The Official ThunderVerse Thread

[WhyGuy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MattL1222" data-cite="MattL1222" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Who do you think would likely sign with AWF? Like who would fit in the best with the sports entertainment aspect of it, I wanna sign some people to dev but people who make sense...if that makes any sense.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Like Jon said anyone can work if you gimmick them up. I always think Leviathan is the first guy you should keep your eye on or sign as AWF. He usually gets a great roll and fits the main event monster roll obviously. Big bubba is another guy I usually look at. Even if his roll doesn't end up being good he's already pretty over in most areas and a solid worker. Lenny Rhodes is a less conventional guy I usually go after because he's already great at entertainment and usually ends up with a good roll in my experience. Other guys I usually sign are sylvian Charles, Sangoma, JD Hogg, Canadian Wildman, Carmine Perotti when he debuts in March 2016, and Jack Dennis if you can find a way to get him to the states</p><p> </p><p> Edit: if you're looking for women Audrey abelson, Kellie swimmer, and those Japanese triplets who's names I'm forgetting usually end up being serviceable in my experience</p>

[Bigpapa42]

I'll be honest - anyone can make sense. I know this is a shitty answer but both WWF/WCW have histories of bring in puro guys/super juniors/luchadores/hardcore guys even if they weren't ready made for their products. It's up to you to make it fit. If we're going with guys who need the least amount of work it'd be entertainers/menace workers with clear characters/gimmicks.

 

Its a completely true, though. One of the best aspects of the ThunderVerse is the sheer volume of cool, interesting, talented high-potential workers you can hire. Especially on the American scene. But its also one of the worst things, but that volume can be overwhelming and if you are like me and lack self-control with new hires, you can end up opening up four new developmental companies for the AWF and stocking them fully with new hires, along with adding more talent to FAW.

 

You are correct - you can make anyone fit. Even guys that don't really fit, style-wise, can still do well and may just switch their style after a time anyway.

 

With Sports Entertainment, I generally look for worker with a "hook". That is someway to generate overness. Star Quality, Charisma, Sex Appeal, Menace, overall entertainment skills, or being a really good worker can provide this. But... not everyone on the roster needs to have a hook. Not everyone needs to be able to generate popularity out of thin air.

 

I also always target Star Quality. SQ helps with a number of things. But... its easy to get wowed by SQ and overlook factors. And realistically, not every worker on the roster needs to have pretty good or better SQ. Not everyone needs to be a potential future star. A roster should typically have a mix and its easy to forget that when you are looking at workers who need time to develop and grow.

 

One approach you can take is making a list of types of talent you would like to add, then searching for workers that fit. Like maybe you want to add 12-15 workers total. So 2-3 "future star" types. 2 big hosses. 3-4 solid midcard / tag specialists. Its a bit easier to search for each when and narrow options when you have a clearer idea of what you are seeking more than "talent".

[Sigilistic]

Has there been any confirmation of an official Tverse for 2020? That would be my first concern, TBH.

 

My understanding is that the last edition was the LAST edition. Not gonna lie, I'll be sad if we don't see T-Verse 2020.

[Big Roguey]

Has there been any confirmation of an official Tverse for 2020? That would be my first concern, TBH.

 

My understanding is that the last edition was the LAST edition. Not gonna lie, I'll be sad if we don't see T-Verse 2020.

 

*We reserve our right to potentially change our minds in the future.

[Matt_Black]

<p>I've been getting back into the T-verse the past few weeks and I have some questions...</p><p> </p><p>

1) Who are some mentor/ protege candidates? On the mentor side, I've seen Ebony, June Black, Dama Estrella, and Shay Kinsella pick up people, but who else?</p><p> </p><p>

2) Who are some good hires for The Club?</p>

[WhyGuy]

1) Who are some mentor/ protege candidates? On the mentor side, I've seen Ebony, June Black, Dama Estrella, and Shay Kinsella pick up people, but who else?

 

I haven't played much of the 2016 version but playing as AWF I almost always had Marshall Law pick up Havok and Terry Thunder pick up Sharif Awar.

[NewZealandfan]

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[Slagaholic]

I've been getting back into the T-verse the past few weeks and I have some questions...

 

1) Who are some mentor/ protege candidates? On the mentor side, I've seen Ebony, June Black, Dama Estrella, and Shay Kinsella pick up people, but who else?

 

2) Who are some good hires for The Club?

 

1) I've seen The Devastators pick up The Nightmares - that was cool. Terry Thunder picks up Johnny Moore basically every time they're together.

 

2) Unemployed hire list: Knuckles, Ashmedai, Monoxide, and Steve Haven if you're feeling frisky.

[MattL1222]

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[Dalton]

*LONG POST INCOMING*

 

Oh man, this is the best mod for the best game I have ever played. I've spent countless hours playing, along with my trusty excel spreadsheet to keep track of booking plans, stables, schedule, tournaments, and so many others.

 

I wanted to try something fresh in TEW, so my first longform T-Verse game was with DRAGON, which I went over two years with before my roster basically became half-DRAGON, half-PWI/AWF (Doherty, E. Paro, G. South, btw Talisman is superstar). So after I was done with that, I went with UPJ due to my newfound NJPW fandom, which I am now two years into. This promotion is my favorite of any mod ever. I am a huge fan of factions in wrestling, and they make booking simpler and more logical.

