Genadi Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 I appreciate your thoughts mate and as always take them into consideration. Feedback and suggestions for change based on tests are always especially welcomed. We'll have to disagree on a few things like why companies like BATTLARTS died and why NJPW attendance waned but that's ok as long as you provide constructive feedback like you have and follow it up with tests and suggestions for change, if it helps the mod I'll make the edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genadi Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 Actually, while I've got you here Genadi: Which mod would you say has the best British wrestling scene, pre-2010s? I've got a hankering to try something out in 1985 involving both ASWUK and JP that's a bit too long to go into detail here, but I also don't mind trying out some of the later mods in the 1990s or 2000s. Tsu is the one to ask about the UK scene, he has done most of the work for Europe and UK in all of my mods for TEW and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I appreciate your thoughts mate and as always take them into consideration. Feedback and suggestions for change based on tests are always especially welcomed. We'll have to disagree on a few things like why companies like BATTLARTS died and why NJPW attendance waned but that's ok as long as you provide constructive feedback like you have and follow it up with tests and suggestions for change, if it helps the mod I'll make the edit After the way today's gone, I think I'll schedule testing for the weekend. Work's been a nightmare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Actually, while I've got you here Genadi: Which mod would you say has the best British wrestling scene, pre-2010s? I've got a hankering to try something out in 1985 involving both ASWUK and JP that's a bit too long to go into detail here, but I also don't mind trying out some of the later mods in the 1990s or 2000s. 85 is a great time for the UK as you have ASW on Screensport, Joint on ITV and even the BWF on S4C with Reslo. Satellite Wrestling was actually sourced out to ASW by a boxing promoter, sadly it didn't last long though did help ASW get a share of the World of Sport slot. If only Joint hadn't rejected SKY around 87, oh you Crabtrees. Later on, maybe something around 2001 as you had the FWA doing some great stuff and the scene was starting to bubble away again. Wrestlexpress could have destroyed things, but luckily it didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TsuMirren" data-cite="TsuMirren" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>85 is a great time for the UK as you have ASW on Screensport, Joint on ITV and even the BWF on S4C with Reslo. Satellite Wrestling was actually sourced out to ASW by a boxing promoter, sadly it didn't last long though did help ASW get a share of the World of Sport slot. If only Joint hadn't rejected SKY around 87, oh you Crabtrees.<p> </p><p> Later on, maybe something around 2001 as you had the FWA doing some great stuff and the scene was starting to bubble away again. Wrestlexpress could have destroyed things, but luckily it didn't.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Interesting. </p><p> </p><p> So, I was playing around with a very basic alternate history for British wrestling, where JP didn't get bought by William Hill (instead, some player character who rebrands it as BJP) and ASWUK kept the likes of Big Daddy and Klondyke Kate around their roster. So ASWUK leapt ahead of JP and was the big popular family friendly act, and JP was the old fashioned technical outfit. I didn't know much about BWF so I stuck with it just being the Welsh outfit. There was also some reworked stuff with the weight classes, dropping from 7 to 5.</p><p> </p><p> At the same time, I played around with the television scene to have the WOS programming block get bought in 1984 as the foundation for a new cable sports channel (replacing the Children's Channel), that would bring in both ASWUK and BJP with their own one hour shows. ASWUK would have "All Star Wrestling on World of Sport" and BJP would have "British Wrestling on World of Sport".</p><p> </p><p> My idea was to play either ASWUK or BJP in a battle to the death against the other promotion (and BWF I guess), a real clash of styles with ASWUK being more like the WWF and BJP veering more into NJPW/UWF style stuff. Went back and forth a bit on whether they'd both be minority owned by WOS (to keep them away from any other network like Sky...), but that's still to be debated. Figured I'd play it straight from 1985 to 2001 across multiple mods, porting stuff over as I went. And then I'd introduce new challengers as periods went by, with NWA UK Hammerlock, World Association of Wrestling and then of course Frontier Wrestling Alliance...</p><p> </p><p> Sounds a bit grandiose, I know. But I really wanted to try and fill in the dark periods of British wrestling, like I've seen some CVERSE dynasties do in Europe and the like. <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Interesting. <p> </p><p> So, I was playing around with a very basic alternate history for British wrestling, where JP didn't get bought by William Hill (instead, some player character who rebrands it as BJP) and ASWUK kept the likes of Big Daddy and Klondyke Kate around their roster. So ASWUK leapt ahead of JP and was the big popular family friendly act, and JP was the old fashioned technical outfit. I didn't know much about BWF so I stuck with it just being the Welsh outfit. There was also some reworked stuff with the weight classes, dropping from 7 to 5.