The Mod Squad

[Lucas]

<p>I've put up all the links on our Discord server for now (for those that don't want, see below), still haven't been able to resolve the forum issues despite all the settings being set correctly. </p><p> </p><p>

As the forum itself is largely inactive and costing money out of my own personal pocket (entirely separate to our actual server costs, which I pay for too), I'll be sorting a webpage with the links Wrestling Nexus will link to, as well as a link on there to our Discord server for you to get in touch with us. </p><p> </p><p>

Apologies for the downtime, things are busy at the moment to sort this out (which is partly why we moved to a hosted forum platform in the first place after initially hosting our own).</p><p> </p><p>

Here's the full list of downloads available from the server - these are correct at the current moment in time:</p><p> </p><p>

Online Installer</p><p>

Use the Online Installer to install mods for you</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/ModInstaller.exe" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/ModInstaller.exe</a></p><p> </p><p>

1980 The Big Bang</p><p>

Download the historical 1980 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1980.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1980.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1985</p><p>

Download the historical 1985 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1985.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1985.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1987 The Golden Age</p><p>

Download the historical 1987 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1987.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1987.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1987 The Superfly Effect (Alt)</p><p>

Download the alternative history mod for 1987, the Superfly Effect</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1987-Alt.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1987-Alt.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1991 Rising Storms</p><p>

Download the historical 1991 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1991.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1991.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1992 Eye of the Storm</p><p>

Download the historical 1992 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1992.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1992.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1994 Clash of the Titans</p><p>

Download the historical 1994 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1994.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1994.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1994 HULKAMANIA EXTREME EDITION</p><p>

Download the alternative 1994 mod, where Hulkamania goes EXTREME.</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1994-Alt.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1994-Alt.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1995 War of the Worlds</p><p>

Download the historical 1995 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1995.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1995.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1995 HULKAMANIA EXTREME EDITION II</p><p>

Download the alternative 1995 mod, where Hulkamania goes EXTREME (again).</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1995-Alt.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1995-Alt.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1996 Dawn of Attitude</p><p>

Download the historical 1996 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1996.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1996.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1997 Montreal Prelude</p><p>

Download the historical 1997 mod set in November before the Screwjob.</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1997-Nov.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1997-Nov.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1997 Montreal Aftermath</p><p>

Download the historical 1997 mod set in December after the Screwjob.</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1997-Dec.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1997-Dec.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

1998 The Art of War</p><p>

Download the historical 1998 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1998.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/1998.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

2001 New Blood</p><p>

Download the New Blood historical mod set in January 2001</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/2001-Jan.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/2001-Jan.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

2001 Death of WCW</p><p>

Download the Death of WCW mod set in May 2001</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/2001-May.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/2001-May.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

2001 WCW Lives!</p><p>

Download the alternate history 2001 mod, where WCW survives</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/2001-Alt.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/mods/2001-Alt.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

Graphics: </p><p>

Download the Mod Squad Pack</p><p>

- For use with 1980, 1987, 1997, 1998, 2001 mods</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/mSp-Pics.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/mSp-Pics.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

Download nGo</p><p>

- For use with 1991, 1992, 1994, 1995 mods</p><p>

- Download through the GDS Thread:</p><p>

<a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534801(edited" rel="external nofollow">http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534801(edited</a>)</p><p> </p><p>

Download Dawn of Attitude</p><p>

- This is a people pack only.</p><p>

- For use with the Dawn of Attitude 1996 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/1996-Pics.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/1996-Pics.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

Download SAMPP (Mediafire)</p><p>

- This is a people pack only</p><p>

- Contains modern workers</p><p>

<a href="http://www.mediafire.com/file/1bwr19ji0nb745m/SAMPP+0.12.rar" rel="external nofollow">http://www.mediafire.com/file/1bwr19ji0nb745m/SAMPP+0.12.rar</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

Download 1985 Pics</p><p>

- This is a people pack only.</p><p>

- For use with the 1985 mod</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/1985-Pics.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/1985-Pics.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

Skins:</p><p> </p><p>

Hivetastic</p><p>

Download the Hivetastic 1990s skin for New Generation mods.</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/Hivetastic-Skin.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/Hivetastic-Skin.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