 

My first major move was to have Juro Deguchi (a Nakamura clone) turn on Kintaro Kinjo (Tanahashi clone) to form his new faction, The Kings of Wrestling, with his three muscle: Pain, Torture, and Ram Diablo. With their help, Deguchi won the inaugural UPJ Intercontinental title tournament in March, and held the title until November at Hall of Immortals. After coming second in both the Ozeki Summit and the United Cup, Kinjo had a new mean streak to him. He set his sights on Deguchi for tearing apart the United Throne, and after beating Ram Diablo in October, headlined the Hall of Immortals against Deguchi, winning the IC title. Unfortunately for me, they had awful chemistry which I didn’t know because they never faced off 1 on 1 before HOI, so the rating was an 80, bringing down my entire show.

 

In other news, my tag team division is the best in the world, bar none. Ignite Zero held the title for my entire first year, beating out Pain & Torture, Graham Mackenzie and Captain UPJ (who had excellent chemistry as a team, so Graham joined the United Throne), Ryotaro Naruto and Jung DRAGON (who both left DRAGON and are now known as the Golden Dragons), and Generation Next (Sean Girven and Nathan Jordan, best friends who also have great chemistry as partners). Ignite Zero and Golden Dragons got me my two highest rated matches at 99 and 98! Generation Next was right behind at 97. Seriously, if you haven’t signed Sean Girven yet, you are missing out. He is putting up 93+ matches with everybody in my main event scene. Gen Next beat Ignite Zero in February 2017.

 

Erik van Rijn is definitely the future of the company, if not the present. He had a nice long feud with Oda Yamawaki (who I have majorly disappointed with) who took the title off of him for the second half of 2016. EVR scratched his way back to the #1 contendership, and beat new champion Kato in his second defense in July 2017. He has held the title ever since (in June 2018).

 

The Junior scene has kind of been a mess. My destiny roll for chemistry has screwed me royally, as each guy has a handful of guys they don’t mesh with causing more booking problems. My current champion is Kris Phoenix, who won the title from Junichi Matsuo.

 

Current stables from most face to most heel:

Hall of the United Throne: Kintaro Kinjo, Graham Mackenzie, Captain UPJ, Kozue, Jin Fujiwara, Shingo Hashi, Evan Kuja

 

FEARLESS: Oda Yamawaki, TOKI INK, Daijiro Otsuka, Sean Girven, Kris Phoenix, Nathan Jordan

 

Kings of Wrestling: Juro Deguchi, Ram Diablo, Pain, Torture, Junichi Matsuo

 

European Union: Tommaso Calicchio, Leonzio Battalgia, Nicolo Calicchio, Das Feuer, Javier del Toro

(I bought Nu-Extreme Wrestling in Europe for their pop, and took some contracts with me)

 

DRAGONS: Jung DRAGON, James Gilmour, Ryotaro Naruto, Cameron Cody, Paul Crowley, Ebi Kadivar

 

RENEGADES: Erik van Rijn, Bruiser Cassidy, Seven Brandt, OMURA, Fergus Storm, Aydan Farrell, Corvis Jones

 

My Main Unit is led by Ignite Zero, Eikichi Minamoto, Waotaka Eda (who sucks), and Tiger Singh.

 

Having stables is the way to go guys. It really simulates New Japan and the rest of Puro perfectly, and is a ready-made feud option for turns.

[Sigilistic]

*LONG POST INCOMING*

Having stables is the way to go guys. It really simulates New Japan and the rest of Puro perfectly, and is a ready-made feud option for turns.

 

Can you elaborate on this? How do you use stables when booking? What's your strategy for touring event cards?

[Sigilistic]

Started a new Hollywood Championship Grappling game. I really like the simplicity of booking it. The company is a blank slate in a lot of ways: No pre-existing storylines, no stables. You're really able to make it your own.

 

Booked my first month. Cloud James is feuding with Michael Anicetti, who's the anointed one of The Management (Reflected by General Manager Prophecy). Cordero Calderon won the AWC World Heavyweight Championship and is feuding over it with Johnny Hollywood, while AWC American Heavyweight Champion Riley Johansen is feuding with Herculez over that belt. Too Famous are getting up to reality show antics every week, while El Estandar is feuding with Mike Santorelli over the cruiserweight title, at least until I have a chance to build a proper cruiserweight division.

[Dalton]

Can you elaborate on this? How do you use stables when booking? What's your strategy for touring event cards?

 

I mostly use an offshoot of Atticus' booking strategy which is here. I bookmarked that link and looking back at it, he was also replying to you as well lol.

