup could very well pull an A rating.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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