Taped TV Shows

[jean-vic]

This feature will be great for mods like Ruthless Aggression and early MA because the taped shows suffered due to their competition being live. Raw lost ratings when they were taped, though not always, because WCW gave their results away (sometimes to their detriment), and I truly believe that TNA struggled to grow to its full potential prior to 2009 because their shows were being outed on the internet weeks in advance. So, it has its benefits. However, when we start hitting New Generation, Golden Age and Territory days, it's more of a problem because everything was taped. One thing that will be more realistic because of tape delay will be the advertising revenue. If this is at all linked to viewership, it would be very realistic for promotions to make more money from ticket sales rather than TV.

[St. Templar]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So how does this affect shows that are on Demand? How about shows shown on different days on different networks? People say it's "Immersion" as to why they asked for this to be added but yet you can't have a show on one day on one network, and then on a different day on a different network like you can in real life so to me, tapings are pointless.<p> </p><p> Also, do I keep TNA as live? I mean technically they tape a load of shows at once but this cannot be done in game (would actually give a point to having taped shows if you could do this). How about Lucha Underground and NXT? All the shows that are On Demand on various promotions streaming service? Any light that could be shed on this (or pointed somewhere that explains it) would be great.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In fairness, it seemed like there were a lot of people asking for the ability to schedule a big chunk of TV tapings at a time (a la what TNA, NXT, LU, etc., do). The biggest gripe in the immediacy of the game release was that we'd lost weekly TV tapings completely. Getting them back is a big step in the right direction even if it's not the full step a lot of people were asking for.</p><p> </p><p> From a computer programming standpoint, I don't know how possible it would be to schedule one site over the course of a week or two for six months of television tapings. Although, for historical mods, this would be a way to set up WCW's infamous "Disney Tapings" also.</p><p> </p><p> As to what you should do with TNA, well, that comes down to your mental/planning/fantasy process. From the standpoint of my own planning and game execution prior to this update, I held Superstars and Raw on Monday, Saturday Night and Nitro on Tuesdays and Smackdown and Thunder on Wednesdays. In my promo writing, planning, etc., I just imagined that Smackdown, Thunder, Superstars, adn Saturday Night were taking place on other nights (so, when I wrote a promo for Smackdown, I wrote it as though it were being delivered on a Thursday, just as WWE's writers do today). But, that was just me.</p><p> </p><p> St.T</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Although, for historical mods, this would be a way to set up WCW's infamous "Disney Tapings" also.</div></blockquote><p> And for full immersion, we should be able to do them completely out of order, confusing the audience, making it an absolute, convoluted mess. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Andylion]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And for full immersion, we should be able to do them completely out of order, confusing the audience, making it an absolute, convoluted mess. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> TNA! TNA! T...N...wait...</p>

[Beejus]

I think the most we should be able to tape a night is two episodes of the same show. But I also am understanding of Adam and him saying that we can't have negative title reigns. So I'm willing to kinda let that slide, so long as we at least can have TV tapings like we did before, which was a good system that just needed a few more realism tweaks put into it such as cost, etc.

[TeemuFoundation]

How would title reigns be negative?

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>How would title reigns be negative?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Because a title's lineage gets messed up when it happens on taped shows in theory. In reality, when someone wins a title and the show doesn't air for a few days, the title change is generally ignored until it airs.</p><p> </p><p> You can't do that in tew.</p>

[Daylyt]

<p>How does it work now that it has been added in?</p><p>

Does the title lineage show the new champs date as the day the show was taped or the day the show was aired?</p><p>

Haven't had a chance to test it myself yet.</p>

[Gungner]

The day the show was taped.