 

But yeah, it is mostly the same. I’ll use my game as an example. Here’s two stables:

RENEGADES: Erik van Rijn, Bruiser Cassidy, Seven Brandt, OMURA, Fergus Storm, Aydan Farrell, Corvis Jones

Hall of the United Throne: Kintaro Kinjo, Graham Mackenzie, Captain UPJ, Kozue, Jin Fujiwara, Shingo Hashi, Evan Kuja

 

I TRY to keep tour show matches between factions (in reality, if I have 5 matches on a tour show, only like 3 will actually be faction vs. faction and the rest have touring guys or multiple stables teaming up). So say I want my main event of my PPV to be Erik van Rijn (champion) vs. Kintaro Kinjo. EVR is the leader of RENEGADES, the heel faction that is the T-Verse equivalent of Bullet Club basically. Kinjo leads Hall of the United Throne, the pure-babyface faction. So in the tour shows leading up to the PPV, I’ll have a combination of 6 to 10 man Hall vs. RENEGADES matches. Usually Kinjo and EVR will be in the matches, but sometimes it will be just other members vs. members.

 

A nice wrinkle to that could be the addition to midcard titles. So in this example, say Seven Brandt is the Openweight champion. During these Hall vs. RENEGADES matches on the tour, I can have Graham Mackenzie pin Brandt, setting up another match at the PPV while keeping the faction warfare ongoing.

 

Another wrinkle is the “special” shows that happen during the tour, but before the PPV. For example, leading up to Hall of Immortals (the final Historic PPV of the year), I have an event titled the “UPJ United Forces Tribute Show” which is a TV special. I might have a tag title match, Junior Heavyweight title match, or something like that on the show, with the main event being a preview of Hall of Immortals. So for this, I would have a tag team match, probably EVR and Brandt vs. Kinjo and Mackenzie, two title matches at the PPV.

 

Adding to all of this, I run a total of five tournaments throughout the year, where the matches typically take place on the tour shows. During the Ozeki Summit Tour (G1 Climax), I will have an upper-midcarder or low-end main eventer beat the Heavyweight champion. I do this because I need the champion to lose a match or two so someone else can win the Block so he can challenge the champion at the next big PPV. Usually that big PPV is like two or three months away, so I have other smaller PPVs in the meantime. One of those PPVs will be main evented by the champion defending against the person who pinned him in the Summit. If the winner of the Summit was pinned by someone during the Summit, that can be another match on one of those smaller PPVs, defending the “#1 contendership”. This whole strategy is what New Japan does. When Kota Ibushi won the G1 Climax, he had to defend his #1 contendership against KENTA and EVIL because they beat Ibushi during the Climax. Okada, the champion, also had to defend his title against the people who beat him (SANADA and Minoru Suzuki).

 

I hope that all makes sense. I can definitely elaborate more if needed. I plan out the Heavyweight title matches for basically the entire year before I do anything else. I also keep a VERY detailed spreadsheet on Excel if anyone wants to see it. It maps out all of my PPVs, specials, stables, tournaments, round robin matches, and my entire year’s worth of events (because the TEW schedule system doesn’t allow a weekly event take place on the same day as another event, even if its 8 months away). It’s just easier to keep track on a spreadsheet so I can change my schedule on TEW throughout the year.

[Sigilistic]

I mostly use an offshoot of Atticus' booking strategy which is here. I bookmarked that link and looking back at it, he was also replying to you as well lol.

 

Ha! Yeah, I've been trying to crack the UPJ nut for a while now.

 

Your post was very helpful for me, thank you for taking the time to explain it. It sounds like it takes a lot of effort to make the most out of a fed like UPJ. But it also sounds like a lot of fun.

 

Another question.

 

It looks like you've added in a lot of talent to UPJ, can you talk about how you handled that? How quickly did you hire those guys, and was it on written deals or touring contracts? I noticed some names missing from the stables...were they cut from the stable or the company?

 

Any other tips you have for running a puro fed like UPJ?

[Dalton]

Any other tips you have for running a puro fed like UPJ?

 

No problem, I enjoy talking about wrestling and TEW. This will be another loooong post because I'm bored and want to talk about my game. I am by no means an expert of the game, and this UPJ game is one of the first that I've lasted a decent amount of time in. It's really only because I fell in love with the ThunderVerse and can't play any other mod at the time being. Okay I'll try to answer the questions and give more tips.

 

In terms of new hires, it was kind of something that happened over the span of my almost three years of game time (Jan 16-Nov 18). I'm one of those guys that hires my favorites at the start. I TRIED to keep it to a minimum, but some guys I just love, like Fergus Storm, Seven Brandt, Graham Mackenzie, Kris Phoenix, etc. These are guys I was familiar with in my DRAGON game, and thus gave me characters I understood and could book. With that being said, as time went on, and I got a hang of the UPJ roster, I learned I did not need to rely on those guys. Fergus Storm hasn't even won a title for me. In fact, now that I am checking, the only one who has is Kris Phoenix, who had a transitional reign as my Junior champion. I learned that I had a plethora of talent in the Jr. division, with even more talent out there in Japan (like Junichi Matsuo and Dragon Prince) that were either unemployed or working smaller promotions.

 

Other guys that start in the stable that you don't see were guys that over time I released. Des Miller was a shitty backstage personality who gave me grief, so he was let go early (which cost me a lot of money due to his contract), Dustin Lefever gave me his notice like a month in, and since almost all of the contracts have expired over my gametime, if they were bad workers, I let them go. The Hunters for example never did anything for me, so one after another they were cut. Pain & Torture were a special case for me. They were Main Eventers for like two years, but I couldn't for the life of me get a good match out of them. Nevertheless, I had them as the "gatekeepers" for my tag division. In 2016 and 2017, their records as a team (they never had matches without the other) was 36-9 and 15-12, and had a short reign as tag champs in late 2016-early 2017. I didn't release them until August of 2018 when their skills became too subpar compared to my other teams.

