This game relies way too much on luck.

Rawisericho · January 22, 2014

I'd like to hear, for anyone who's playing RTL, how many storylines you won and lost your first year. I ask because I've played "Working the Indies" about 900 times and I've won once, neutral result 4 times, and lost it 7. Is this normal? Because I'm getting really frustrated.

Rone Rivendale · January 22, 2014

I did about half singles and half tag. I ended up with 5 success, 5 failure, and 2 neutral. Obviously, I won more tag and lost more singles. It's normal yes.

Blake Trask · January 22, 2014

A lot of unknown level opponents are actually pretty tough for a RTL character to take down. The skill alotments for a RTL character are not particularly generous.

Eidenhoek · January 22, 2014

And that's why I do what I do: I don't have auto-save and I retry until I win. And sometimes, yes, that takes a lot of resets ._.

Rawisericho · January 22, 2014

I agree. I wish there had been a better balance of "realistic" and "fun to play".

BuddyGarner · January 24, 2014

The game is too hard in the beginning and too easy in the end. Once you get to 1000 Overall Rating the game gets a lot easier and only a few people are a challenge.

If you want to win just be large enough to use fisherman's suplex. You need 600 grappling. Match ratings will take a hit though.

Corwin86 · February 5, 2014

I have purchased this game three days ago, and played it for at least 10 hours...

This means that it is a good game... but now I've lost much of the desire to play it.

For win a match, you need to have a very good tactic (and this is ok), but also with every possible adjustment you'll surely lose some match, also if you're really stronger than your opponent.

And you have to win 12 (!!!) consecutive games to advance from Unknown to Local Talent...

In fact, failing a Storyline is terrible, a disaster for your career... instead, winning 8 consecutive matches give you only the possibility to improve a little.

I own WMA2 and 3, TEW 2013, A:GH, CBH... why this game is so damned difficult and frustrating?

I'm a developer and I know that creating "only" a simple random simulation 0-1000 is one of the hardest possible thing, and so I simply don't understand why trying to use so extensively in a game.

I do not want to sound too critical, really, I'm a loyal customer <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> , for this reason I find that this game is just too unbalanced, frankly I do not feel to recommend it to some of my friends.

I really like the idea of the storyline based game, but you can not frustrate the player so much.

From this post, I read that some people have about my idea, and some like the game the way it is now.

I don't have a direct solution, also the easier ones: difficulty settings and more options settings (like: failure is lost 3 on 4 matches, neutral winning only 1/2 or 3/4, success 4/4).

I think the "core" of the game it's ok, but, precisely because winning a match is never a certainty, you can not then claim that the player never loses <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Eidenhoek · February 14, 2014

