What type of game would you like to see done for Grey Dog?

[Clarity]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm totally with you in terms of wanting the characters to have life. It's what TEW does well. Stars rise. Stars fall. Whenever I play Hollywood Mogul, I try to 'make' guys. I'll take a Ryan Reynolds and try to put him in as many movies as I can... but it's not a good as TEW at it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This..!</p><p> </p><p> IF (and that's a big if) Derek makes a game like this, this should be his mantra. Make it about the people first and films second. Games like Hollywood Mogul just count people as a number that works out how good a film is and I think that's backwards. Have the people fully fleshed out and use the films to influence them</p>

[Blackman]

Indeed. It's so important to flesh out the characters in the db, much like TEW does. You only have stats, a small head pic and a bio to work with, but it can do much when the players is exposed to it for a long time.

[Clarity]

Well if Derek isn't interested, I may have to make it

[Imarevenant]

I too would help in any way I could. I can't do renders but I'm sure I could help somehow.

[paulskln]

<p>i would buy a Hollywood movie style game for sure.i have the games 'the movies' and 'Hollywood movie studio' and play them often....</p><p>

A movie game along the lines of tew would be fun...where you have budgets and have to negotiate contracts with all your actors/actresses and film crew/writers etc....</p>

[Derek DiBenedetto]

<p>It appears either a Racing game or a Hollywood studio sim are the front runners.</p><p> </p><p>

I've played Hollywood Mogul 1 and 2; both were deep but rather ugly to look at and cumbersome to use. Lots of depth and choices though. The recent failure of HM4 to be funded on Kickstarter ($120,000, really??) probably spelled the end of that series, though, sadly enough. I can picture a good, more modern looking version of those games to be lots of fun.</p><p> </p><p>

Hmm, seems I have a decision to make. I do like the Racing Car game idea, but find the Hollywood studio game to be interesting as well.</p>

[i effin rule]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Clarity" data-cite="Clarity" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well if Derek isn't interested, I may have to make it</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I too would help in any way I could. I can't do renders but I'm sure I could help somehow.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This. And while I'm not the best render guy out there, I can certainly help. If it's just head shots, I have quite the backlog of old wrestling/MMA renders that can be adjusted to look like regular people.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek DiBenedetto" data-cite="Derek DiBenedetto" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It appears either a Racing game or a Hollywood studio sim are the front runners.<p> </p><p> I've played Hollywood Mogul 1 and 2; both were deep but rather ugly to look at and cumbersome to use. Lots of depth and choices though. The recent failure of HM4 to be funded on Kickstarter ($120,000, really??) probably spelled the end of that series, though, sadly enough. I can picture a good, more modern looking version of those games to be lots of fun.</p><p> </p><p> Hmm, seems I have a decision to make. I do like the Racing Car game idea, but find the Hollywood studio game to be interesting as well.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If you go the Hollywood route, I'd be more than willing to help out. Coding aside, creating the default fictional universe would probably take up the most amount of work and what have you. This is something I definitely feel confident and comfortable helping out with, as I've made my own fiction TEW mods in the past and have a decent grasp on world building.</p>

[dvdWarrior]

I'd love to see games for the movie industry, (as well as TV), but a game for the music industry would be pretty amazeballs too. I'll go ahead and add a racing sim to the list as well, but if I had to pick just one... movies. Yeah, definitely movies.