 

I also want to mention that I will never ever ever simply sign the best talent available. If there is a reason to sign a native Japanese star, then I will, but it is very rare. UPJ is at war with HONOUR and DIASPORA, and I could so easily sign away their guys who aren't loyal to them, but that would just make the game unfun. I am not a big fan of "gaming the system" like that. Nobuhisa Yasutake is a superstar right now for HONOUR, FKPW, and IWJ (IWJ Triple Crown champion, HONOUR Heavyweight champion, and was FKPW champion from July '17-August '18), but I don't want to sign away an HONOUR star, especially their champion. Being the hypocrite I am, I did sign away Fergus Storm at the beginning of the game though . When HONOUR let Hiro Date walk after his deal expired, I signed him for the last month of my tour. I didn't have plans for Juro Deguchi and was just going to have him in a undercard tag match, but now he had a decent opponent who could put him over at a PPV. Another example is GUSHIKEN, a guy who worked for UPJ for 20 years before going to DIASPORA. He was let go, and then announced he would retire in three months. So, I signed him to a one-month, one appearance contract and replaced one of my small tour shows with a "GUSHIKEN Retirement Show". The show was literally no different than a regular tour show except I changed the name of it, and put him in the main event, him and Kinjo lost to EVR and Deguchi. All of this was just for immersion purposes, and had no effect on my game really. On top of all this, if either of those companies has a Written deal expiring on a guy I want, I will definitely fight for them. That's how I signed James Gilmour, who has had a GREAT run in UPJ for me (UPJ Intercontinental Champion, 13 defenses). Due to my previous game in DRAGON, I learned to appreciate some of the top guys over there, and of course I wanted them for this game as well, seeing as they usually started in Japan anyway. I signed Jung DRAGON and Ryotaro Naruto at the same time, then Cameron Cody's, Evan Kuja's, and both members of the Ambassador's Club's contracts expired around the same time, so I signed them all and made an "invasion" angle out of it. Talisman's excursion ended recently as well, and he is a STAR, so he was signed too.

 

For contracts, I am a big believer in PPA deals for puro touring companies, EXCEPT FOR TOP GUYS. Most of the time for my guys, their Written deal is approximately the same price as 5-6 appearances on a PPA if not more. I carry ~50 active wrestlers at a time, and I run anywhere from 9-15 events a month depending on tournaments, specials, etc. I want to use all my guys at least once a month. My average main eventer gets 6-7 appearances a month (but they're on Written so who cares), and my average midcarder would get about 4-5. Of course, this all depends on if there is a tournament and stuff like that. Some months, if I have a big storyline that will dominate my tour shows and thus leave others out of the mix and down to 1-2 appearances for a tour, then it saves me a lot of money having them on a PPA deal. Top guys = written, upper mids/future stars= exc. ppa, midcard and under=PPA. Touring contracts are there own beast, and I used to sign a lot of guys to touring before I got a nice understanding of the UPJ roster. Now I try to keep my tour contracts to like 2 or 3 a tour. These guys almost always are a part of the six-man tags at the beginning of tour shows, and I look at their performance in each match to see how they compare to my regular guys. If they're good, I sign them to a PPA. That's how I got Corvis Jones, Nathan Jordan, and Sean Girven, among others.

 

Okay now onto scheduling. This is the primary reason I love puro companies now. The scheduling may seem way too complicated at first, but it is so much easier. The biggest thing is no dramatic sports-entertainment storylines. I am nowhere near creative enough to come up with interesting angles to keep myself going. I almost always just did post match attacks, hype promos, etc. It gets repetitive. Puro is different. While yes, storylines definitely exist, they are more about performance in the ring. The G1 winner gets the main event of WK, New Japan Cup gets a title shot of his choosing, etc. I translate that over to UPJ, making booking SO MUCH EASIER.

 

In terms of actually doing it in the game, I do two weekly shows, one on Monday and Wednesday, naming them something like UPJ Road of Champions Tour (Mon.) and UPJ Road of Champions Tour (Wed.), and then change the names of them for the next tour. I wish I could name them Night 1, Night 2, and so forth, but I don't want to rename them every week because I would occasionally forget and then my show history would look wonky, so I do the next best thing. Tour shows never have a singles match unless its for a tournament. Tour shows are previews of the upcoming events. If Oda Yamawaki and Juro Deguchi are fighting at Procession of Champions, they are tagging for the tour shows until the PPV. Tour shows can sometimes be a drawl to get through, but finding fresh combos and stuff like that make it worthwhile. Tournaments also speed everything up.

