Small Questions Thread & "Living FAQ"

[CharlieRock]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Liger!Liger!" data-cite="Liger!Liger!" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1 - Realism and Hyper Realism<p> 2 - The game tells you on the product screen(....will make X skill less effective).</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thank you, again. </p><p> I have Realism and Hyper-Realism at Key Feature and Medium. So I'm guessing my puroresu types will do pretty well. </p><p> </p><p> Regarding 2, my product does tell me that Hardcore is less effective. But I have never seen a product say "X skill more effective". Is that because I'm doing something wrong? (it does create mandatory match aims which leads me in the direction to pick workers with higher skills in certain areas, like technicians)</p><p> While I don't need a High Spots match aim for the moment I have a lot of workers with decent flying. And I was wondering if the Japanese Junior types melded better with Puroresu workers in matches or if it was okay to utilise Spot monkeys, and Cruiserweights as well (and Luchadors). Mostly just to give my cards some variety. I have no hardcore workers and my product says my fans don't want to see that anyway. So I'm left with technicians and puroresu who I wasn't sure what they meant in the game (I watch mostly puroresu, but that is a really broad rl genre of wrestling). That's when I noticed all the guys crowding up the midcard had decent flying. </p><p> So I was wondering if Cruiserweights advanced in skill in the technical areas faster than Japanese Juniors, and if not do the Juniorweights work better with puroresu. And the Lucha Libre product says it is "fast-paced and technical" so are they better at technical than either of the other two. And I assumed Spot Monkeys only work Aerial and not Technical at all.</p>

[I am Malice]

Hey guys, quick question. I hope this is the place to ask. Were Shawn Gonzalez and Carlos Gonzalez from FCW (Cornelleverse) born in Puerto Rico?? I know its kind of a dumb question but I want to intend on pushing Carlos as a home-grown national hero that will supplant PuertoRican Power. Anyway I hope someone can answer this as I couldn't find the answer for myself.

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Liger!Liger!" data-cite="Liger!Liger!" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>1 - Realism and Hyper Realism</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Interestly enough, this is only partially correct. Realism definitely makes Puroresu Skill (and I mean the Skill) effective, but Hyper Realism does not. Only two Product Settings make the Puroresu Skill effective - Realism and Pure.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://greydogsoftware.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6692&stc=1&d=1512215345</span></p><p> </p><p> Weirdly enough, I believe the Puroresu "Style" is favored in Hyper Realism, but not necessarily the Puroresu "Skill". </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CharlieRock" data-cite="CharlieRock" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But I have never seen a product say "X skill more effective". Is that because I'm doing something wrong? (it does create mandatory match aims which leads me in the direction to pick workers with higher skills in certain areas, like technicians)</div></blockquote>No, you are doing nothing wrong. The Product Definition screen will never tell you if a skill is more effective than other skills.<p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CharlieRock" data-cite="CharlieRock" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Is that the reason there are Cruiserweights, Luchadors, and Japanese Junior class wrestlers (as well as Spot monkey)? The product benefits each class exclusively. Like, Lucha Libre Key Feature would benefit the Luchadors over the Japanese Juniors?<p> </p><p> Is there a way to tell who your product benefits more? I have no Hardcore in my product, so Psychos and Hardcore types are right out. But I have problems deciding who to scout for with the multitude of Aerial types.</p></div></blockquote>You are mixing two things there. One is "Skill", the other is "Style". <p> </p><p> Some Product Settings favor certain Styles and Skills. For skills, I'm less sure how much a Product setting favors some Skills more than others, only that some skills are less favored and the skills that are generally favored (but I do not know the order of preference). However, as for Styles, Hyde Hill did a test once. I'll link it here. It's based on a much older edition of TEW, though.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37419" rel="external nofollow">Product type vs Wrestler type the test</a></p><p> </p><p> In any case, just to make it easier for you and others, here are some extra information.</p><p> </p><p> Hardcore "Skill" - Cult and/or Hardcore</p><p> Puroresu "Skill" - Realism and/or Pure</p><p> Aerial "Skill" - Modern, Lucha Libre, and/or Daredevil</p><p><a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" href="<fileStore.core_Attachment>/monthly_2017_12/Capture.JPG.7457fcb29d2a9be0994a7ab92b953d56.JPG" data-fileid="3380" data-fileext="jpg" rel=""><img data-fileid="3380" class="ipsImage ipsImage_thumbnailed" alt="Capture.JPG.7457fcb29d2a9be0994a7ab92b953d56.JPG" data-src="<fileStore.core_Attachment>/monthly_2017_12/Capture.JPG.7457fcb29d2a9be0994a7ab92b953d56.JPG" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a></p>