I do think it's very luck-based, perhaps a bit too much, in getting to "Legend" status. Getting a 5* MOTYC in a Huge company... Well, if you stay long enough... <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="37113" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Grippler & Allen vs. Bart Biggins & Spencer Spade (00:00) *** The match began with Bart Biggins and Grippler in the ring (00:06) Grippler avoided a Punch. (00:15) Grippler threw Bart Biggins to ringside (00:22) Grippler hit a Baseball Slide (00:36) Grippler applied a Western Spinning Toe Hold (00:40) Bart Biggins blocked a Western Spinning Toe Hold (00:48) Bart Biggins very easily avoided a Comedy Foot Stomp. (00:55) Bart Biggins hit a Monkey Flip (00:59) Grippler fought back against being picked up (01:03) Grippler hit a Comedy Foot Stomp (01:19) Grippler applied a Top Wrist Lock To Hammerlock Roll (01:39) Grippler applied a Surfboard (02:05) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (02:36) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (02:36) Bart Biggins started to bleed (02:40) Bart Biggins blocked an American Figure Four Leglock (02:44) Bart Biggins broke an American Figure Four Leglock (02:53) Grippler avoided a Legsweep Kick. (03:09) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (03:09) Bart Biggins began bleeding quite heavily (03:35) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (04:02) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (04:06) Bart Biggins blocked the Trapping Headbutts (04:09) Grippler hit a Bell Clap (04:13) Bart Biggins blocked the Trapping Headbutts (04:17) Bart Biggins blocked a Bell Clap (04:24) Bart Biggins hit a Monkey Flip (04:28) Bart Biggins hit a Fist Drop (04:32) Grippler fought back against being picked up (04:35) Grippler hit a Bell Clap (04:40) Bart Biggins blocked the Trapping Headbutts (04:43) Grippler hit a Bell Clap (04:59) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (05:04) Bart Biggins blocked a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (05:24) Grippler applied a Cangrejo (05:39) Bart Biggins slipped out the front of the Trapping Headbutts (05:46) Bart Biggins hit a Drop Toe Hold (05:54) Bart Biggins picked up Grippler (06:08) Bart Biggins applied a Side Headlock (06:14) Grippler avoided a Legsweep Kick. (06:19) Bart Biggins broke a Grapplerman's Suplex (06:26) Bart Biggins hit a Side Headlock Takedown (06:36) Grap The Grippler moved out of the way from an Elbow Drop. (07:02) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (07:32) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (07:58) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (08:14) Bart Biggins broke the Trapping Headbutts (08:21) Bart Biggins hit a Legsweep Kick (08:25) Bart Biggins hit an Elbow Drop (08:33) Bart Biggins picked up Grippler from behind (08:40) Bart Biggins hit a Backslide (08:44) Bart Biggins got a one count (08:51) Bart Biggins hit a Monkey Flip (08:55) Bart Biggins hit a Fist Drop (09:02) Grap The Grippler moved out of the way from a Running Half Senton. (09:28) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (09:46) Bart Biggins broke the Trapping Headbutts (09:52) Bart Biggins hit a Dropkick To Knee (09:56) Grippler blocked a Swinging Neckbreaker (10:01) Grippler blocked a Spinning Head Scissors (10:04) Grippler hit a Bell Clap (10:09) Bart Biggins slipped out the front of the Trapping Headbutts (10:13) Grippler blocked a Flying Inverted Rana (10:17) Grippler blocked a Flying Rana (10:33) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (10:33) Bart Biggins began bleeding very heavily (10:59) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (11:19) Bart Biggins slipped out of the back of an Uranage Backbreaker (11:23) Grippler slipped out of the back of a Spinning Arm Drag (11:27) Bart Biggins escaped a Thumb Spike Choke Hold (11:43) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (11:43) Bart Biggins was bleeding everywhere (12:09) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (12:39) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (13:05) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (13:35) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (13:35) Bart Biggins was covered from head to toe in blood (14:01) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (14:17) Bart Biggins blocked the Trapping Headbutts (14:33) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (14:38) Bart Biggins blocked a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (14:43) Bart Biggins broke a Boston Crab (14:50) Bart Biggins hit a Legsweep Kick (14:54) Bart Biggins hit a Legdrop (15:07) Bart Biggins hit a Running Half Senton (15:17) Grap The Grippler moved out of the way from a Knee Drop. (15:43) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (15:59) Bart Biggins slipped out the front of the Trapping Headbutts (16:13) Bart Biggins applied a Side Headlock (16:20) Bart Biggins hit a Legsweep Kick (16:27) Grap The Grippler moved out of the way from a Senton. (16:31) Bart Biggins blocked a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (16:45) Grippler applied a Body Scissors (17:11) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (17:33) Bart Biggins countered an Animalistic Spear with a Monkey Flip (17:41) Grippler avoided a Seated Back Kick. (17:46) Bart