mikeyfish Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 With the taped tv show add ons with the most recent patch, can someone please tell me which real world shows are taped and which days they air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoolestjedi12 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 With the taped tv show add ons with the most recent patch, can someone please tell me which real world shows are taped and which days they air. Smackdown is taped on Tuesday and shown on Thursdays on USA network, but its going live soon, don't know much about NJPW show other than you can see it on their subscription site as well as on tv. I think ROH tapes on Thursdays and it is shown on Saturdays. Thats all I got so far, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redennis Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Fun fact: live tapings get higher ratings then pre-taped shows! That is an realistic effect, dont know if the 2013 version had the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 ROH usually tapes on Saturdays, NXT Tursdays, NJPW just uses tour footage (highlight shows removed from 2016), TNA is generally multiple days in succession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Fun fact: live tapings get higher ratings then pre-taped shows! That is an realistic effect, dont know if the 2013 version had the same... Except there is no evidence that any of their tv shows get higher ratings being live or because its live. The only show they run live is Raw which happens to be their biggest show. When Raw is on delay or taped their ratings usually aren't any different except for on holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhenomenalPat Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Except there is no evidence that any of their tv shows get higher ratings being live or because its live. The only show they run live is Raw which happens to be their biggest show. When Raw is on delay or taped their ratings usually aren't any different except for on holidays. I could be wrong, but I think he meant in the game. Meaning having your show taped will result in lower ratings than having the same show live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbicus Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I could be wrong, but I think he meant in the game. Meaning having your show taped will result in lower ratings than having the same show live. It says right out that a taped show will result in a 40% reduction of viewership than would a live show, while an event will have an 80% reduction of viewership. Personally I think those penalties should be made to be mod specific (every tv show was taped in the 80s/early 90s save for the occasional special live event like Clash or SNME) or that you have the ability of turning them off or something, but this is still better than nothing for simulation purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I could be wrong, but I think he meant in the game. Meaning having your show taped will result in lower ratings than having the same show live. I was more talking about the "realistic effort" part. When as others have mentioned everything was taped in the 80's and in the 90's some of the biggest shows ever were taped shows. Current day product its hard to say since the biggest show by the biggest promotion is virtually the only live pro wrestling show. Most of the time the only way Raw is taped anymore is if its a holiday episode and even the delayed shows don't have any sort of noticeable ratings drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Where does it lay out those parameters for viewership loss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redennis Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PhenomenalPat" data-cite="PhenomenalPat" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I could be wrong, but I think he meant in the game. Meaning having your show taped will result in lower ratings than having the same show live.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> sorry had to be more specific I guess, but yeah <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> in-game!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwhippy Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Where does it lay out those parameters for viewership loss?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm sure someone said a 40% hit on TV viewers and 80% for PPV.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbicus Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Where does it lay out those parameters for viewership loss?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In the editor when you set up a TV show, there's a box for when it is held and when it airs. There's a help box next to the drop-down menu for when it airs that explains the penalties.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieFnG Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Redennis" data-cite="Redennis" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fun fact: live tapings get higher ratings then pre-taped shows! <p> That is an realistic effect, dont know if the 2013 version had the same...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It goes back to at least 2008, 'cause I used to always switch SD tapings to Friday. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I'd like to know what the drawbacks are for going live. Because as it's laid out in the editor, there's only advantages involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeemuFoundation Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 There are drawbacks for going live. In-game, there's no literally no reason to tape shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd like to know what the drawbacks are for going live. Because as it's laid out in the editor, there's only advantages involved.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It seems like the penalties are rather punitive as well.</p><p> </p><p> 40% hit on tv? 80% on events? Ouch lol.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieFnG Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="justtxyank" data-cite="justtxyank" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It seems like the penalties are rather punitive as well.<p> </p><p> 40% hit on tv? 80% on events? Ouch lol.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why would you pay for an event that's already been taped?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbicus Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="EddieFnG" data-cite="EddieFnG" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why would you pay for an event that's already been taped?