Bluestillidie00 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 If u really think about it, Matty is Roman Reigns just young, good lookin heavyweight with star quality but limited in rings skills, but can grow if used right I think that's harsh on Roman. Don't get me wrong, I'm not his biggest fan, but he's shown over 2015 that he can put on a very good match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 If u really think about it, Matty is Roman Reigns just young, good lookin heavyweight with star quality but limited in rings skills, but can grow if used right Except that in the default data for TEW2013 Matty Faith has terrible star quality(26/E). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Except that in the default data for TEW2013 Matty Faith has terrible star quality(26/E). Good lord, that is awful. I'm pretty sure even Iron Mike Sharpe would have had better than a 26 rating. That's like, sub-jobber levels. Honestly, if anyone can get someone with a 26 Star Quality rating even into the upper midcard, you are officially much, much better at this game than I will probably ever be and I salute you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I think that's harsh on Roman. Don't get me wrong, I'm not his biggest fan, but he's shown over 2015 that he can put on a very good match. This isn't the thread for it but I agree. Lots of people have taken his lack of mic skills and bad booking into him not being a good in-ring wrestler. Same thing with Cena apart from recent years where he hasn't been as involved in the World title scene and been focusing on having great matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Except that in the default data for TEW2013 Matty Faith has terrible star quality(26/E). Pretty sure it was 62 not 26. Either way Faith is the Reigns of the Cverse without the looks and actual SQ. Besides that his in ring and mic work are identical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowYourEnemy Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 This isn't the thread for it but I agree. Lots of people have taken his lack of mic skills and bad booking into him not being a good in-ring wrestler. Same thing with Cena apart from recent years where he hasn't been as involved in the World title scene and been focusing on having great matches. I think the major problem with Roman is that he isn't a wrestler -- he has two signature "moves" --- a glorified punch and a frankly below-average spear --- and little technical skill. Don't get me wrong, he's a great entertainer, but he lacks any skill unique to the sport. Even compared to Cena, his moveset is limited. Goldberg was a star in WCW, but I don't think anyone would argue Goldberg was a great in-ring talent. I think there are a lot of parallels between the two, probably more than between Roman and Luger or Roman and Diesel. The most improved "skill" in Roman's arsenal is selling. His selling allows him to make opponents look good, but that doesn't help if he's consistently going over. In fact, it's probably smart to have Roman on the losing end considering that remains one of his most vaulted skills. I think he'll be exposed a bit when he "goes over" Triple H at 'Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d12345 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Goldberg was a star in WCW, but I don't think anyone would argue Goldberg was a great in-ring talent. I think there are a lot of parallels between the two, probably more than between Roman and Luger or Roman and Diesel. Goldberg from a move-set standpoint wasn't anywhere near as limited by WCW as Roman is by WWE. Goldberg in WCW was debuting a new MMA style technical grappling move almost weekly. As an avid watcher of mid to late 90s WCW I can tell you that true WCW fans would not compare Reigns and Goldberg. Reigns - and I assume this would be what Matty Faith is as well - is a smaller but more athletic Kevin Nash in the ring. Moves better than Nash but is as limited as Nash in terms of move-set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 I signed Matty Faith for the first time in my current CZCW 2014 game. Christian Faith had just become booker of SWF and I came up with a scenario in which Christian didn't want his son lingering in developmental and that CZCW would be a great place for him to improve. I threw him straight into a tag team with Mean Jean Cattley ("The Dominion") and tried to keep him as protected as much as I could. He wound up getting two tag team title reigns but his popularity seemed to cap at 44. I let him go after about three years because his performance stats and stamina just weren't increasing fast enough (or much at all). That being said, I'm going to start a new SWF game before the new release so I might see if I can make something of him there. I think he'll be exposed a bit when he "goes over" Triple H at 'Mania. I agree with most of your points here but I feel like the match with HHH is going to turn out better than expected. I thought the same thing when he was heading into the Lesnar match last year and it was a pretty good match. If there's anyone on the roster right now that is going to make Roman look as good as possible, it's probably Triple H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngnasa Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share Posted March 29, 2016 Reigns mt favorite wrestler right now. A lot of guys got limited move sets, including Brock Lesnar, and with all the injuries im glad. Roman's problem is the booking, the fans obviously wanna be him so turn him heel, he's been a heel before n ppl loved him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Pretty sure it was 62 not 26. It's 26. It was 26 in TEW2010 and it's 26 in TEW2013. As far as the comparison is concerned, not buying it. We all play a booking simulator game and have for several years. How many of you can make stars on a whim? I'd say most can. I point that out to draw attention to the fact that booking plays an incredibly important role in how a worker turns out (very much like coaching in sports). When you have a female authority figure who makes her hay by emasculating the men who are supposed to draw money for the company, you're working against yourself. She will never draw a dime for the company but she's actively detracting from those who can. In TEW terms, are you going to book a non-wrestler in angles that result in defeats/major defeats for your actual in-ring