Biggins slipped out the front of an Uranage Backbreaker (17:54) Bart Biggins hit a Spinning Arm Drag (17:58) Grippler slipped out the front of a Lifting Spinebuster Pin (18:02) Bart Biggins slipped out the front of the Trapping Headbutts (18:18) Bart Biggins hit a Swinging Neckbreaker (18:44) Bart Biggins applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (19:02) Grippler broke a DDT (19:18) Grippler applied a Top Wrist Lock To Hammerlock Roll (19:25) Bart Biggins countered a Surfboard Bow And Arrow with a Small Package (19:29) Bart Biggins got a two count (19:39) Bart Biggins hit a Running Swinging Neckbreaker (19:45) Grap The Grippler moved out of the way from a Running Half Senton. (20:11) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (20:35) Grippler hit a Trip Takedown (21:01) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (21:16) Bart Biggins broke a Vertical Body Press (21:32) Bart Biggins hit a Swinging Neckbreaker (21:36) Bart Biggins hit a Seated Back Kick (21:41) Grippler broke a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (21:45) Bart Biggins slipped out the front of a Vertical Suplex (21:53) Grap The Grippler moved out of the way from a Running Dropkick. (21:59) Grippler got back into the ring (22:08) Grippler tags out to Allen (22:15) Allen left the ring (22:22) Bart Biggins broke a Vertical Suplex by falling on top of Allen (22:26) Bart Biggins got a one count (22:33) Bart Biggins hit a Side Headlock Takedown (22:40) Bart Biggins picked up Allen (22:54) Bart Biggins applied a Side Headlock (23:02) Allen avoided a Rolling Wheel Kick. (23:12) Bart Biggins broke a Double Underhook Powerbomb by falling on top of Allen (23:16) Bart Biggins got a one count (23:23) Bart Biggins hit a Side Headlock Takedown (23:29) Bart Biggins picked up Allen (23:33) Bart Biggins hit a Kick To Thigh (23:40) Bart Biggins hit a Drop Toe Hold (23:46) Bart Biggins picked up Allen (24:00) Bart Biggins applied a Side Headlock (24:07) Allen avoided a Rolling Wheel Kick. (24:12) Bart Biggins blocked a Double Powerbomb (24:38) Allen applied an Over Shoulder Backbreaker Hold (24:53) Allen got a near submission (24:57) Bart Biggins countered a Falling Side Slam with a Kick To Knee (25:00) Bart Biggins hit a Punch (25:04) Bart Biggins hit a Kick To Thigh (25:07) Bart Biggins hit a Kick To Gut (25:10) Bart Biggins hit a Punch (25:16) Bart Biggins hit a Dropkick (25:23) Primus Allen moved out of the way from a Flying Back Elbow. (25:34) Allen hit a Rear Naked Punch Flurry (25:39) Bart Biggins broke a Rear Naked Punch Flurry (25:55) Bart Biggins hit an Arm Wringer Back Kick (26:02) Primus Allen moved out of the way from an Arabian Facebuster. (26:19) Allen hit a Double Axe Handle Smash Flurry (26:23) Bart Biggins blocked a Rear Naked Punch Flurry (26:34) Allen hit a Rear Naked Punch Flurry (26:41) Allen used a Power Taunt (26:52) Allen hit a Rear Naked Punch Flurry (27:03) Allen hit a Rear Naked Punch Flurry (27:14) Allen hit a Rear Naked Punch Flurry (27:31) Allen hit a Double Axe Handle Smash Flurry (27:48) Allen hit a Double Axe Handle Smash Flurry (27:58) Bart Biggins easily avoided a Double Axe Handle Smash Flurry. (28:03) Allen broke a Side Headlock (28:13) Allen applied a Backbreaker Hold (28:40) Allen hit a Double Leg Whiplash Slam (28:44) *** Allen got a three count on Bart Biggins (28:48) Allen irish whipped Bart Biggins into the ropes (28:57) Allen tags out to Grippler (29:02) Grippler grabbed Bart Biggins off the ropes (29:06) Bart Biggins slipped out of the back of a Tag Arm Wringer Smash (29:13) Bart Biggins tags out to Spade (29:20) Spade hit a Chop Block (29:39) Spade applied a Rope-Assisted Choke Hold (30:04) Spade hit a Lung Blower (30:12) Spade picked up Grippler (30:16) Grippler slipped out of the back of a Side Headlock Driver (30:25) Grippler threw Spade to ringside (30:32) Grippler hit a Baseball Slide (30:36) Spade blocked a Body Scissors (30:40) Spade rolled through an Arm Wringer Takedown (30:45) Grippler slipped out of the back of a Guard Rail Face-First Suplex (30:55) Grippler hit an Atomic Drop (31:11) Grippler hit an Arm Wringer Smash (31:16) Spade blocked a Belly To Belly Suplex (31:26) Grippler hit a Belly To Belly Suplex (31:52) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (32:20) Grippler hit Trapping Headbutts (32:25) Spade broke the Trapping Headbutts (32:29) Spade hit a Begging Off Eye Poke (32:45) Spade hit a Sit-Out Swinging Neckbreaker (32:53) Spade picked up Grippler (32:57) Grippler broke a Stunning Face Crusher (33:02) Spade fought back as Grippler tried to enter the ring (33:17) Spade hit a Knee Plant DDT (33:21) Spade got a two count (33:31) Spade hit a Stunning Face Crusher (33:35) Spade got a two count (33:45) Spade hit a Supreme Stunner (33:49) Spade got a near pinfall (33:53) Grippler slipped out the front of a Sit-Out Double Underhook Facebuster (34:01) Grippler got back into the ring (34:10) Grippler makes the hot tag to Allen (34:18) Allen left the ring (34:22) Spade broke a Biel Throw To Guard Rail (34:36) Spade applied a Side Headlock (34:43) Spade hit a Side Headlock Takedown (34:49) Primus Allen moved out of the way from a Knee Drop. (34:54) Spade broke a Giant Swing (34:58) Spade hit an Eye Poke (35:05) Spade applied a Standing Arm Bar (35:19) Spade applied a Front Facelock (35:24) Allen slipped out of the back of a Side Headlock Takedown (35:34) Allen applied a Backbreaker Hold (35:54) Allen hit a Chair Shot To Back (36:04) Allen hit a Headbutt To Groin (36:29) Allen hit a Giant Swing (36:46) Allen hit a Double Axe Handle Smash Flurry (36:51) Spade fought back as Allen waited for him to stand (36:59) Spade hit a Ring Apron Face Slam (37:06) Spade hit a Side Headlock Takedown (37:20) Spade applied a Choke Hold (37:27) Spade hit a Knee Pull (37:34) Spade hit an Arabian Facebuster (37:38) Spade hit a Measured Knee Drop (37:45) Spade hit a Half Senton (37:49) Spade hit a Measured Knee Drop (38:02) Spade hit a Posing Elbow Drop (38:06) Spade hit a Seated Back Kick (38:10) Allen escaped a Single Leg Grapevine (38:16) Spade hit a Roundhouse Punch (38:21) Allen broke a DDT (38:35) Allen applied an Arm Wringer (38:49) Allen applied an Arm Wringer (39:03) Allen applied an Arm Wringer (39:17) Allen applied an Arm Wringer (39:24) Spade countered an Arm Wringer with a Small Package (39:29) Spade got a two count (39:39) Allen avoided a Spear. (39:44) Spade blocked a Bear Hug (39:48) Spade countered a Clubbing Blow with an Open Handed Chop (39:55) Spade hit a DDT (40:02) Spade hit a Chair Shot From Above (40:07) Spade got a two count (40:17) Allen avoided a Lariat Clothesline. (40:21) Spade blocked a Biel Throw To Guard Rail (40:31) Allen hit a Bodyslam (40:37) Allen waited for Spade to stand (40:51) Allen applied an Arm Wringer (40:55) Spade countered a Hammerlock Powerbomb with a Slap To Chest (40:59) Allen broke a Stunning Face Crusher (41:04) Spade blocked a Hammerlock Powerbomb (41:11) Spade countered a Powerbomb Pin with a Small Package (41:15) Spade got a two count (41:25) Spade hit a Stunning Face Crusher (41:29) Spade got a near pinfall (41:39) Allen avoided an Animalistic Spear. (41:43) Spade blocked a Finishing Powerbomb (41:52) Allen got back into the ring (41:59) Allen tags out to Grippler (42:09) Grippler hit a Springboard Clothesline (42:15) Grippler left the ring (42:29) Grippler applied an Arm Bar (42:43) Grippler applied an Arm Bar (42:57) Grippler applied an Arm Bar (43:23) Grippler applied an Ankle Lock (43:34) Grippler got a near submission (43:41) Spade countered an Animalistic Spear with a Knee Plant (43:48) Spade hit a Half Senton (43:52) Grippler broke a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (43:56) Spade blocked an Arm Drag (44:01) Spade blocked an Arm Wringer Smash (44:06) Grippler slipped out of the back of a Sit-Out Face First Suplex (44:10) Spade broke an Inverted Sleeper (44:26) Spade hit a Sit-Out Face First Suplex (44:31) Grippler broke a Scorpion Deathlock (44:39) Grippler got back into the ring (44:46) Grippler tags out to Allen (44:57) Allen waited while Spade got up onto the apron (45:01) Allen hit a Ring Apron Headbutt (45:05) Allen hit a Ring Apron Headbutt (45:09) Allen hit a Ring Apron Headbutt (45:13) Allen hit a Ring Apron Headbutt (45:17) Allen hit a Ring Apron Headbutt (45:25) Spade easily avoided a Ring Apron Headbutt. (45:33) Spade climbed the turnbuckles (45:40) Allen countered a Top Rope Flying Shoulder Tackle with a Running Shoulder Block (45:44) Spade fought back against being picked up from behind (45:54) Spade hit a Spear (45:59) Spade got a two count (46:06) Spade tags out to Bart Biggins (46:12) Bart Biggins hit a Super Kick (46:17) Bart Biggins got a two count (46:33) Bart Biggins hit a Twisting Face Crusher (46:37) Bart Biggins got a near pinfall (46:47) Allen avoided a Super Kick. (46:53) Allen threw Bart Biggins to ringside (47:01) Allen tags out to Grippler (47:09) Bart Biggins avoided a Baseball Slide. (47:15) Grippler easily avoided a B-Dropper. (47:24) Grippler hit a Trip Takedown (47:50) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (48:14) Grippler hit a Discus Punch (48:40) Grippler applied a Surfboard Bow And Arrow (49:00) Grippler hit a Dropkick To Knee (49:07) Bart Biggins countered a Surfboard Bow And Arrow with a Small Package (49:11) Bart Biggins got a two count (49:21) Grippler avoided a Super Kick. (49:26) Bart Biggins blocked a Gutwrench Inverted Piledriver (49:32) Bart Biggins broke a Powerbomb Pin by falling on top of Grippler (49:37) Bart Biggins got a two count (49:42) Grippler slipped out the front of a Swinging Neckbreaker (49:46) Bart Biggins slipped out of the back of a Gutwrench Inverted Piledriver (49:51) Grippler broke a Seated Neck Plant (50:01) Grippler hit a Rana Pinfall (50:06) Grippler got a two count (50:22) Grippler hit a Suplex Powerslam (50:26) Grippler got a two count (50:30) Bart Biggins slipped out the front of a Fireman's Carry Whiplash Slam (50:44) Bart Biggins applied a Side Headlock (50:54) Grippler broke a Running Schoolboy Roll Up by falling on top of Bart Biggins (50:59) Grippler got a two count (51:07) Grippler got back into the ring (51:22) Grippler waited while Bart Biggins got up onto the apron (51:36) Grippler hit a Ring Apron Face Crusher Neck Snap (51:46) Grippler tags out to Allen (51:56) Allen left the ring (52:01) Allen got a two count (52:17) Allen hit a Double Leg Whiplash Slam (52:21) *** Allen got a three count on Bart Biggins </div></blockquote> Assuming SWF canon (although it'd be the second match, but anyway...), that'd be at SWF Under Control most likely. September PPV and all.