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> From a historical perspective, it's not like you'd know that. I can see a slight penalty for now, given internet spoilers, but back then I sincerely doubt that would be as steep as it is here.</p><p> </p><p> I think it should be adjustable: either completely based on the modder's intentions or maybe with a greater penalty in the geographic area in which the show was held (ie, if I held a show in Madison Square Garden then the ratings in the Tri-State region would be subdued, but not necessarily in the Northwest region, etc.) I don't know if that's really even possible, I kind of doubt it given that they were a patched addition as opposed to an in-box feature, but it's something to think about I guess.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="EddieFnG" data-cite="EddieFnG" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why would you pay for an event that's already been taped?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't. </p><p> </p><p> But 80%?</p><p> </p><p> Summerslam 92 aired on tape delay in the United States by like 2 days and it was 1.5 vs 2.7 the previous year (drop of 44%) but was actually higher than the next year of 1.3. </p><p> </p><p> There's definitely an internet/no internet factor at play as well. </p><p> </p><p> 80% seems extremely harsh. It may be impossible to simulate in TEW, but as it is currently you'd be absolutely stupid, I mean literally you'd have to be stupid, to show on tape delay but that belies the reality that in real life event producers (not just wrestling) have debated between live and taped for decades. It's a risk-reward for sure. Tape offers post-production control, live offers "live" bonus, but no amount of post-production control could overcome the loss of nearly 80% of your audience.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungner Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hive" data-cite="Hive" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd like to know what the drawbacks are for going live. Because as it's laid out in the editor, there's only advantages involved.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In-game, there are no drawbacks for going live at all. In real life, it would be stuff like bloopers and other stuff you could edit out, but that's not reflected in the game. So even though it has been added, there are (as Teemu said) absolutely no reason for taping your shows and airing them later.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gungner" data-cite="Gungner" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In-game, there are no drawbacks for going live at all. In real life, it would be stuff like bloopers and other stuff you could edit out, but that's not reflected in the game. So even though it has been added, there are (as Teemu said) absolutely no reason for taping your shows and airing them later.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Also real life costs would be higher.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Templar Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 <p>It's an immersion thing, which was the argument all along. For example, I'm running six shows (I started out as WCW and bought out WWF in 2001...long story) with two of them live and the other four taped (now).</p><p> </p><p> I can understand the concept of penalizing those who tape shows due to spoiler issues. It's also been the conventional wisdom that a taped show performs more poorly in the ratings as compared to a live show. However, there's little evidence that the conventional wisdom is actually true. Raw gets about the same ratings when it's taped as when it's live. Smackdown's last live broadcast had a lower rating than its normal taped broadcasts (likely because it wasn't being shown at its usual time).</p><p> </p><p> I do think the penalties are a little steep, particularly as it regards historical mods (when we don't have a lot of real live vs. taped data due to the fact that almost all shows in that era were taped for later broadcast). It would be nice if the penalties were either adjustable or reduced or we had the option of turning the penalty off entirely (like we can turn just about every other penalty off as an option).</p><p> </p><p> Meanwhile, I'm just going to keep running my shows the way I run them. If my ratings are penalized, then they're penalized. I'm not worried.</p><p> </p><p> St.T</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejus Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Honestly, all I'm really worried about on it is being able to have tapings for being able to move my B shows around, and being able to save money in arena selection by stacking my B-show along with my A-show. If I can do that, then I'm okay with the 40% decline - after all, since in the 80s/early 90s all shows were taped, then it should factor into everyone and thereby cause it to seem like the norm. I would prefer it to be elaborated into with things like cost and production reasons being more of a plus and minus to it, but if we don't get things like that, then I guess it either couldn't be accomplished in code or we just aren't able to have such lofty ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbicus Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 My next diary will be set in 98, so I'll probably just make Raw live to match Nitro, while the B-shows will stay taped during the week (since they aren't really direct competition.) The only one it will really affect too much is ECW, wherein a lot of the indy guys aren't available on the weekends for tapings, so it makes sense to move stuff around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleisch Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 So how does this affect shows that are on Demand? How about shows shown on different days on different networks? People say it's "Immersion" as to why they asked for this to be added but yet you can't have a show on one day on one network, and then on a different day on a different network like you can in real life so to me, tapings are pointless. Also, do I keep TNA as live? I mean technically they tape a load of shows at once but this cannot be done in game (would actually give a point to having taped shows if you could do this). How about Lucha Underground and NXT? All the shows that are On Demand on various promotions streaming service? Any light that could be shed on this (or pointed somewhere that explains it) would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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