talent? On almost EVERY TV show?!? I'm not saying the talent in question is the be-all. But he's not the first worker with a limited moveset to get pushed (Hogan, Rock, even Austin were no Kobashi clones). The key difference is that in past cases, the booking was strong enough to cover that. I'll give you an example of the opposite situation. How good is Cesaro in the ring? Does it even matter, given how badly he's booked? How good can Ziggler be? Doesn't matter since he sells so well, they "need" him to get others over (again, poor booking). Matty Faith can be a viable low card worker or even an upper midcard range for a smaller company. At Cult and above though, he's neither skilled enough nor does he have the necessary shine to get much further than midcarder. In 2016, unless he experiences a quantum leap (or via divine intervention ala Adam), he's going to be a botch machine. Like Ryback on steroids. Er, more steroids. Um, animal steroids? Either way, he's going to be an injury waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnowYourEnemy Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 It's 26. It was 26 in TEW2010 and it's 26 in TEW2013. As far as the comparison is concerned, not buying it. We all play a booking simulator game and have for several years. How many of you can make stars on a whim? I'd say most can. I point that out to draw attention to the fact that booking plays an incredibly important role in how a worker turns out (very much like coaching in sports). When you have a female authority figure who makes her hay by emasculating the men who are supposed to draw money for the company, you're working against yourself. She will never draw a dime for the company but she's actively detracting from those who can. In TEW terms, are you going to book a non-wrestler in angles that result in defeats/major defeats for your actual in-ring talent? On almost EVERY TV show?!? I'm not saying the talent in question is the be-all. But he's not the first worker with a limited moveset to get pushed (Hogan, Rock, even Austin were no Kobashi clones). The key difference is that in past cases, the booking was strong enough to cover that. I'll give you an example of the opposite situation. How good is Cesaro in the ring? Does it even matter, given how badly he's booked? How good can Ziggler be? Doesn't matter since he sells so well, they "need" him to get others over (again, poor booking). Matty Faith can be a viable low card worker or even an upper midcard range for a smaller company. At Cult and above though, he's neither skilled enough nor does he have the necessary shine to get much further than midcarder. In 2016, unless he experiences a quantum leap (or via divine intervention ala Adam), he's going to be a botch machine. Like Ryback on steroids. Er, more steroids. Um, animal steroids? Either way, he's going to be an injury waiting to happen. I think my general disagreement is while anyone can become a star given the right destiny roll, it is far easier to push a more talented worker who starts with higher stats. Unless Faith gets a high destiny roll, you can't make him a star. His skills are awful, especially his stamina -- he needs to have no caps and good potential to succeed. This is probably somewhat true of about most workers: someone with a low popularity cap will be unable to main event a large company, for example. His TEW 2016 "fate" depends entirely on his father's position within SWF [assuming he is set to debut or sign for them]. Adam may cast him as a "major foil" to the player -- Christian Faith could be in charge of development or still in a high position in the company, and Richard Eisen could demand/request the player to push Matty [utilizing the new nepotism feature]. With the number of new features, I expect SWF's developmental situation to be entirely different, and with Professor Nero in his mid-to-late sixties, the company likely will have a new owner. We won't know until the demo is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41064" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think my general disagreement is while anyone <em>can become a star</em> given the right destiny roll, it is far easier to push a more talented worker who starts with higher stats.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Easier, yes. More fun? More challenging? More satisfying? That's a personal decision. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41064" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Unless Faith gets a high destiny roll, you can't make him a star. His skills are awful, especially his stamina -- he needs to have no caps and good potential to succeed. This is probably somewhat true of about most workers: someone with a low popularity cap will be unable to main event a large company, for example. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While this is true to an extent, it's not a hard & fast rule. What would be more accurate to say is he would need to avoid getting a BAD/LOW destiny roll. I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who made Connie Morris the top champ of an International level company. Her popularity capped at 78 with most other main eventers in the mid to upper 80s to mid 90s. The difference was, her in-ring skill in a perf>pop promotion made her a good (but not great) champion.</p><p> </p><p> Like I said, Matty can be a decent low card worker (roster fodder, basically) at larger promotion sizes but he's not likely to rise above midcard unless he's Jesus pushed. In smaller companies (Regional and below), he could go as high as upper midcarder but he wouldn't be a 'backbone of the roster' type of worker. Obviously his family ties make him a shoo-in for demonstrating several new features. But I'm going on what I know about him now. Like I said, without divine intervention (Adam), he's not going to be a world beater or someone you can build your roster around.</p><p> </p><p> I also refrain from using the word 'can't' since I've seen people here do things with workers that I didn't think possible. I wouldn't enjoy the challenge but that's mainly because I favor workers who are competent in-ring. Someone else (youngnasa, for example) might fall in love with him and put the time in to get him to improve enough to be viable.