Montreal Aftermath 1997</p><p>

Download the Montreal Aftermath skin for Attitude Era Mods.</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/AttitudeEra-Skin.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/AttitudeEra-Skin.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

Montreal Aftermath 1997 WWF</p><p>

Download the Montreal Aftermath skin for Attitude Era Mods (WWF style).</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/AttitudeEraWWF-Skin.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/AttitudeEraWWF-Skin.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

Montreal Aftermath 1997 WCW</p><p>

Download the Montreal Aftermath skin for Attitude Era Mods (WCW style).</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/AttitudeEraWCW-Skin.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/AttitudeEraWCW-Skin.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

Montreal Aftermath 1997 ECW</p><p>

Download the Montreal Aftermath skin for Attitude Era Mods (ECW style).</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/AttitudeEraECW-Skin.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/AttitudeEraECW-Skin.zip</a></p><p> </p><p>

The Golden Age 1987</p><p>

Download the Golden Age 1987 skin for the TGA 1987 mod.</p><p>

<a href="http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/TGA-Skin.zip" rel="external nofollow">http://wrestlingnexus.com/files/gfx/TGA-Skin.zip</a></p>

[Judoku1819]

How can we get the pic pack now?

[Lucas]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Judoku1819" data-cite="Judoku1819" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How can we get the pic pack now?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Good point. I'll add them to the above post.</p>

[TheCed]

Thanks a lot for that MrCreative!

[Lucas]

<p>Just a note the Nexus site is back up now (actually, It's a new site for holding links to direct downloads and our Discord). </p><p> </p><p>

We've also released a new Installer that will download mods for you, and install them -- should anyone prefer that to manual installation. </p><p> </p><p>

This is also available on the Nexus site.</p>

[MarslArts]

<p>Hey guys, I'm specially curious about two mods: The Summer of Punk and The Dana White Effect</p><p> </p><p>

- How much work is left to do?</p><p>

- How can I help?</p>

[Lucas]

<p>We are deep in Summer of Punk at the moment. As for DWE, we left that on hold so we could get the ground work done on SOP, I know its taken a long time but we are literally updating everything. </p><p> </p><p>

There are a lot of changes and updates for Summer of Punk, the picture pack we use has increased massively. Bits and pieces are coming through for testing now which is a great sign but there's a lot of workers to date still. </p><p> </p><p>

No ETA at the moment but we'll share more info soon <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[MarslArts]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MrCreative" data-cite="MrCreative" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We are deep in Summer of Punk at the moment. As for DWE, we left that on hold so we could get the ground work done on SOP, I know its taken a long time but we are literally updating everything. <p> </p><p> There are a lot of changes and updates for Summer of Punk, the picture pack we use has increased massively. Bits and pieces are coming through for testing now which is a great sign but there's a lot of workers to date still. </p><p> </p><p> No ETA at the moment but we'll share more info soon <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That sounds great. I'm looking forward to both equaly, so yeah, I'm looking forward for SOP!</p><p> If you need any help, let me know</p>

[Gungner]

The Art of War 98 mod, should feature the Harris brothers in the WWF, as they worked there from 1997, and appeared on the June 1st '98 episode of RAW...

[Stennick]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gungner" data-cite="Gungner" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Art of War 98 mod, should feature the Harris brothers in the WWF, as they worked there from 1997, and appeared on the June 1st '98 episode of RAW...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've talked to Genadi about this in the past. Basically the game will release people and it becomes unbalanced. The Harris brothers as you mentioned by 98 were barely a thing in the WWF anymore. He used to list everyone in both promotions that were under contract but weren't assigned to their promotion for gameplay balance purposes.</p>

[Lucas]

<p>Yep. </p><p> </p><p>

Part of our testing for mods covers looking at what the companies do in the first month to try to improve the gameplay experience as much as possible. </p><p> </p><p>

Sometimes that means taking liberties with what workers are contracted to try to strike the best balance between reality and the game.</p>

[Wuotan]

<p>Hello,</p><p> </p><p>

I play the "Death of WCW" Mod and receive the error 3021 when I open Naoki Numazawa in the decisions awaiting action folder. I have tried to install spanish language and activate english language. But both doesn't work. </p><p> </p><p>