</p><p> </p><p> At the same time, I played around with the television scene to have the WOS programming block get bought in 1984 as the foundation for a new cable sports channel (replacing the Children's Channel), that would bring in both ASWUK and BJP with their own one hour shows. ASWUK would have "All Star Wrestling on World of Sport" and BJP would have "British Wrestling on World of Sport".</p><p> </p><p> My idea was to play either ASWUK or BJP in a battle to the death against the other promotion (and BWF I guess), a real clash of styles with ASWUK being more like the WWF and BJP veering more into NJPW/UWF style stuff. Went back and forth a bit on whether they'd both be minority owned by WOS (to keep them away from any other network like Sky...), but that's still to be debated. Figured I'd play it straight from 1985 to 2001 across multiple mods, porting stuff over as I went. And then I'd introduce new challengers as periods went by, with NWA UK Hammerlock, World Association of Wrestling and then of course Frontier Wrestling Alliance...</p><p> </p><p> Sounds a bit grandiose, I know. But I really wanted to try and fill in the dark periods of British wrestling, like I've seen some CVERSE dynasties do in Europe and the like. <img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Now, you see Screensport was the new cable channel launched in 84 so you already have that. I can't see Max etc selling to anyone who'd take control, most they ever did was rebrand as RWS and get lucky with Davey Boy. Dixon also wouldn't work with Big Daddy as he'd lose half his roster and they'd take their belts with them. Most likely in 85 you'd have had Jackie Pallo and his promotion get some backing and then either BBC who'd had a satellite based joint venture fail in May 85 or Channel 4 give them TV time.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TsuMirren" data-cite="TsuMirren" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Now, you see Screensport was the new cable channel launched in 84 so you already have that. I can't see Max etc selling to anyone who'd take control, most they ever did was rebrand as RWS and get lucky with Davey Boy. Dixon also wouldn't work with Big Daddy as he'd lose half his roster and they'd take their belts with them. Most likely in 85 you'd have had Jackie Pallo and his promotion get some backing and then either BBC who'd had a satellite based joint venture fail in May 85 or Channel 4 give them TV time.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This would definitely require "rewriting" a lot of 70s details, no doubt about it.</p><p> </p><p> Wikipedia says that William Hill PLC bought JP in 1975, and they brought in Max and Shirley, so that's the first point of diversion I'd do. Jackie Pallo as the mind behind JP could work, though his IRL biography in 1985 could make things interesting. Was kayfabe a big deal during the period?</p><p> </p><p> Second is the mistake I made, which is that ASWUK invented Giant Haystacks, not Big Daddy. Big Daddy getting invented with ASWUK does work for me, especially before he becomes an ass with JP and drives everyone out. I think Dixon could have a firmer hand with him than Max. Of course, he'd probably wind up being a twat at some point...</p><p> </p><p> Screensports becoming World of Sports (yeah, I'm nuts about keeping the branding) works for me, especially given that by 1986 they weren't doing too brilliantly from the sound of it. </p><p> </p><p> Did you have any favorites from the period, who never really broke out elsewhere? I've watched a bit of Wayne Bridges and the like in shots they made for the UWF, where they came off like stars.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hashasheen" data-cite="Hashasheen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This would definitely require "rewriting" a lot of 70s details, no doubt about it.<p> </p><p> Wikipedia says that William Hill PLC bought JP in 1975, and they brought in Max and Shirley, so that's the first point of diversion I'd do. Jackie Pallo as the mind behind JP could work, though his IRL biography in 1985 could make things interesting. Was kayfabe a big deal during the period?</p><p> </p><p> Second is the mistake I made, which is that ASWUK invented Giant Haystacks, not Big Daddy. Big Daddy getting invented with ASWUK does work for me, especially before he becomes an ass with JP and drives everyone out. I think Dixon could have a firmer hand with him than Max. Of course, he'd probably wind up being a twat at some point...</p><p> </p><p> Screensports becoming World of Sports (yeah, I'm nuts about keeping the branding) works for me, especially given that by 1986 they weren't doing too brilliantly from the sound of it. </p><p> </p><p> Did you have any favorites from the period, who never really broke out elsewhere? I've watched a bit of Wayne Bridges and the like in shots they made for the UWF, where they came off like stars.