[CharlieRock]

Interestly enough, this is only partially correct. Realism definitely makes Puroresu Skill (and I mean the Skill) effective, but Hyper Realism does not. Only two Product Settings make the Puroresu Skill effective - Realism and Puroresu.

 

 

Puroresu "Skill" - Realism and/or Pure

 

Just so we're on the same page...

When you say "Product Setting Puroresu" are you meaning "Pure"? Because I do not have a Product Setting for Puroresu. I am using TEW2016

And the in-game description for Product Setting: Pure is so far from what I have thought of as puroresu that I didn't make that connection. I had always thought "Pure" meant more Olympic games style wrestling (and the mandatory match aim "Technical Masterclass" that comes with higher 'Pure' settings certainly added to that illusion for me.)

[ampulator]

When you say "Product Setting Puroresu" are you meaning "Pure"? Because I do not have a Product Setting for Puroresu. I am using TEW2016

Sorry, "Pure". I was doing this in the wee hours of the morning.

And the in-game description for Product Setting: Pure is so far from what I have thought of as puroresu that I didn't make that connection. I had always thought "Pure" meant more Olympic games style wrestling (and the mandatory match aim "Technical Masterclass" that comes with higher 'Pure' settings certainly added to that illusion for me.)

I agree with you that Pure should relate to more Amateur Wrestling (and in my opinion, any sport that is purely grappling), but if you do some tests, "Pure" is the only other product setting that makes the Puroresu "Skill" effective. I agree it's odd, though.

[CharlieRock]

Sorry, "Pure". I was doing this in the wee hours of the morning.

I agree with you that Pure should relate to more Amateur Wrestling (and in my opinion, any sport that is purely grappling), but if you do some tests, "Pure" is the only other product setting that makes the Puroresu "Skill" effective. I agree it's odd, though.

 

 

Thank you very much. (wee hours of the morning are the most fun, too. imo)

[jean-vic]

<p>Just ran a Monday Night Raw on my 1994 save. I'll give you the breakdown. </p><p> </p><p>

Opening match - 80</p><p>

Angle - 86</p><p>

Match - 66</p><p>

Angle - 90</p><p>

Main Event - 81</p><p> </p><p>

Show Rating - 59</p><p> </p><p>

................. What!?!?</p>

[Matt_Black]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jean-vic" data-cite="jean-vic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just ran a Monday Night Raw on my 1994 save. I'll give you the breakdown. <p> </p><p> Opening match - 80</p><p> Angle - 86</p><p> Match - 66</p><p> Angle - 90</p><p> Main Event - 81</p><p> </p><p> Show Rating - 59</p><p> </p><p> ................. What!?!?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We're missing some info there. What's the Wrestling Industry like in your game right now? Any Production Values lower than the competition?</p>

[jean-vic]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We're missing some info there. What's the Wrestling Industry like in your game right now? Any Production Values lower than the competition?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Production Values are top in everything, and I think, off the top of my head, that the wrestling industry is in the D's but is rising. Could be wrong about the industry, though. </p><p> </p><p> This isn't a new thing. Been happening on this save for a while. I'll have consistent 80-90 segments with a 60-70 segment in there somewhere, but I pretty much never finish above 79 on TV. This was just the worst show rating I've had.</p>

[Matt_Black]

Any other post show notes? Someone being used too much, not enough interesting storylines, etc?