Have somebody a solution for my problem?</p>

[Lucas]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wuotan" data-cite="Wuotan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hello,<p> </p><p> I play the "Death of WCW" Mod and receive the error 3021 when I open Naoki Numazawa in the decisions awaiting action folder. I have tried to install spanish language and activate english language. But both doesn't work. </p><p> </p><p> Have somebody a solution for my problem?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What does the exact error message say? Might be best to report this to the tech forum. Mods aren’t able to do anything that can cause this. Please let me know how you get on.</p>

[Wuotan]

<p>It says: RTE 3021 No current record</p><p> </p><p>

I tried this: If you already have begun a save game then you can apply the same process to your save game by going to Options -> Remote Assistance and using the code languagecheck</p><p> </p><p>

And it doesn't work.</p><p> </p><p>

And I getting no warnings about the language and can open every profile.</p><p> </p><p>

I haven't even send Naoki Numazawa a contract.</p>

[Lucas]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wuotan" data-cite="Wuotan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It says: RTE 3021 No current record<p> </p><p> I tried this: If you already have begun a save game then you can apply the same process to your save game by going to Options -> Remote Assistance and using the code languagecheck</p><p> </p><p> And it doesn't work.</p><p> </p><p> And I getting no warnings about the language and can open every profile.</p><p> </p><p> I haven't even send Naoki Numazawa a contract.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I can't see anything wrong trying this on my end. No issues with Naoki Numazawa when I've tried it on my own, so I'd suggest posting in the tech forum and Adam might be able to help you.</p><p> </p><p> Might happen if your db is corrupted somehow but only Adam can verify that.</p>

[Lukok]

<p>It's the first time I'm playing the 2001 mod and I like it so far, a couple of wrong pictures assigned but didn't find any big bugs. However the Japanese scene is just nuts three years in, they have two national and five cult companies and they keep raiding all the good American and Canadian talent on written deals.</p><p> </p><p>

It's really annoying seeing Samoa Joe, RVD, and tons of good indie guys spend all of their time in Japan. Zero-One and M-Pro raided half of CZW roster and took two from my roster.</p><p> </p><p>

Not sure why the Japanese scene is on steroids.</p>

[miamarsden]

It's the first time I'm playing the 2001 mod and I like it so far, a couple of wrong pictures assigned but didn't find any big bugs. However the Japanese scene is just nuts three years in, they have two national and five cult companies and they keep raiding all the good American and Canadian talent on written deals.

 

It's really annoying seeing Samoa Joe, RVD, and tons of good indie guys spend all of their time in Japan. Zero-One and M-Pro raided half of CZW roster and took two from my roster.

 

Not sure why the Japanese scene is on steroids.

 

Well, Japan was doing pretty well during the attitude era. AJPW and NJPW were like WWE and WCW over there, according to sources I've seen on the internet. Don't look at it from an American standpoint. But also, if area restrictions are off, then that can also happen.

[Hashasheen]

It was doing pretty well, but it also started sliding off a cliff by 1999. In NJPW Shinya Hashimoto was getting buried by Antonio Inoki and without Giant Baba AJPW was falling off a cliff. FMW was in debt to the yakuza, ZERO1 never really kicked off properly as anything more than a Shinya Hashimoto prestige fed (and now a Sato-Otani-Tanaka fed), MPW was pretty much out of business until 2005 and Battlearts subsisted on high ticket prices for a few hundred fans and having their guys get booked by ZERO1 and elsewhere. DG came about in 2004, and DDT was barely around in the early years. And FMW's successor feds WMF and WEW weren't exactly firing on all cylinders. The bloom off the 90s had firmly vanished in Japan as much as it had in America.

 

The puro scene was slightly better off than the joshi scene and had a lot more work available and a lot more prestige by 2001 - 2005, but I don't know it's realistic the business should bounce back as good as it does when IRL only NOAH was making moves at this time period.

 

As a sidenote: I'm looking to grab 2001 and play around with the UK scene with WOS Wrestling. How does the British scene look around that period?