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It was still being believed around the time of You Grunt, I'll Groan. Shirley really, genuinely, wouldn't have been anything without being Big Daddy and Dixon would never eeeeeeever have run with it. Being a Crabtree, he was evidently pushed and pushed and...well, you get the idea. It all gets messy if you use 75 as Joint was the controlling body for Dale Martin etc. If someone else other than the Crabtrees had been in control then Dixon may have never gone "national" in 84. 1981 is a good year for a diversion point, that's when Joint renewed the TV deal and Dixon/Pallo missed out.</p><p> </p><p> Favourites...Johnny Saint, The Rockers (though Tommy Lorne died in a car crash), Keith Haward and Alan Kilby. No doubt others, but I'd need to get my head round the time. Marty Jones too, Skull Murphy.</p><p> </p><p> Another interesting possible, which I toyed with in a diary. What if the NWA had came to the UK? Where would their tv have been? UK only had 3 channels until 82, plus UK fans had been trained to believe American all in wrestling was inferior. Channel 4 showed NFL from 82 on, so Americana was in the public eye.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashasheen Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TsuMirren" data-cite="TsuMirren" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was still being believed around the time of You Grunt, I'll Groan. Shirley really, genuinely, wouldn't have been anything without being Big Daddy and Dixon would never eeeeeeever have run with it. Being a Crabtree, he was evidently pushed and pushed and...well, you get the idea. It all gets messy if you use 75 as Joint was the controlling body for Dale Martin etc. If someone else other than the Crabtrees had been in control then Dixon may have never gone "national" in 84. 1981 is a good year for a diversion point, that's when Joint renewed the TV deal and Dixon/Pallo missed out.</div></blockquote> Does sound a bit messy, yeah. Though telling someone in the 1960s that the Crabtree brothers were going to destroy the most powerful monopoly in wrestling would probably surprise them. I think I'll have to stick with it, if only for a lack of recognition for wrestlers who could have filled the family friendly role with ease. <p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Favourites...Johnny Saint, The Rockers (though Tommy Lorne died in a car crash), Keith Haward and Alan Kilby. No doubt others, but I'd need to get my head round the time. Marty Jones too, Skull Murphy.</div></blockquote> The Rockers...? Assuming not Marty and Shawn here. <p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Another interesting possible, which I toyed with in a diary. What if the NWA had came to the UK? Where would their tv have been? UK only had 3 channels until 82, plus UK fans had been trained to believe American all in wrestling was inferior. Channel 4 showed NFL from 82 on, so Americana was in the public eye.</p></div></blockquote> Maybe Jim Barnett goes to crack open the British Isles with the NWA after selling his Georgia stake to Vince? He had ties with everyone, so maybe he decides to try getting in there instead of fighting Vince on his own ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aatu_Ray Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 <p>How's it going?</p><p> </p><p> So i was just wandering how ready the 2011 mod is and what is it still missing?<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi95 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Someone tell me why XWF still not open? (I am playing with 2001 Death of WCW mod) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="adi95" data-cite="adi95" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Someone tell me why XWF still not open? (I am playing with 2001 Death of WCW mod)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Because it didn't open until later in 2001. Pretty sure the mod starts in May and XWF opened later in the year (October/November was it?).</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: If you mean why has it not opened because you have gone past that date, Jimmy Hart has to be available to open the promotion. If he isn't then the promotion won't open because he is set as Mandatory founder.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi95 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Exactly, XWF didn't open in october 2001. Another federations like WWA, TNA, etc have been opened. (Acutal date in my game: May 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapa42 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="adi95" data-cite="adi95" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Exactly, XWF didn't open in october 2001. Another federations like WWA, TNA, etc have been opened. (Acutal date in my game: May 2002)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Fleish nailed the most likely reason - if a company is set to open with a mandatory owner, that owner has to be available. If they are signed exclusively somewhere else, they can't and the company won't happen. THe same thing can happen with NWA-TNA if Jerry Jarrett is under a Written deal with the WWE or somewhere.