[Capelli King]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree, the financial side is probably the one thing it does really well. I also like the script set up as it was easy to use.<p> </p><p> I think, what those of us who would like to see a GDS movie/entertainment mogul game, envision is a game which balances what HM does well with a game that actually feels alive. There is nothing in those games to make it feel like you are dealing with a live world.</p><p> </p><p> It's the opposite with TEW. If I say Big Smack Scott, we all can picture an actual character with his own personality. And with HM, even when you add RL actors and directors you just never get the sense that the actor you chose for a role is anything more than an avatar for the numbers behind it. You have a comedy movie, you just pick the highest rated comedy actor within your budget and move on.</p><p> </p><p> I would love to see some personality given to the actors/directors. I want train wrecks like Lindsey Lohan, Amanda Bynes, and Shia Lebouf getting arrested and losing public favor while you're filming their next movie. Or Terrance Malick popping up every few years with a script and causing a bidding war for the rights to distribute his next film. </p><p> </p><p> I would also like for the characters to develop relationships that affect casting and/or production. You have Seth Rogen signed for a big budget comedy; perhaps his friendship with James Franco helps you land Franco at a discount for a small supporting role. Or maybe the bad experience with a director leads to an actor never wanting to work with them again ala Kevin Smith/Bruce Willis. Nothing like this happens in HM.</p><p> </p><p> I would also like the characters to have more robust ratings. I don't want a rating telling me how good a director is at finishing a shoot on time. I want multiple factors going into it. A) does the director like to shoot 50 takes B) does the director like to re-write scenes/dialogue while shooting. Basically, am I dealing with Stanley Kubrik here? How organized is the director? Are they like Speilberg; do they pre-vis their work and animate scenes so they know exactly how they want to shoot it? </p><p> </p><p> Did the 20 something yo party girl I hired OD in the middle of shooting and now I have to recast or get creative with the rest of shooting? Did I foolishly hire Terry Gilliam and now his set burnt to the ground and has to be rebuilt?</p><p> </p><p> That's what I want affecting the timeliness of shooting and whether things go over budget, not a rating. These types of things add a sense that the world is moving and alive. And HM doesn't have that. I never tried Showtime because honestly it's just looked like a Flashy HM to me. </p><p> </p><p> Anyway, that's just some of what I would like to see from a movie/entertainment mogul type game that I just havn't seen done before. I could go on for a while, but already approching tl/dr territory lol</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is a great idea. A mesh between Hollywood mongul and TEW. In other words a bigger focus on "making stars", chemistry, momentum, relationships and less of a focus on the financial side. What everyone likes about TEW is the roleplay aspects, so if we get a Holywood mongul game with a bigger focus on those aspects, it will make it an original type of game because the games out there such as Showtime, Holywood Mongul, Chart Wars etc, mainly just focus on the financials. I am not saying the financials should not be in the game, just it is pretty much the boring side of the game which eventually you figure out. </p><p> </p><p> I guess some other aspects of TEW can come into the game as well, such as the regional growth, market sizes, regional/national preferences and we obviously need to have the "top fims", awards etc. Another thing i would love to see in the game is a lot of "random" things happening in the game. A lot of that will depend on the characters, their personalities ect. So that could mean things such as people getting married, divorced, having kids/adopting a kid. Going gay or anything interesting. We could have the other TEW type elements such as tendencies to become a smoker/drug addict etc. We could also have people "convert" over from Music/Wrestling or whatever similar to how it works in TEW, bringing with them a fan base and certain unique skills.</p><p> </p><p> I think this would be the easiest to make as well, because it would be TEW with some added new elements. We could even have some of the TEW database move over (characters which retired or whatever move to join the film industry). </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's not even just seeing them crash and burn. Would love to see some redeem themselves and pull a Robert Downey Jr. as well. Just something that shows progression and life in the game world. <p> </p><p> Just something that shows the characters careers are progressing. Maybe even something similar to TEW's mechanic where gimmicks grow stale. Could accurately portray the cycle of an actors career. Like Eddie Murphy, he was the king in the 80's but after a decade playing basically the same character, the audience became indifferent toward his movies and it took him reinventing himself as a PG13 family movie guy to get back on top. Something that showed that type of progression in the characters careers would be great.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I also like the idea of stale characters and the ability to play certain "roles", similar to how TEW has the character types and the ability to execute those types. I think the success of the film will depend mostly on the ability of the actors, chemistry, execution, hype and maybe trends as well, so simply adding a big budget and putting "groundbreaking" graphics wont cut it. </p><p> </p><p> Based upon what i see, most people (over 40%) would prefer something other than what was proposed and most people are proposing a Hollywood game from what i see. I would love to see it done!</p>