 

Before I start ANY game, especially puroresu games, I create a spreadsheet and format it for three tours: for UPJ it is January-March, May-July, September-November. That means there are three tour-ending "supercards." Ozeki Summit, Procession of Champions, and Hall of Immortals (I always have a PPV in each month though, just "minor," with special TV events sprinkled in). The TVerse states that the Ozeki Summit is Historic (and is always main evented by the final to the Ozeki Summit round-robin tournament), PoC is Above Average, and HoI is Historic. I treat all three as Historic really, but HoI is the be-all end-all. It is my Wrestle Kingdom. In order to figure out who I want to main event my Hall of Immortals, I gotta figure out the rest of the year's main events. It takes like half an hour to figure all of this out, and trust me, it is worth it. You get immersed in the world, and that immersion is what brings you back to keep playing more and more. Also, setting these goals makes you play until you reach it, so you can see how effective your stories are. I WANT to see if Kintaro Kinjo still has it. Kinjo won the United Cup, and wanted a shot at champion Erik van Rijn. He lost, and thus was back to fighting for another shot. He went on a tear, and pinned Eikichi Minamoto (#1 contender) and Erik van Rijn in the same tour, setting up a match with Minamoto at the next PPV, winner main eventing Hall of Immortals. Kinjo wins, and now I have him booked against EVR. He will lose, signaling a changing of the guard, further cementing 30-year old Erik van Rijn as the present and the future of my company. I also want to follow the meteoric rise of Sean Girven, whose team with Nathan Jordan put up A* matches with Ignite Zero, and his singles run in the United Cup saw him upset EVR, setting up a main event of the next PPV. He lost, but he had a 94 rated match and now I know I can count on him in the future. See? It takes a little bit of imagination, and some liberties being taken with TEW, but these stories are SOOOOO much better than sports-entertainment storylines in my opinion.

 

It will take a lot of in-game time to see these stories pan out, but man oh man are they worth it. Puro stories test your patience, but in the end the payoff is magical. When I first started my most recent save with UPJ, I had a vague understanding of the roster and stables, but as time progressed in the game, it's become almost real to me. I'm the one booking it, but it is sad watching Waotaka Eda's body break down and his ratings drop, only to form a tag team with (and get carried by) Eikichi Minamoto, win the Super Tag League, and soon dethrone Ignite Zero's 6 month reign as champions at Hall of Immortals! TEW is 100% about immersing yourself.

 

I've learned it is okay to not have a plan for each guy at each PPV. If you don't have a plan for one of your main eventers, that's okay, put him in an undercard six-man tag with his stablemates to give them experience. Can't figure out ANYTHING for him? Okay, have him get pinned by someone on a tour show, now he has an opponent for the next show. Tournaments also help a lot. Have your midcard champion lose to someone during the Summit, now he has a ready-made feud. He can lose the title, claw his way back to the title scene, and win it back three months later. Right there is an entire tour's booking for a title. In addition, every single title should not be defended every single PPV. Have the champion tag with a stablemate at a PPV against the guy you want him to defend against in the future. I never have my Heavyweight champ defend his title the PPV before Hall of Immortals, because he already has an opponent picked out, or his possible opponents are fighting to face him there. Have him win a tag match or something.

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I am probably missing so so so much, but I don't want to just ramble. Man I really need to do a diary of this game lol. And again, it MAY sound daunting, but in reality it is so so so much easier than a Western fed. The startup of a game is longer for me, just because I gotta figure out the entire year's main events in order to book anything, but that's because I like to look ahead and give myself goals to reach. After that initial time, the months FLY by. I can book an Ozeki Summit in one or two sittings, because I used a generator for the matches so I just gotta plug them into the game and choose the winners.

 

I'd be happy to keep talking about any of my game or booking puro in general. I am not an expert, but I got enough of it down that I enjoy it a lot. If I made any mistakes I apologize but I am not proofreading any of this

[HarukoScarlet]

Tips on my new (and first) T-verse Save, with GWS.

 

Does someone here have ever played with GWS and can help me with some things?

 

I want to make GWS a perf>pop company, but with storylines and gimmicks too, also, i want to run a weekly show with 4-8 ppv's a year, 1-3 of these ppv's would be tournaments. If someone has good ppv's names and if you know good wrestlers that i can hire for GWS in Thunderverse, i would like to know. please tell me.

 

I see GWS as a mix of all of wrestling indies and i want to make the company, one of the bests in the world.

[Jaded]

Dalton, great post! Quick question - what kind of matches do you have at your minor PPVs? Singles matches there, or just tags and six mans? Really interested to try this booking strategy at some point.

[Dalton]

Does someone here have ever played with GWS and can help me with some things?

 

I want to make GWS a perf>pop company, but with storylines and gimmicks too, also, i want to run a weekly show with 4-8 ppv's a year, 1-3 of these ppv's would be tournaments. If someone has good ppv's names and if you know good wrestlers that i can hire for GWS in Thunderverse, i would like to know. please tell me.

 

I see GWS as a mix of all of wrestling indies and i want to make the company, one of the bests in the world.

 

GWS is sort of a hard company to build up to a level where you can get broadcasting deals. Admittedly I haven't played very much with them but if its the same as the rest of the smaller USA companies it will take a lot of time before you get to a point of popularity to secure deals. If you mean you just want to have a weekly show with a bigger show at the end of the month without broadcasting, then that can be done right out of the gate. Not sure how you will do financially though...