[Mattywood]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Because a title's lineage gets messed up when it happens on taped shows in theory. In reality, when someone wins a title and the show doesn't air for a few days, the title change is generally ignored until it airs.<p> </p><p> You can't do that in tew.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> A real world example of this would be in WCW in February 1991. They did a taping for WCW Power Hour where the Steiners beat the Freebirds for the WCW Tag Team Titles... but the Freebirds weren't champions yet. It was an episode of Power Hour taped before WrestleWar '91, but wasn't scheduled to air until after WrestleWar, where the Freebirds beat Doom for the titles.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<p>I feel so dumb, but I still don't quite understand. I can book the WrestleMania IX ending in TEW, where Hogan beats Yokozuna for the title after Yokozuna wins it from Bret. Yokozuna doesn't have to be the champion in order for me to book the title change.</p><p> </p><p>

Wouldn't this be the same thing? The game warns me that the champion is not currently present, but I can still book it.</p>

[Genadi]

<p>My unhappiness with this feature in '16 has refrained me from posting on it <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

I wanted '16 to be an expansion and improvement on the broadcaster system not a step backwards. Taped shows played a huge role in wrestling and still do. Some companies benefit from it some don't, I think a blanket penalty is silly. For a good part of '97 & '98 RAW was live one week and taped the second, in doing so it didn't lose a huge chunk of its viewership every other week.</p><p> </p><p>

I wanted to see things like tape more then one show introduced. I can think of a few shows that benefit from a taped format. Lucha Underground is the first that comes to mind, it would be a very different TV show if they aired live and not necessarily better.</p><p> </p><p>

It seems we've gone the direction of WMMA which I don't like, while similar in some aspects wrestling and MMA are very different especially when it comes to TV.</p>

[D16NJD16]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My unhappiness with this feature in '16 has refrained me from posting on it <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> I wanted '16 to be an expansion and improvement on the broadcaster system not a step backwards. Taped shows played a huge role in wrestling and still do. Some companies benefit from it some don't, I think a blanket penalty is silly. For a good part of '97 & '98 RAW was live one week and taped the second, in doing so it didn't lose a huge chunk of its viewership every other week.</p><p> </p><p> I wanted to see things like tape more then one show introduced. I can think of a few shows that benefit from a taped format. Lucha Underground is the first that comes to mind, it would be a very different TV show if they aired live and not necessarily better.</p><p> </p><p> It seems we've gone the direction of WMMA which I don't like, while similar in some aspects wrestling and MMA are very different especially when it comes to TV.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It was botched for sure, but at least it got crowbared back in via patch in some form right?</p>

[soxfan93]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I feel so dumb, but I still don't quite understand. I can book the WrestleMania IX ending in TEW, where Hogan beats Yokozuna for the title after Yokozuna wins it from Bret. Yokozuna doesn't have to be the champion in order for me to book the title change.<p> </p><p> Wouldn't this be the same thing? The game warns me that the champion is not currently present, but I can still book it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I want to answer you, but I don't understand how lol. It's such a hard concept to wrap the brain around, even if you do get it, you don't get it.</p><p> </p><p> Technically, Bret lost to Yoko, Yoko lost to Hogan. Same with MITB. The order is correct, and the lineage will reflect that, with Yokozuna holding the title for "<1 day".</p><p> </p><p> But WCW... they had champions losing titles <em>before winning them.</em> On television, Doom lost the belts to the Freebirds, who lost the titles to the Steiners. But the actual taping schedule resulted in the Freebirds losing the titles to the Steiners a week before they won them from Doom at WrestleWar.</p><p> </p><p> So the difference between the day they won them and the day they lost them is -6.</p>

[D16NJD16]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="soxfan93" data-cite="soxfan93" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> But WCW... they had champions losing titles <em>before winning them.</em> On television, Doom lost the belts to the Freebirds, who lost the titles to the Steiners. But the actual taping schedule resulted in the Freebirds losing the titles to the Steiners a week before they won them from Doom at WrestleWar.</p><p> </p><p> So the difference between the day they won them and the day they lost them is -6.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's a level of 'realism' I just dont need in TEW, personally.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<p>Oh, I know, I know. I'm familiar with WCW around that timeframe.</p><p> </p><p>

I meant from a programming standpoint, since we can now already book a match for the title before the one dropping the belt is the champion.</p><p> </p><p>

I can book Yokozuna to <em>drop</em> the WWF title which he does not have.</p><p> </p><p>

I'm pretty sure I can book Superstars before RAW, or the other way around, and have Koko B. Ware win the WWF title on Superstars, then book RAW, and book a WWF title match where Koko drops the belt to Barry Horowitz, eventhough Koko is not the WWF champion until I actually run the shows. The shows happen, the game recognizes Koko as the WWF champion by the time the RAW match happens, and there you go.</p><p> </p><p>