[Genadi]

It's the first time I'm playing the 2001 mod and I like it so far, a couple of wrong pictures assigned but didn't find any big bugs. However the Japanese scene is just nuts three years in, they have two national and five cult companies and they keep raiding all the good American and Canadian talent on written deals.

 

It's really annoying seeing Samoa Joe, RVD, and tons of good indie guys spend all of their time in Japan. Zero-One and M-Pro raided half of CZW roster and took two from my roster.

 

Not sure why the Japanese scene is on steroids.

 

 

Japan starts as a region with both the economy and industry set to "Average and Falling" to replicate reality in 2001.

 

The reason the scene appears to be on steroids is because nearly all of the companies products are performance over popularity based which give them a huge advantage in TEW for various. Add to that the AI can't replicate some of the ridiculous booking decisions and twists and turns Japan took at the time. In short, without severely over nerfing Japanese workers stats or gimping their finances and capping their size there's not much to do other than try and contend with them as a player or use the editor.

 

 

Hope that all makes sense and feel free to ask any other questions here...…

https://discord.gg/evr94k where I'm far more active

[Hashasheen]

Japan starts as a region with both the economy and industry set to "Average and Falling" to replicate reality in 2001.

 

The reason the scene appears to be on steroids is because nearly all of the companies products are performance over popularity based which give them a huge advantage in TEW for various. Add to that the AI can't replicate some of the ridiculous booking decisions and twists and turns Japan took at the time. In short, without severely over nerfing Japanese workers stats or gimping their finances and capping their size there's not much to do other than try and contend with them as a player or use the editor.

 

Hope that all makes sense and feel free to ask any other questions here...…

https://discord.gg/evr94k where I'm far more active

 

Maybe you could cut popularity instead of stats and edit trends to reflect the favorability of MMA over wrestling?

[Genadi]

Maybe you could cut popularity instead of stats and edit trends to reflect the favorability of MMA over wrestling?

 

Yeah again this is something that I've already set up in game. Trends reflect exactly what you mention, Japan is set up so everything is set to Normal except Pure, Realism and Modern set to Popular and Hyper Realism set to Very Popular. Realism and Hyper Realism also have Stability set to Very Stable and Pure set to Stable. It's common for Japanese companies to boom but doesn't happen every sim.

 

It's important to note that even during their low periods NJPW and sometimes AJPW during this era were putting 20-30k in the Dome. In regards to cutting popularity, we've experimented with it and again just like cutting stats there comes a point it becomes unrealistic. There aren't a bunch of guys in Japan with way too much pop. It's not a simple mass edit, it's how TEW runs. I'd rather have NJPW sometimes become real global competition over long term games and sign some guys like Joe and RVD than nerf an entire region to the point it's unrealistic.

 

Edit - Region Restrictions and personal tweaks can be made before a game if you really wanted to avoid NJPW becoming global competition or Japan signing top American talent if you really wanted.

[Hashasheen]

Yeah again this is something that I've already set up in game. Trends reflect exactly what you mention, Japan is set up so everything is set to Normal except Pure, Realism and Modern set to Popular and Hyper Realism set to Very Popular. Realism and Hyper Realism also have Stability set to Very Stable and Pure set to Stable. It's common for Japanese companies to boom but doesn't happen every sim.

Actually, I would go further. I'd put everything at below average to reflect a general apathy to wrestling. Shoot Style was a dead movement by 2001, entirely eclipsed by MMA. I think I need to download some of the mods and play around with this and get back to you on the effects. Something favoring DG and DDT while shrinking the traditional bases of NOAH, AJPW and NJPW...

[Genadi]

Actually, I would go further. I'd put everything at below average to reflect a general apathy to wrestling. Shoot Style was a dead movement by 2001, entirely eclipsed by MMA. I think I need to download some of the mods and play around with this and get back to you on the effects. Something favoring DG and DDT while shrinking the traditional bases of NOAH, AJPW and NJPW...

 

Bad booking (feeding top stars to get KO'd in MMA), scandals and unexpected retirements or deaths are what hurt Japanese companies the most form 2001 to present. All of those things aren't guaranteed to happen in TEW, nor should they be.