 

GWS has a talented roster to start. I'm speaking from memory, but from what I can remember Pierre Lejosne should be THE guy for you. 23(ish?) years old, super talented already with more room to improve. Luke Graves is another good one too, and is talented enough on the mic to carry your promos and other angles. The Staffordshire Saints are a great tag team. Use them as the aces of the tag division. Those two should be champions or fighting the champions for most of the time.

 

For hires, I'd say Seven Brandt for one. He's young enough and talented enough to be a great worker for GWS. Kris Phoenix is a no brainer hire. He will be the best in ring performer you have once you hire him. Older, but unless you get a terrible destiny roll he shouldn't be in time decline. Graham Mackenzie from GBWF I believe can work in the states. He is also suuuuper talented in ring. Not sure how expensive they are. Especially if you want to run 4+ shows a month.

 

I'm not creative enough to come up with PPVs names though. For smaller companies like that, I like to just come up with one name and then do the Roman numerals. Something like GWS Warfare I/II/III/IV/V.

 

If you book GWS like PWG you probably won't last, bringing in expensive talent will be difficult to manage. If you book it more like an ROH mid-to-late 00's when they tended to stick with their regular roster and less outside talent, you have a better shot.

[Dalton]

Dalton, great post! Quick question - what kind of matches do you have at your minor PPVs? Singles matches there, or just tags and six mans? Really interested to try this booking strategy at some point.

 

Not gonna lie, I use New Japan events on cagematch.net all the time to see how they structure shows. Like, it's an open tab whenever I play. I'll try to explain this as best as I can:

 

Smaller PPVs have like four or five main singles matches (or major tag team matches) that progress major story beats. The undercard matches are almost always tags, usually 6 to 8 man, either to just get people on the show, or to create a storyline somewhere. If I don't have a plan for an uppercard guy, and there's a big PPV next month, I might have him eat the pin in one of these matches, so the winner can challenge him to a match at the next PPV. These smaller shows will NEVER have all the titles being defended. It might be main evented by the Tag Team Championship match, and the Heavyweight champion will be in the semi-main event with a stablemate against his future challenger and his stablemate. Or, it might be main evented by an Intercontinental Championship match, with the Tag Championship in the semi-main. There's a lot of room for flexibility. Occasionally, if the Heavyweight champion hasn't defended in awhile, he can main event the show with a defense. Most cases he won't lose, but it still adds a defense to his resume. The last example is how I do my PPVs after the Ozeki Summit ends. I usually don't want my Heavyweight champion to win the Summit because it's a good way to find a challenger, so he has to lose at least once in the Summit. Thus, the guy who pinned him gets a title shot at a smaller PPV before the Summit winner gets a shot at the big PPV.

 

On another note, something I began doing in my fourth year of UPJ is having back-to-back shows, like NJPW's Destruction in Beppu/Destruction in Kagoshma/Destruction in Kobe. This is a great way to have an IC title match main event one, a tag team or junior title match main event one, and a Heavyweight title match main event the last. Obviously, this thins out the big matches on the shows, so there's only like three main matches on each, if that. That's why I look at cagematch's NJPW events, to see how they do it. These shows are almost always undercard tag matches with two or three title matches or contendership matches to finish. ALSO, for some tournaments, such as my United Cup single-elimination tournament, I'll have the final of the United Cup on a regular tour show, with literally just the main event being a singles match, with the rest of the card being typical tour show tag matches. This is exactly how NJPW treats their G1 Climax final.

 

I've said it in a previous post but I structure my schedule into three three-month tours, with three off months a year. So here is a typical tour PPV schedule from May through July:

 

MAY:

Stars of Battle

Main Event: UPJ Heavyweight Championship

Erik van Rijn © def. James Gilmour

(for beating EVR in the Summit)

 

Semi-Main: UPJ Junior Heavyweight Championship

Meiyoshin © def. Goto

(post match attack by Talisman, who was betrayed by Meiyoshin and beat him to win the title)

 

Six Man Tag

Ignite Zero(Kato & Goto)/Dragon Prince def. RENEGADES(Fergus Storm/Seven Brandt/OMURA)

(Ignite Zero are the champs, and Fergus Storm is my Openweight champion, and now has a future opponent)

 

More undercard tag matches between factions....

 

JUNE:

Destiny in Chiyoda

 

Main Event: UPJ Junior Heavyweight Championship

Meiyoshin © def. Kris Phoenix

(Talisman won the Junior Mountain Cup days before this match and is now the #1 contender, but Phoenix had pinned Meiyoshin during the same Cup and thus gets his title match)

Semi-Main:

James Gilmour def. Juro Deguchi

(no title, but they've been feuding for awhile so this was a rubber match)

Tag Team Match:

Kintaro Kinjo/Kozue def. Generation Next(Sean Girven/Nathan Jordan)

(Kinjo is my Intercontinental champion and has a match against Sean Girven at the next show, so this is more of a preview for it)

Undercard tag matches....