[VTial]

<p><strong>Comic Book Zero: The Consequence of the Cape</strong></p><p> </p><p>

Judas Contracts: Hero is bound to betray teammate/players choice at which popularity changes the universe forever.</p><p> </p><p>

Moral choices generates new hero/villain</p><p> </p><p>

Arch-rivals</p><p> </p><p>

Teammate of the month/year - Determines which iconic character gets all the glory. Determines villain activity and hero reactions.</p><p> </p><p>

Reaction 1: Batman role, monitors Hero and keeps his weakness in mind</p><p> </p><p>

Reaction 2: Aspiring hero role, generates/modifies hero aspirations in other areas</p><p> </p><p>

Reaction 3: Government control role. Demands hero to relinquish his secret identity and serve to please the government. Determines popularity of hero in one country</p><p> </p><p>

Retirement character name inheritance</p><p> </p><p>

Collateral damage</p><p> </p><p>

Comic book choices to replace comic book objectives</p><p> </p><p>

Choice 1: Noir means even invincible heroes can die from sniping/betrayed by lover</p><p> </p><p>

Choice 2: Golden age gives invincibility to iconic heroes</p><p> </p><p>

Choice 3: Silver age makes underrated characters shine and iconic heroes end up with more comeback deaths/character costume changes/mega-fights</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Samurai game:</strong></p><p> </p><p>

Create a style game</p><p> </p><p>

Unknown samurai chooses to leave a master or be trained in a dojo - determines initial style 'rough' vs. 'technical'</p><p> </p><p>

Obscure samurai goes on adventures</p><p> </p><p>

Ronin can challenge more warriors but is prone to illness/injuries. Dojo Student is limited to requests from opposing schools but can train students</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Ninja game:</strong></p><p> </p><p>

Modified version of CBH and Imperium</p><p> </p><p>

Run and cover leads to random choice between in the open and taken cover</p><p> </p><p>

Taken cover reduces chance of being detected but slows down ninja movement</p><p> </p><p>

In the open can lead to being detected but also allows for setting of traps/disguising as commoner</p><p> </p><p>

Objective is to rule and command ninja organization where it starts as stealth then assassination missions then sending ninjas to assassinate/scout someone then preventing rival schools from assassinating you</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Police Game</strong></p><p> </p><p>

Combination of this:</p><p> </p><p>

 

</p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/6qxJ2l6no3M?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Police Simulator 2013 Gameplay (PC HD)"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p>

and this:</p><p> </p><p>

 

</p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/prWB4cSqX5w?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Police Simulator 2"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p>

and this</p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://kotaku.com/guys-police-quest-is-basically-back-796665191" rel="external nofollow">http://kotaku.com/guys-police-quest-is-basically-back-796665191</a></p><p> </p><p>

and a Life Sim</p><p> </p><p>

Goal is to get promoted in the seeded underbelly that is corrupt police politics mixed with official police work. </p><p> </p><p>

Also involves getting back in the force when released from duty through whatever means.</p><p> </p><p>

Involves being as well as dealing with rogue archetypes from Die Hard to Training Day to capturing/being the characters from The Usual Suspects</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Fantasy Cooking Sim:</strong></p><p> </p><p>

See: Cooking Master Boy/Yakitate Japan/Iron Chef</p><p> </p><p>

Three different end goals:</p><p> </p><p>

Become super chef and defend title</p><p>

Become underground chef and challenge opponents using illegal ingredients</p><p>

Become niche chef and defend against both underground and upcoming rival chefs</p><p> </p><p>

Weapons like knives improve chance of improving dish</p><p>

Skills are based on predicting which judges prefer which</p><p>

Ingredient knowledge based on area</p><p>

Adventure increases food knowledge instead of gold</p>

[The Swanton825]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I would love to a make your own reality show game (like Survivor!), OR maybe a movie game. Both of those ideas would be awesome in my opinion.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd love to see something like that too. Especially if there was an option to be the sadistic host of the show, like on Total Drama Island.</p>

