Hive Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I'm getting a bit frustrated in my current WCW game as I'm always losing bidding wars to the WWF (unless the worker in question has a poor relationship with Vince, in which case they won't try to re-sign them). I have 30 million dollars in the bank and Ted Turner is set to be flashy with his finances - yet I can't offer anywhere near the amount of money the WWF is throwing around. Take Bret Hart, as an example: the initial offer from WWF for him is 56,550 dollars per month (plus bonuses) while the maximum offer I can throw his way is 48,260 dollars per month! In spite of me being much wealthier and having a flashy owner! And the above example is not my first encounter with this issue. Am I missing something here that I'm not accounting for? Is it a hidden bonus the AI gets to add competition? Or is it a bug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan93 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I know this isn't helpful, but this is exactly why I play in owner mode. I don't want to be told who I'm not allowed to spend money on. Eric Bischoff, to my knowledge, was never told that he couldn't spend money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 Yeah, I even tried editing myself an additional 100(!) million dollars to my finances. You know how much more cash I could offer him with that? Zero dollars! This is kind of ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kayfabe Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Did you click "Toggle Smart Offer"? If not, you will often not be able to offer as much as you would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Did you click "Toggle Smart Offer"? If not, you will often not be able to offer as much as you would like. CK is correct, but at some point the owner may set a cap regardless. It will likely be higher than what your current maximum offer is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddoxEra Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I never once won a bidding war while playing as the booker. Whether it was Vince McMahon, Ted Turner, Sam Strong or Richard Eisen, the maximum they would allow me to bid would be outbid by the AI. It's annoying and I now always play as owner because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheZies Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 i've noticed that while at regional level (particularly in the 80s) that smaller or similar AI run feds will sign guys that tell me that I'm too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 Did you click "Toggle Smart Offer"? If not, you will often not be able to offer as much as you would like. I hadn't toggled that one, as I'll admit to not really knowing what it does. However... now that I have toggled it, I can go all the way up to... 53,290 dollars. Yeah. So still lower than the first offer from WWF. So basically trying to hire top workers is broken unless you play as owner? That sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franticloser Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I am playing modern day TNA, and have signed away John Cena, Dolph Ziggler(who was WWE Champion) Ryback, and Roman Reigns. It's not always just the setting, but also business ability I think. Also I always figured the rival contract offer is based off the current contract, so WWF is maybe already paying that much for Bret, while your owner looks at their actual value, so it could be the mod setting the contract to high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 There's also giving them contract perks - which may outweigh the value of the contract. It may also cause it to be a toxic contract for the AI if they keep matching your perks and re-sign the worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevinTEW13 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Its possible to offer less and steal them. Just fatten the contract a bit. Maximum dollars allowed, in ring exclusively, major shows and ppv, creative control, and whatever else you want added. Also throw in promises like never lower than ME or icon of company. Hell if they're that important sweeten the pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aXminster Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Already happened to me that a worker didn't want to renew the contract because they feel they've outgrown my company (Regional-sized) but they always renew with small companies (who are under my company in the rankings, if that counts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 It's not always just the setting, but also business ability I think. I've tried adjusting Turner's business setting both all the way up as well as all the way down, to no effect. Also I always figured the rival contract offer is based off the current contract, so WWF is maybe already paying that much for Bret, while your owner looks at their actual value, so it could be the mod setting the contract to high. No, the mod has no pre-set value for any contracts. It just seems very strange that it's technically possible to offer up to $125k per month for a worker, but even a flashy and absolutely filthy rich owner won't even allow half that amount to be spent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Its possible to offer less and steal them. Just fatten the contract a bit. Maximum dollars allowed, in ring exclusively, major shows and ppv, creative control, and whatever else you want added. Also throw in promises like never lower than ME or icon of company. Hell if they're that important sweeten the pot. But that's not really the point: the point is that the way it currently works is obviously broken for the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franticloser Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Is it though? Like I said I was able to steal John Cena and the current WWE in game champion as TNA. You just have to sweeten the pot a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheZies Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Is it though? Like I said I was able to steal John Cena and the current WWE in game champion as TNA. You just have to sweeten the pot a bit. it has more to do with the money cap the owner is putting on. if he were to switch companies, would the company he left still have the same cap on spending? like I mentioned about the territories getting workers who told me I was too small, when I switch companies the workers would sign with the company I just left... but not with the company I moved to. It could be a build in handicap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebradska Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 But that's not really the point: the point is that the way it currently works is obviously broken for the player. It's not. Offer perks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOmniWarrior Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 It's not. Offer perks. Aside from the fact that AI can and will offer those same perks in addition to the higher money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 it has more to do with the money cap the owner is putting on. Aside from the fact that AI can and will offer those same perks in addition to the higher money. Exactly. If I as WCW have to offer a 200 % bonus for showing up to shows on top of creative control over all other wrestlers, a private locker room directly beneath the ring, legendary super icon status that only requires 4 appearances per year and 10 ponies in order to match WWF's offer to Duke Droese, I think it's fair to call the system unbalanced and unfair. Especially when I have at least twice as much cash as WWF as well as a (supposedly) flashy owner. Something just isn't right, currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I noticed that I was constantly running into this issue. It's why I moved into owner mode. (like others have mentioned) I also knew about the smart toggle, but it doesn't matter. Eventually I get to the owner block. Now, you can get around this by setting Vince McMahon's finances to mean or prudent instead of average or whatever the setting is on most mods. But from what I've seen, if the owners are at the same financial spending willingness, it will never matter what you do, the other side can outbid you if they want. I have had guys I stole because I went too high for Vince, but no superstars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Considering you get this and sometimes stupid/inane/really annoying/nonsensical Owner Goals, I don't know why playing as Booker is even still an option. I guess it is nice for the RTG challenge, but I'll never play as anything other than Owner and haven't since 08 outside of that RTG challenge. There's no upside to playing as Booker right now. It's not a realistic challenge, just a headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 That's why I never play as a booker, unless it's a game where I don't feel the need of signing any big names, or a game where I'm a company with zero competition at all, or is a challenge game. The Owner Goals are fun sometimes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 I just noticed that there's a new patch out where this issue seems to have been addressed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Yeah, apparently someone upstairs is actually reading these threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I just noticed that there's a new patch out where this issue seems to have been addressed! Really? Shame it wasn't available a month or two ago when I was trying to steal Bret Hart in your War of the Worlds mod. Still, that's very good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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