 

I think you may slightly misunderstand how products work in TEW or fallen into the trap of "This is what happened in history so this is the only outcome that could've happened". Inoki booked the MMA crossover style terribly and NJPW suffered as a result, being the #1 company it had an obvious impact to other companies. Just because NJPW saw all but two of their top guys dominated in MMA doesn't mean it was always going to go that way. The product types were still popular, the stars lost their draw power as did the company however IMO in TEW terms that was far more a loss of momentum than popularity due to how both mechanics work in game. NJPW start with C- momentum. It's like saying because WCW were sold in 2001 and weren't drawing as big at the end that a product type like Traditional should be set to Unpopular, I strongly disagree for the same reasons. In TEW drawing those numbers even during a down period in a region paired with awful booking is enough hard evidence to show how big the market was for said product, not how little. Hyper Realism was Popular, Inoki and others tried to capitalise on it but they failed miserably. They shifted products and risked their biggest stars and millions of dollars because the product was popular and MMA was doing such huge business at the time. They brought in some of the biggest MMA stars for the same reason. That's also not to say that there wasn't still a market for the pure or traditional market of old, which is also represented.

 

Another way to look at it is say that CMLL had seen a big downturn in business at the same time as AAA did and as a result had seen the same drop in numbers. Does that mean that Lucha Libre should be set to Unpopular in Mexico? The answer is no IMO, it's bad booking, bad economy & industry, companies with low momentum and workers with low momentum etc etc. There are some markets like Japan and Mexico (and even the states) where certain products will always have a decent sized if not big market in TEW terms, no matter how bad the economy, industry, companies etc those fans turn out as history has shown. In short, just because companies don't capitalise (like WWF & Cult in the 90's) doesn't mean the product wasn't popular. In the grand scheme of things it's also not really a big factor in whether Japanese companies compete.

 

 

Edit - It sounds like you haven't even looked at the database let alone test it yet so I'd suggest doing that as you mentioned and if you have any suggestions to make that work on your end they're welcomed.

[Hashasheen]

It sounds like you haven't even looked at the database let alone test it yet so I'd suggest doing that as you mentioned and if you have any suggestions to make that work on your end they're welcomed.

I've played older versions mostly. 2016 has been a quiet game for me outside of CVERSE.

 

Some general thoughts:

 

If shoot style was legitimate still, then why were all the shoot feds beside BATTLARTS dead? Why was BATTLARTS nearly dead by 2001 and in need of a ZERO1 bailout? The majority of wrestling fans in Japan didn't care about MMA, and the brief influx of casuals and MMA fans into NJPW attendances wasn't a sustainable way to keep up the glory days attendances.

 

Big shows drew big attendances. No doubt, no doubt. The early 2000s were a period of dream matches matched only by the 1980s. Doesn't mean the dream match attendances were the standard, though. And it doesn't mean all those mega shows drew honest sellouts.

 

A lot of events come together in Japan by 2001 to create the wrestling apathy I reference. AJPW, FMW, NJPW and others all had their own issues. Fans were giving up, moving on or relating to combat sports in their own right. It took nearly a generation of fans to come up and two generations of stars on top for companies like NJPW to mount a come back.

 

AAA / CMLL were suffering from the peso crisis and resulting recession. There, business down purely on economic turns. Japan has had the same inflation rate for about twenty years. A yen today is a yen in 1997.

 

WCW dying meaning traditional dying. No, not really. But the Monday Night Wars were a unique period in wrestling. You don't go from ECW and WCW dying right during the cable television early years to ROH and TNA challenging the WWE. MMA, the War, the explosion of television options... wrestling became a niche product in the 2000s.

 

Like I said, I'm gonna play around with the database when I download it after work. What I think fits the time period certainly isn't what you as a creator think it does, and that's perfectly fine. I just think the scene was a lot grimmer pre-2006 than people credit.

[Hashasheen]

Actually, while I've got you here Genadi: Which mod would you say has the best British wrestling scene, pre-2010s? I've got a hankering to try something out in 1985 involving both ASWUK and JP that's a bit too long to go into detail here, but I also don't mind trying out some of the later mods in the 1990s or 2000s.