Be26 · September 3, 2014

Indulging in a bit of thread necromancy, but I'm glad to see I'm not the only one having issues with the random nature of the game. Empirically, I know it's completely transparent and that the game isn't cheating at all, but I like to have fun when I play games and it's extremely not fun to face Achilles the Mighty and connect with one move then take an unbroken streak of twenty-three before I succeed in escaping any of his.

The other thing I don't get it is why when you're on offense and the computer tries to counter your move with another move, if both moves fail the computer gets to go on offense. Why? They didn't do anything to stop your move, why do they get to take the momentum?

Adam Ryland · September 3, 2014

Indulging in a bit of thread necromancy, but I'm glad to see I'm not the only one having issues with the random nature of the game. Empirically, I know it's completely transparent and that the game isn't cheating at all, but I like to have fun when I play games and it's extremely not fun to face Achilles the Mighty and connect with one move then take an unbroken streak of twenty-three before I succeed in escaping any of his.

As you've pointed out though, there's exactly as much chance of the opposite happening and him hitting one move and you hitting twenty-three in a row - I can't think why, but when that happens people seem happy to attribute it to their great tactics, but when it happens to them it's always a flawed system Seriously though, if you have suggestions for improvements, the Suggestions forum is further below, I'm happy to consider changes, although given that the game is explicitly about probability and luck, I can't see a great deal of scope for alterations that would address your issue.

The other thing I don't get it is why when you're on offense and the computer tries to counter your move with another move, if both moves fail the computer gets to go on offense. Why? They didn't do anything to stop your move, why do they get to take the momentum?

If both moves miss then the original attacker remains in control. I've just tried it and it appears to be working perfectly well irrespective of whether it's a human or AI defending. Perhaps you're using an out-of-date patch?

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