 

Destiny in Tokyo

Main Event: UPJ Intercontinental Championship

Sean Girven def. Kintaro Kinjo ©

(frees up Kinjo to challenge for the Heavyweight title for the next tour, and gives Girven a well-deserved run with a singles title)

Semi-Main: UPJ International Tag Team Championship

Ignite Zero(Kato/Goto) © def. Warrior Code(Eikichi Minamoto/Waotaka Eda)

 

UPJ International Openweight Championship

Dragon Prince def. Fergus Storm ©

 

Tag Team Match

RENEGADES (Erik van Rijn/Seven Brandt) def. FEARLESS(Oda Yamawaki/Nathan Jordan)

(Oda Yamawaki, winner of the Summit AND United Cup, has a title shot at Procession of Champions next month, so they square off here in a preview)

Undercard tag matches...

 

 

 

JULY:

Procession of Champions

 

Main Event: UPJ Heavyweight Championship

Oda Yamawaki def. Erik van Rijn ©

(since Oda wins, this can set up a rematch at the final big PPV of the following tour, Hall of Immortals, as a rubber match)

Semi-Main: UPJ Intercontinental Championship

Sean Girven © def. James Gilmour

(Gilmour had been on a tear, and by beating Deguchi he set himself up as a top contender for a singles title)

UPJ International Tag Team Championship

Golden Dragons def. Ignite Zero ©

 

UPJ Junior Heavyweight Championship

Talisman def. Meiyoshin ©

(a six month feud ends with the good guy (and junior ace) getting his title back)

UPJ International Openweight

Dragon Prince © def. Seven Brandt

(Brandt is a stablemate of Fergus Storm, previous champion)

 

That's all the titles, so the rest of the card is rubber matches, and six-eight man tag matches, some of which can set up #1 contenders and the like.

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I hope that explains things decently. Obviously that's just one typical tour and the next tour will have title matches switched around, less matches here, more matches there, etc. Whatever fits the booking. Only a title or two defended on smaller PPVs, big PPVs either end feuds, or mark a major point in a feud. I have special TV events sprinkled in (like UPJ Pro Wrestling Night of Appreciation) to gain some money in ticket sales, but I treat those as almost non-canon to a degree. The results matter, but they typically won't have a title match unless its a midcard champion, and titles won't change hands unless something drastic happens.

 

Again, use cagematch.net to see how NJPW structures their tours, and to see how many defenses titles get in a year. NJPW's rule is at least one defense every six months, but obviously defenses happen more often than that. I typically have 5 or 6 defenses for my Heavyweight title every, spread across 9 months of touring.

[Jaded]

That's an amazingly informative post, really appreciate it - thanks Dalton!

[HarukoScarlet]

GWS is sort of a hard company to build up to a level where you can get broadcasting deals. Admittedly I haven't played very much with them but if its the same as the rest of the smaller USA companies it will take a lot of time before you get to a point of popularity to secure deals. If you mean you just want to have a weekly show with a bigger show at the end of the month without broadcasting, then that can be done right out of the gate. Not sure how you will do financially though...

 

GWS has a talented roster to start. I'm speaking from memory, but from what I can remember Pierre Lejosne should be THE guy for you. 23(ish?) years old, super talented already with more room to improve. Luke Graves is another good one too, and is talented enough on the mic to carry your promos and other angles. The Staffordshire Saints are a great tag team. Use them as the aces of the tag division. Those two should be champions or fighting the champions for most of the time.

 

For hires, I'd say Seven Brandt for one. He's young enough and talented enough to be a great worker for GWS. Kris Phoenix is a no brainer hire. He will be the best in ring performer you have once you hire him. Older, but unless you get a terrible destiny roll he shouldn't be in time decline. Graham Mackenzie from GBWF I believe can work in the states. He is also suuuuper talented in ring. Not sure how expensive they are. Especially if you want to run 4+ shows a month.

 

I'm not creative enough to come up with PPVs names though. For smaller companies like that, I like to just come up with one name and then do the Roman numerals. Something like GWS Warfare I/II/III/IV/V.

 

If you book GWS like PWG you probably won't last, bringing in expensive talent will be difficult to manage. If you book it more like an ROH mid-to-late 00's when they tended to stick with their regular roster and less outside talent, you have a better shot.

Thank you man, i'm gonna try to do it right.

[gord]

<p>@dalton0911 I tried to dip my toes in the puro waters for the first time by using HONOUR. However, I found booking three “house shows” a week (with few angles) incredibly repetitive and I got rather bored with it before I even got started (I book all of my shows three months in advance). </p><p> </p><p>

Seeing your methodology might help ignite a spark again, but I’m not hopeful.</p>