[jean-vic]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Any other post show notes? Someone being used too much, not enough interesting storylines, etc?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It said I don't have enough interesting storylines, but I only have two of my seven storylines below the minimum heat and I don't feature them on Raw because of it.</p>

[BrokenCycle]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jean-vic" data-cite="jean-vic" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It said I don't have enough interesting storylines, but I only have two of my seven storylines below the minimum heat and I don't feature them on Raw because of it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If the game says you don't have enough interesting storylines, then that's the problem.</p>

[Matt_Black]

Yeah, you might have forgotten to advance one of them.

[James Casey]

<p>Every storyline should be advanced at every A show, I believe. If not, it loses heat - and people will have expected to see them moving along, so will dislike a show that fails to do so.</p><p> </p><p>

If you're booking a five segment show, seven storylines is probably three or four too many (obviously depending on what your minimum is). A 1 minute promo segment can advance a storyline perfectly well, though.</p>

[Matt_Black]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="James Casey" data-cite="James Casey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Every storyline should be advanced at every A show, I believe. If not, it loses heat - and people will have expected to see them moving along, so will dislike a show that fails to do so.<p> </p><p> If you're booking a five segment show, seven storylines is probably three or four too many (obviously depending on what your minimum is). A 1 minute promo segment can advance a storyline perfectly well, though.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And, remember, if using freestyle angles, you can slot up to eight folks in there. You can also slap someone in the announce booth and advance the storyline that way. Interference, replacement referees, and, of course, take your singles competitors and make it a TAG TEAM MATCH PLAYA! Holla holla!</p>

[LigerLiger]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>take your singles competitors and make it a TAG TEAM MATCH PLAYA! Holla holla!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Most of my storylines are advanced through 10, 8 and 6 man tags. Gedoh would be proud.</p>

[BrokenCycle]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="James Casey" data-cite="James Casey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Every storyline should be advanced at every A show, I believe.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's two shows in a row.</p>

[jean-vic]

I have five A stories and two B stories. A stories are played out on every other Raw, so all five are advanced within the "every other A show" rule. The B stories get advanced on B shows. I've not known them to lose heat. That show I posted before had three stories advanced. Pretty sure the requirement is for one or two to be advanced.

[softflake]

<p>Hey guys,</p><p> </p><p>

Just curious as to if there was a way to edit a 'B' show into an 'A' show without adjusting the contract? Cheers.</p>

[CharlieRock]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can also slap someone in the announce booth and advance the storyline that way. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Is that the Guest Commentator angle or actually using them as an announcer? (Wouldn't that lower the rating of the match itself, as most Active Wrestlers have dismal Announcing or colour skills.)</p>

[Matt_Black]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CharlieRock" data-cite="CharlieRock" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Is that the Guest Commentator angle or actually using them as an announcer? (Wouldn't that lower the rating of the match itself, as most Active Wrestlers have dismal Announcing or colour skills.)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Eh, I just throw them in the booth and take the heat hit, as that's easy enough to gain back, and there's a risk of losing heat in the angle anyway.</p>

[CharlieRock]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41194" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Eh, I just throw them in the booth and take the heat hit, as that's easy enough to gain back, and there's a risk of losing heat in the angle anyway.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I guess that makes the rare wrestler with half-decent colour skill that much more valuable. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Killagy]

<p><img alt="momentum.jpg" data-src="https://s18.postimg.org/mfzs6l1yx/momentum.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

So if I'm reading this correctly, does this also mean there are no added penalties/bonuses to popularity gains/losses if "Momentum Effects" is turned off?</p>

[DarK_RaideR]

Here's something I've been wondering for a while:

If a company's product makes gimmicks irrelevant, I understand a good/bad gimmick won't affect match&angle ratings, but does it still affect a worker's individual popularity gains?

[atomzero]

Here's something I've been wondering for a while:

If a company's product makes gimmicks irrelevant, I understand a good/bad gimmick won't affect match&angle ratings, but does it still affect a worker's individual popularity gains?

 

I don't know, but I can say that I often play with products that make gimmicks irrelevant, and I just set everyone's gimmick to none. I never get any negative notes about it.