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi95 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Jimmy Hart is under a PPA contracts with two federations (DDT, WXW) if it could be a reason why XWF still not open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerglenn Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> EDIT: If you mean why has it not opened because you have gone past that date, Jimmy Hart has to be available to open the promotion. If he isn't then the promotion won't open because he is set as Mandatory founder.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've brought this issue to Adam in the past. If a Mandatory owner is not available when the promotion is set to open, that promotion will never open. I've suggested that at the start of each month, the game do a quick check to see if that owner is available to open the promotion.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarslArts Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 <p>I just wanted to let you Mod Squad guys know that I'm so much looking forward to the next mod! Any updates?</p><p> Keep up the good work!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejus Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MarslArts" data-cite="MarslArts" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just wanted to let you Mod Squad guys know that I'm so much looking forward to the next mod! Any updates?<p> Keep up the good work!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Glad to see people are still so excited for the mods that are upcoming! Unfortunately the only update is that things are being worked on. But thanks for your support! Probably a few pages back or so, Genadi posted a link to our discord chat, which is the best place to get updates and also talk to all of us more directly.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossface Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 <p>Hey guys, I love the 1987 mod. I was holding off on posting this until I finished getting Wrestlemania up in my diary, but you should know I ran into this:</p><p> </p><p> <img alt="LgEWYlz.jpg" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/LgEWYlz.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> You guys may want to alter his personality so he agrees to the haircut. I obviously altered it in my game, but I figured I'd give you a heads up.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordofGustav Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Crossface" data-cite="Crossface" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey guys, I love the 1987 mod. I was holding off on posting this until I finished getting Wrestlemania up in my diary, but you should know I ran into this:<p> </p><p> <img alt="LgEWYlz.jpg" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/LgEWYlz.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> You guys may want to alter his personality so he agrees to the haircut. I obviously altered it in my game, but I figured I'd give you a heads up.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I approve it. Once this happened to me.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 <p>Hi guys,</p><p> </p><p> Perhaps a silly question, but I've installed all the mods and almost none of the pictures are associating with wrestlers/companies. Is this something I need to manually assign myself?</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: Was indeed a silly question and have found the answer myself, disregard <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathZone2 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Crossface" data-cite="Crossface" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hey guys, I love the 1987 mod. I was holding off on posting this until I finished getting Wrestlemania up in my diary, but you should know I ran into this:<p> </p><p> <img alt="LgEWYlz.jpg" data-src="https://i.imgur.com/LgEWYlz.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> You guys may want to alter his personality so he agrees to the haircut. I obviously altered it in my game, but I figured I'd give you a heads up.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What personality stats are needed so that hell do it?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejus Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 It's in the liberal/conservative slider. Put it all the way to liberal and he should let you cut his hair. I ran into it in my own 1987 game and got it pushed through by doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sef4 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Any news regarding the Summer of Punk mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerglenn Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Sef4" data-cite="Sef4" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Any news regarding the Summer of Punk mod?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As Beej posted a few posts back</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Beejus" data-cite="Beejus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41430" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Glad to see people are still so excited for the mods that are upcoming! Unfortunately the only update is that things are being worked on. But thanks for your support! Probably a few pages back or so, Genadi posted a link to our discord chat, which is the best place to get updates and also talk to all of us more directly.</div></blockquote> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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