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregano Jensen Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 This is a very long thread about Matty Faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 <p>I must have gotten al uck destiny roll with Matty. I wouldnt call him the backbone of my roster. But he has gotten himself over to Main Eventer without me pushing him to it. He is also capable of having a very good match with most of my roster. Average 72 match rating ATM with multiple feds(79 average for my company) with 74 matches on the year 43 being with my company. 90 is the high. He still lacks mic ability and im a heavy Perf fed also. So Faith can become a great wrestler if given the chance.</p><p> </p><p> #TeamMattyFaith</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Hook Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Oregano Jensen" data-cite="Oregano Jensen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41064" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is a very long thread about Matty Faith.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So many of us have tried him in hopes, right? <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> I had him in a regional fed, and his skills were good for my company, but his stamina was so low I couldn't get any real use out of him because of where I had to set his push. I ended up using him in a tag team, but eventually had to let him go as he could never do a 12 minute match without getting completely gassed.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I usually pick him up in my smaller games. I give him a run, sometimes long term, sometimes only for 3 months. Unfortunately these games never run enough shows, and never quite go long enough, to see if I can develop him into a star (or what I'd consider a valid star). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampmon Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 After reading this thread I'm tempted to play one last '13 game and see if I can do anything with him.. Probably won't get past a first show though as I'm far too distracted by the '16 updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngnasa Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share Posted March 30, 2016 <p>Everything about Matty can be fixed early in his career, have him wrestling technical vets and give him a great microphone manager, its very easy to book him because its more understandable what you need to do.</p><p> </p><p> Also using protect on him helps alot because u gain more than you lose by using it. I'm going to make him main event. I never think about destiny rolls and all that, I usually can make the game bend to my will eventually.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41064" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I must have gotten al uck destiny roll with Matty. I wouldnt call him the backbone of my roster. But he has gotten himself over to Main Eventer without me pushing him to it. He is also capable of having a very good match with most of my roster. Average 72 match rating ATM with multiple feds(79 average for my company) with 74 matches on the year 43 being with my company. 90 is the high. He still lacks mic ability and im a heavy Perf fed also. So Faith can become a great wrestler if given the chance.<p> </p><p> #TeamMattyFaith</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That was a lottery roll. I have never seen him get that good except in a diary a few months after 13 came out (though I can't remember which one. I'd like to say James Casey's MAW but that might've been 2010, I believe).</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="youngnasa" data-cite="youngnasa" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41064" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Everything about Matty can be fixed early in his career, have him wrestling technical vets and give him a great microphone manager, its very easy to book him because its more understandable what you need to do.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, in the games I've actually paid attention to him in, he usually winds up in MAW. I peek into their roster every now and then (mainly to check on Lisa Bowen's progress. And Nicole Kiss since they often sign her as well). I've never understood why he doesn't improve faster, especially with regard to stamina. That's just cardio! Unless you're a super heavyweight or a giant, that's the easiest thing to fix!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41064" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> I've never understood why he doesn't improve faster, especially with regard to stamina. That's just cardio! Unless you're a super heavyweight or a giant, that's the easiest thing to fix!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Unless you are suuuuuper lazy and you think cardio is for chumps without a famous father <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41064" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That was a lottery roll. I have never seen him get that good except in a diary a few months after 13 came out (though I can't remember which one. I'd like to say James Casey's MAW but that might've been 2010, I believe).</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> To be fair I'm at the end of 2017 in my game. So Mattt is 3 years Pro at this point and still improving. Still the best Matty I've seen on these forums so I'll take it</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregano Jensen Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 <p>I always figured the 26 SQ was a typo... it doesn't seem to match his bio, his look or his charisma. Even if he's out of shape and not good in the ring, it seems like a big handsome heavyweight with solid mic skills <em>who's also the son of beloved wrestler Christian Faith</em> wouldn't be in the bottom 10% of workers. </p><p> </p><p> I mean, among heavyweight (or larger) wrestlers, only eight others have 26 or lower SQ:</p><p> </p><p> Bully Benrubi</p><p> Buzz Reid</p><p> Coyote Dynamite</p><p> Crazy Train</p><p> Hellraiser</p><p> Jon Jetson</p><p> Rahabad Lawal</p><p> Rashid Lawal</p><p> </p><p> Two guys pushing 50, three ultra-generic bodyguard types, the clumsiest man in wrestling, whatever Crazy Train's supposed to be, and a chubby French hardcore worker with no mic skills. Putting Matty in that company seems off to me. </p><p> </p><p> (Oh, no, I'm contributing to the serious discussion of Matty Faith!)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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