[Capelli King]

Please no reality show game. I hate reality shows. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Derek DiBenedetto]

Yes, a 'Survivor' game would be limited design wise, and reality shows appeal little to me as well. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Capelli King]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek DiBenedetto" data-cite="Derek DiBenedetto" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>reality shows appeal little to me as well. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> thanks god, lol. Maybe setup a new thread between a Car racing and Movie simulator. It seems those are the top 2 picks and it will narrow it down (assuming the Movie sim is appealing to you in general). It also makes less sense for a NHL / Horse racing / Soccer sims since there is already clear advanced competition in those.</p>

[dpoolez]

Id like to see a Ryland prodixed boxing game as well, although that genre has been done to death, I think Ryland can bring something new to the table just by using TEW as a base.

[Capelli King]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Id like to see a Ryland prodixed boxing game as well, although that genre has been done to death, I think Ryland can bring something new to the table just by using TEW as a base.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not sure that is worth it to be honest. I think if there was a genuine demand for that, he should simply expand the WMMA game and have the option to add Boxing only companies (or K-1 only).</p>

[Minarin]

A car racing management sim would be great. If it can be done in a way not to be limited to one series then it would be brilliant.

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Minarin" data-cite="Minarin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="38072" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A car racing management sim would be great. If it can be done in a way not to be limited to one series then it would be brilliant.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So you're suggesting like NASCAR, Indy, Formula 1, et al all in one game with maybe an IROC setup to bring drivers from the various series together? I'm not an auto racing fan per se but that setup would certainly have my curiosity. I don't think I've seen any racing-minded game with series migration before.</p>

[DAVEFAN95]

An athletics game would be another thing id be up for, or a CBH 2, maybe a games Development company, even though I know it has been done before. Detective murder solving game would be another interesting concept.

[Minarin]

Exactly cappyboy. It would bring fans of different series together. Also a cool feature would be like Andretti Autosport are trying. They have an Indycar team but are also entering a team in Formula E. You could either run a team, or you can run a company. I think it would be really popular among fans.

[Mike7429]

I would love to see a TV station simulation, where you create scripts and ideas for shows!

[Russelrules44]

I would love to see a TV station simulation, where you create scripts and ideas for shows!

 

Yes, just yes.

[MOS182]

I don't think a horse racing game to the standard of the Football Manager series has been done yet.

 

There's the Starters Orders series which is good but I think GDS would have a better chance competing with them than Sports Interactive who develop FM.

 

Perhaps and Ice Hockey management game would be good. I know OOTP develop one but I think GDS could give them a decent run for their money.

 

As for movie management simulator. It's been done already by Lionhead Studios, it was called 'The Movies' and it was brilliant. It'd be hard to better it.

 

Alternatively, Cricket is a market which hasn't been done in great detail. There's battrick which still has loads of players despite development stopping on it for a while now iirc.

[stratusfaction]

I would totally buy a TV simulation. One that would allow you to write scripts, cast and film a pilot. It would be great!

[Capelli King]

It seems that we are still getting a racing game even though most people wanted the Movie game, lol. Still struggling to understand the logic in starting a poll regarding that if we were still going to get a Racing game.

 

Answering the questions that "the movie game has been done before", here is my response. Do you know how many racing games have been made? I downloaded one the other week called Racing manager 2014. We also have several racing simulator games online as well.

 

Put it this way, we have a lot more racing sim games out there than we do Movie simulators. Also, unlike Movie games, we also have a lot of Racing games which are not exactly the type which wants to be done here, but are racing games nevertheless with many of them having similar aspects, just on Wikipedia i found a good 30-40 of them:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_simulation_video_games#Racing_simulation

 

As for the Movie genre we have had maybe 4-5 and really none of them are active at the moment.