[Dalton]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="gord" data-cite="gord" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>@dalton0911 I tried to dip my toes in the puro waters for the first time by using HONOUR. However, I found booking three “house shows” a week (with few angles) incredibly repetitive and I got rather bored with it before I even got started (I book all of my shows three months in advance). <p> </p><p> Seeing your methodology might help ignite a spark again, but I’m not hopeful.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I get it. It's definitely not a style for everybody. It took me a year or so of playing TEW before I got into Puro booking. I too struggled with HONOUR specifically, mainly because I do not think they have a deep enough talent pool to make me want to continue. I like UPJ mainly because they have clear real-world counterparts that help me book them accordingly. Also, I book two shows a week because any more than that would take me way too much time to progress in the game. The only time I do three is for a tournament, so it's a lot easier then.</p><p> </p><p> I said it in an older post, but tour shows are definitely the most boring part of it all. My recommendation to remedy that is to make more tournaments. If you tour for 9 months, and tournaments run for 4 or 5 of them, then tour shows are much easier to get through. </p><p> </p><p> My goal with tour shows is to find chemistry, mainly between tag partners, or for tournaments, singles matches. If you look at any NJPW tour show card, they are almost all identical. 6 or 7 matches between factions (but with rotating members of the factions + the leader usually). Obviously the winners of these matches change, but for like a 5 or 6 show tour that NJPW runs, the matches are VERY similar from show to show. The reason for this is NJPW is geared more towards a "live experience," rather than trying to gain higher TV ratings like Western companies. The only reason we see the tour shows now is because of NJPWWorld. Puro tour shows are the same as WWE house shows, workers are put together for a circuit of shows before the next big show. </p><p> </p><p> Obviously if you don't like it, you don't like it. But if you want to give it another shot, here's a very short list of things that real-world companies do to make it worthwhile.</p><p> </p><p> -If you have a series of tour shows that are the traditional faction vs. faction (ala Tokyo Wrecking Crew vs. Raging Gaijins), try switching up the members, and throw in a 2v2 to find chemistry between two stablemates so those two can be the ones you use to fight for the tag titles</p><p> -Tournaments. Round robin tournaments like the G1 (I call it the H1 for HONOUR) eat up a month's worth or more of tour shows, and can also find high-rated matches between guys you wouldn't book together</p><p> -Have a guy pin a champion to set up a match at the big show. The rest of the show can build on this match with promos ("you pinned me once, but it was a fluke" or "I pinned you, I deserve a title shot" etc.) or post match brawls between the two</p><p> -Young lions don't complain about losing, and realistically should never win unless they have a vet as a tag partner, so if you want to build someone up, have him beat a young lion in a 1v1 match to open the show. This happens IRL. Toa Henare beat a couple young lions on the recent Road to Tokyo Dome shows</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Most important of all, you don't HAVE to book a ton of tour shows. If you want to book 1 tour show a week, go ahead. You won't lose out on THAT much money. For HONOUR, UPJ, DIASPORA, etc. ticket sales come from the big shows. PPV money is no joke either. Tour shows are only there to build towards a big show, so if you want to keep the "canon" in your head or something and not actually book it, then hey do what you want, it is your game.</p>

[Bigpapa42]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="gord" data-cite="gord" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>@dalton0911 I tried to dip my toes in the puro waters for the first time by using HONOUR. However, I found booking three “house shows” a week (with few angles) incredibly repetitive and I got rather bored with it before I even got started (I book all of my shows three months in advance). <p> </p><p> Seeing your methodology might help ignite a spark again, but I’m not hopeful.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Puro can be repetitive and overly structured, regardless of the mod or company. Which means it isn't going to be for everyone. But a few things that can help....</p><p> </p><p> 1. Units. They give more structure and reason to those 3v3 and 4v4 and 5v5 tour show matches. They provide easy storylines with rivalries, betrayals, switches, etc. </p><p> </p><p> 2. Structure. There are a load of ways to embrace this. But have some rules in place. Whether those are just takings rules from existing real companies or finding your own. But stuff like 1v1 should never by heavyweight vs junior, except with special circumstances. </p><p> </p><p> 3. Naming. This one might just be, but I find it easier to stick with a set structure when the names represent it. So I when working with different divisions, I will create match types that have that as part of the name. Just a standard match otherwise, but with "name value" so it shows up the show history as "A defeated B in a Super Junior match". </p><p> </p><p> 4. New Juniors. Probably my favorite part of puro was with BHOTWG in the Cverse mod where I learned to embrace the SJ division and run with it. I created new versions of classic SJ characters and just generally had a load of fun with it. </p><p> </p><p> 5. Tournaments. And tournaments. And more tournaments. Honor already has 1. But most of the real puro companies have a variety. Tag League. Junior Grand Prix. Junior Tag League. Young Lion Cup. You name it. Creating a tracking spreadsheet and get cracking. Love a good tournament or Grand Prix.</p>

[gord]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dalton0911" data-cite="dalton0911" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41411" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Most important of all, you don't HAVE to book a ton of tour shows. If you want to book 1 tour show a week, go ahead. You won't lose out on THAT much money. For HONOUR, UPJ, DIASPORA, etc. ticket sales come from the big shows. PPV money is no joke either. Tour shows are only there to build towards a big show, so if you want to keep the "canon" in your head or something and not actually book it, then hey do what you want, it is your game.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've thought about this and will consider it heavily after my first tour. The main reason I did three house shows per week was because my rivals (UPJ & DIASPORA) do FOUR shows a week and I wanted to try to stay on a similar level, especially considering my prestige is so much lower than theirs (and that only goes up with every show, hence needing more shows per week).</p><p> </p><p> However, if it means I'll enjoy the game more, I don't need to try and 'win the game' -- just play the way I want.</p><p> </p><p> Right now my schedule is two three-month (Feb-Apr, Aug-Oct) tours, with two one-month (June, Dec) tournaments. I might need to change that up as well.</p><p> </p><p> I've also consulted cagematch for ideas - since HONOUR is supposedly modeled after NOAH, I've used them, as well as NJPW.</p>