Obviously, we would tape stuff in order in TEW, purely for the sake of making sense.</p><p> </p><p>

If we can do this while taping two shows a night, why not three-four?</p><p> </p><p>

Sorry if I'm being an idiot. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[TsuMirren]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="D16NJD16" data-cite="D16NJD16" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's a level of 'realism' I just dont need in TEW, personally.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It can obviously be avoided, but taping a block to spread across a month would be nice.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<p>Personally, I would want/do want the ability to book a months worth of TV shows in one setting purely for the ease and quickness of gameplay. It's not so much the realism, cutting costs or a strategic gameplay thing. It'd just save time and clicks to book, say, four RAWs in one sitting, and then multi advance to the PPV. It'd be easier to keep track of storylines and the flow of booking.</p><p> </p><p>

I wouldn't mind if we had all the same venue rental costs and all that like we have now.</p><p> </p><p>

It'd just be a click reduction thing for me.</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="D16NJD16" data-cite="D16NJD16" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was botched for sure, but at least it got crowbared back in via patch in some form right?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In my opinion no. It's worse then it was before.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Genadi" data-cite="Genadi" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In my opinion no. It's worse then it was before.</div></blockquote><p> I find that a tad unfair. Adam added in a feature that people asked for after he already their money.</p><p> </p><p> He could have saved that as a selling point for a future TEW.</p>

[D16NJD16]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Personally, I would want/do want the ability to book a months worth of TV shows in one setting purely for the ease and quickness of gameplay. It's not so much the realism, cutting costs or a strategic gameplay thing. It'd just save time and clicks to book, say, four RAWs in one sitting, and then multi advance to the PPV. It'd be easier to keep track of storylines and the flow of booking.<p> </p><p> I wouldn't mind if we had all the same venue rental costs and all that like we have now.</p><p> </p><p> It'd just be a click reduction thing for me.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I like that idea alot</p>

[TsuMirren]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I find that a tad unfair. Adam added in a feature that people asked for after he already their money.<p> </p><p> He could have saved that as a selling point for a future TEW.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> But he'd REEEEEEEEEEMOVED IT!</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I find that a tad unfair. Adam added in a feature that people asked for after he already their money.<p> </p><p> He could have saved that as a selling point for a future TEW.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I didn't say I don't appreciate the gesture <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I said IMO the feature that has been patched in has made the whole system worse then it was before. I stated reasons and RW examples as to why <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Taped shows aren't a new feature that can be a selling point for the future, it's a feature that was in '13 and taken out in '16, then kind of repatched in but not even as good as it was in '13. That's going backwards.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Edit - Just to add I understand some new or changed features will be hit and miss. But if they're miss I think it's fair to point it out. The way taped shows work now in TEW16 is a miss.</p>

[TeemuFoundation]

<p>Personally, I find it better now than it was in 2013.</p><p> </p><p>

Advertisers in real life value live shows a lot more than taped shows because, the theory is, people are more likely to suffer through ads than they would be during a taped show.</p><p> </p><p>

TEW 2016 simulates this now with you getting less money from a taped show than you would for a live show, should you choose to tape your shows.</p><p> </p><p>

I don't find the 40% too steep even, but I guess there are stats and numbers that someone could look up. I'm not going to, though.</p>

[Genadi]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41972" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Personally, I find it better now than it was in 2013.<p> </p><p> Advertisers in real life value live shows a lot more than taped shows because, the theory is, people are more likely to suffer through ads than they would be during a taped show.</p><p> </p><p> TEW 2016 simulates this now with you getting less money from a taped show than you would for a live show, should you choose to tape your shows.</p><p> </p><p> I don't find the 40% too steep even, but I guess there are stats and numbers that someone could look up. I'm not going to, though.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In most cases of taped shows being taped in batches of 2-4 it was done so mainly because it <em>was </em>cheaper. </p><p> </p><p> 40% is definitely too steep, it's a blanket number. Live TV and the effects it brings has changed over the years. The vast majority of wrestling shows that have ever taken place were prerecorded. SD beat RAW in viewership (not rating number because cable), while it was still mostly treated as the B Show and it's the same company both show/brands belong to. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>